UPDATED: My Athlon's thermal diode is on the fritz! (It's okay now)

imported_Phil

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Okay, so yesterday I installed my PC into a new case (Jeantech "Trinity") with an Cooler Master CoolDrive 4 (Aerogate II fan controller + hard drive bay), and I think the CPU's internal temperature sensor is acting weird.

The CoolDrive is set to knock all the fans up to maximum speed if the CPU or VGA sensors hits 65C, and if the case/HD sensors hit 55C. So, I thought I'd test it (Note to self: stop stress-testing everything).

Crank all the fans down to minimum, Prime95 the beast. 63C shows on the display, and the PC resets. Odd, I though, and tried again. 62C this time. Entering the BIOS (which, by the way, is a Leadtek nForce-2 board with the crappiest Health Monitoring features ever, and no voltage monitoring, argh), shows 68C for the CPU, which has been 46C up until now.

Thinking that's just weird, I crank all the fans up, and the temperature won't budge. It won't go up, either, it's just stuck permanently on 68C (even on a cold start). MBM5 (which doesn't like my board, really), is showing 80C. However, the CoolDrive CPU sensor, which is mounted next to the core, between the heatsink & susbstrate of the CPU, reads what very much appears to be the correct temperature.

Is my thermal diode broken? Did that sudden reset indicate that the board has had enough and reset to prevent damage to the CPU? I have remounted and reapplied decent thermal goop, which hasn't made any difference. There's no "Bad Temperature! Bad! Shutting down now!" feature in the BIOS, nothing. Here's a link to the board, "CPU Overheat Protection System" displayed, nothing to control it in the BIOS or manual.

BTW, it's a Barton 3000+, running at stock. With the fans cranked slightly, and Prime95 running now since half an hour ago, the temperature shown is 53.5C on the CoolDrive, but MBM is still reporting 80C temperatures. The heatsink is mounted correctly (believe me, I checked everything!), and feels fairly warm to the touch- not scorchingly hot, but hot enough to convince me that it's making proper contact.

Thoughts please? :)

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Are you using the latest bios for your board? It could just be a bios glitch. Do you know if your board reads from the on-die temp sensor or socket thermistor? If it's the socket thermistor then push it down ever so slightly and see if that helps should the bios flash not correct it.
 

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Yeah I have the latest BIOS flash, I'm fairly sure that it's using the on-die sensor, but I'll check later.

However, weird thing happened. I took it apart (the case) to move one of the fans over and to add another HD cooling fan, didn't touch the heatsink apart from to wipe a little dust from the blades, and turned back on. Lo and behold, the BIOS now agrees with the CoolDrive temperatures!

Weird, huh? I'm going to Prime95 the bitch for a few hours to see what happens...
 

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My best guess is there was too much T.I.M in between and when you wiped the blades that the slight downward pressure forced more T.I.M out which was causing thermal buildup. Regardless it's good to hear it's better now :beer:
 

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It's entirely possible, but I did thoroughly check that, and I apply TIM on an almost daily basis (have it down to a fine art ;)), so I've no idea. It's holding at 50C (full load) now, seems like merely turning the PSU on and off at the wall sorted the problem. Regardless, more stress tests needed :D

Thanks for the help!
 

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Originally posted by: DopeFiend
It's entirely possible, but I did thoroughly check that, and I apply TIM on an almost daily basis (have it down to a fine art ;)), so I've no idea. It's holding at 50C (full load) now, seems like merely turning the PSU on and off at the wall sorted the problem. Regardless, more stress tests needed :D

Thanks for the help!

I know it doesnt sound likely but is the heatsink on the right way? My ABIT NF7-S reported temps of around 45C and my machine rebooted as soon as I tried stressing (gaming) at stock speeds. Tried everything possible and Id actually put the heatsink on the wrong way.... sorted it out and hit like 40C idle or so, solid as a rock.

If the side panel is off, its worth the 2 seconds to look and probably worth 10 seconds replying to flame my stupid idea
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I've seen some KT266A board report 200C - Ofcourse I looked inside the machine to find its still working.

Could just be an odd fluctuative reading.
 

imported_Phil

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Originally posted by: Elcs

I know it doesnt sound likely but is the heatsink on the right way? My ABIT NF7-S reported temps of around 45C and my machine rebooted as soon as I tried stressing (gaming) at stock speeds. Tried everything possible and Id actually put the heatsink on the wrong way.... sorted it out and hit like 40C idle or so, solid as a rock.

If the side panel is off, its worth the 2 seconds to look and probably worth 10 seconds replying to flame my stupid idea
rolleye.gif

Thanks for the idea, but I fully checked that when I was rebuilding the system- the build took me about a day in total, what with selecting temperature sensor points, routing cables, tidying things up etc. I always plan way too much for these kind of things, and the result is that I haven't had a system fail to POST first time for me :)

I digress. The sink is on the right way round and things seem to be settling down now. 45C at idle, with the case fans turned down to minimum, and the CPU fan at 2100 rpm, nice and quiet. Looks like it's okay for now.
 

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Update:

It's now idling at 42C, about 50C under load, which IMHO is pretty darned good for a 3000+, notoriously hot little ah heck that it is :)

Thanks for the help guys :D