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UPDATED: Salary Negotiating Advice Needed

Reel

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I am finishing my masters degree in computer engineering and nearing the end of my job search. I have three offers on the table.

The first offer is my first choice and would be a computer security consulting position with a large well-known firm. It would be located in Atlanta, GA. It requires extensive travel (~50%) and is an unpaid OT position. The average age at the company looks to be about 28. On the plus side, it means I have many people my age to socialize with. On the other hand, it means that unless you are the cream of the crop you can't expect to stay with the company for more than about 5-10 years until you hit the glass ceiling.

The other two offers are more along the lines of software engineering positions.

One of them is a large name company that is well-known but I found my experience with them to be that they are perhaps too large and there is a lot of inefficiency and clumsiness in their process. They are my last choice company.

The other offer is a medium sized company that performs a similar function as the larger company but they are less well-known. I found the people to be enthusiastic and knowledgeable. They are very process-oriented and I went in expecting to dislike them and found myself really liking the prospect of working there when I was done. They have rare but paid OT opportunities and seem like a more mature company age-wise. There seems to be a lot of room for vertical advancement.

My top two choices are now the consulting position and the medium-sized software engineering position. The salary in the engineering position will be 9k more than the consulting position. To top it off, the engineering position is in Melbourne, Florida with a slightly lower cost of living than Atlanta and no state income tax. The Melbourne company offers a full relocation package including packing + travel expenses and 1200 more in the signing bonus. Also, I can start at level 2 instead of level 1 and get 6 month salary reviews instead of annual which are both nice perks.

If these two companies were on an even level in my head, the choice would be clear. However, I would rather work the consulting position especially if I can get the salary negotiated to the higher level. While money isn't everything and all of these positions would allow me to live comfortably and save money toward retirement and the eventual purchase of a house, the more I make, the more I can save and the sooner I can buy my own house. The year-to-year benefits are fairly similar between the companies.

How do I go to the consulting position and request more money? They knew that I was doing these other two interviews and that I would get back in touch with them after I had considered all my offers. My considered strategy is to lay it out on the table and say: "I really like your company and it is my first choice to work there but I have other offers that are significantly higher and include a full relocation package. I would love to work for your company but right now the difference in salary is too great for me to pass up these other offers."

Cliffs: see the bolded section above.
 
1) Make sure that the other offers are in hand.

2) If you have only had the offer from the consultant and no futher negotations, then just tell them the unvarnished truth. You have other offers that are higher in salary and you would like to know if they wish to revise their offer. Remember that travel expenses can add to your bottom line (depending on how structured) without affecting the taxes.

However, from your concerns about the age and OT in the consulting position, the company in Melbourne sounds like the better choice anyhow.
 
Keep in mind that money is not everything. It simply may not be possible for the consulting company to come up to your salary expectations. Giving you $20k more may throw thier entire salary structure into turmoil. It would likely be easier for them to sweeten the pot with one time expense items such as your moving costs.

Bottom line is that it is likely there will still be a difference in packages, and you will have to assess how much less you are willing to accept to take the position you really prefer.
 
Don't worry. I am not proceeding until I have the offers. I am just fairly confident that I will receive the offer and confident that the value will be higher.

Travel in the consulting company is paid by a corporate charge card so you get to live well on the company tab while not paying for some expenses at home but it isn't like a per diem where you can pocket the extra money.

I understand that money isn't everything and I am trying to consider which will guide my career into a better spot in 5-10 years when I will most likely be looking for a new company. I think that they are different paths. The consulting job will likely put me into an executive/management type track while the engineering position would pretty much allow only for jumping to other similar positions. I think that either one will look good to a potential employer.

I also understand that it is easier for them to give one-time incentives instead of a salary bump. Another alternative that I had considered was to request that we outline a list of objective goals that if I met them, then I could be guaranteed promoted to level 2 at the first review which would make the deal a lot sweeter and keep it within their salary bounds.

Let's face it though. I think that both companies will be a solid career and I won't be left in the cold. Whichever way I go will probably be good in the long run. I could probably even jump from one path to another later on though engineering -> consulting is probably easier because of the less technical nature in the consulting job.
 
Either company you pick, I am envious. :evil:

Based on what I know about the companies you have to choose from, from other discussions we've had about this, I think you're going to be well compensated regardless of which one you choose. It also sounds like this will be your first official security oriented job, correct me if I'm wrong. So my choice would be based on A. which job can get you the most experience B. which company will look best on your resume C. which area would you like to live in and most importantly D. will you be happy (positive atmosphere, appreciated, challenging) working there?
 
Ok. I have received verbal offers from both the companies I was waiting on and I am planning on calling the first choice company tomorrow morning since I didn't get the last one until after 6pm. Any more advice?
 
Congrats on getting some good offers! My advice would be to take the job that offers you the best opportunity to learn skills that will be useful down the road, regardless of where you work. Organization skills, leadership skills, management skills, that kind of stuff. Don't worry about the details now, those will all sort themselves out. I've found that something that can be really good is to talk to the person you'd be working for and discuss their strategy for developing employees and their skills.

I wouldn't really worry about the money, but you could go back to the company and ask if they would be willing to bump their offer a little to be in the same range as the other offers. Make it clear that you want to work for them but that the current difference makes it a difficult decision. Perhaps some extra paid vacation time as a perk?
 
Be firm but fair with your requests, and don't issue ultimatums. The same way that you have two or more offers, these companies will have a number of candidates for the positions and if you try to force the issue they may find it easier to go to their second choice.
 
Originally posted by: D1gger
Be firm but fair with your requests, and don't issue ultimatums. The same way that you have two or more offers, these companies will have a number of candidates for the positions and if you try to force the issue they may find it easier to go to their second choice.

Well, I spoke with the guy in charge of my offer this morning. He gave me apples + oranges as his reason why he wouldn't raise the salary and then gave me some generic horror story about "industry". My subsequent conversations with the other company after confirmed that they were merely horror stories and not the truth. He didn't offer any counter or anything at all really. It left a really sour taste how inflexible they were. I tried to get him to at least give me a relocation package because I know they do it for experienced hires and current employees moving within the company. He didn't know if it was possible to even put my signing bonus toward the relocation package (better for me in taxation and having the company handle details). He claimed he would call me back this afternoon after he spoke with HR. I have not had a call and it is after 5 pm so I am really disappointed. I may be going with the engineering company after all.
 
I tried negotiating a job offer I received for consulting. I took another offer I had, plugged in into salary.com's cost of living calculator, and saw that the offer I had for Arizona was equal to $xx,xxx in NYC so I said that as a starting point. They responded back and told me, tough luck, i didnt have to live in an expensive city (I have the option where I want to live....some are expensive(NYC, san fran), and some are cheap (Tulsa, OK, Dallas, TX). I accepted the offer anyways, it was exactly what I wanted to do and I didnt really want to live in AZ anyways.

 
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Melbourne Florida... Computer Engineering... Working in software... The engineering company isn't GE by any chance is it?

Nope. There's like 5 similar companies in the area.
 
Originally posted by: Reel
Originally posted by: RaynorWolfcastle
Melbourne Florida... Computer Engineering... Working in software... The engineering company isn't GE by any chance is it?

Nope. There's like 5 similar companies in the area.

Rockwell?
 
Originally posted by: Reel
Originally posted by: D1gger
Be firm but fair with your requests, and don't issue ultimatums. The same way that you have two or more offers, these companies will have a number of candidates for the positions and if you try to force the issue they may find it easier to go to their second choice.

Well, I spoke with the guy in charge of my offer this morning. He gave me apples + oranges as his reason why he wouldn't raise the salary and then gave me some generic horror story about "industry". My subsequent conversations with the other company after confirmed that they were merely horror stories and not the truth. He didn't offer any counter or anything at all really. It left a really sour taste how inflexible they were. I tried to get him to at least give me a relocation package because I know they do it for experienced hires and current employees moving within the company. He didn't know if it was possible to even put my signing bonus toward the relocation package (better for me in taxation and having the company handle details). He claimed he would call me back this afternoon after he spoke with HR. I have not had a call and it is after 5 pm so I am really disappointed. I may be going with the engineering company after all.

They might have a need for someone like you for a position, but for everyone who doesn't work for $XXK a year, you'll find 10 people who will. It's hardly inflexible on their part to not budge. It's a game of hardball. Don't take it personally - it's just business, go with the other position.
 
As a suggestion from an old-timer, I would consider your first job after your master's as a learning experience where you are paying your dues. Computer security will look much better on your resume in three years. And don't plan on staying more than three years. The big salary jumps come from job changing.
 
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