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Anandtech Moderator
My view is quite simple. The argument that is being presented by the BBC in their blog (see very bottom for link) in that this is an error and that there was confusion and that they no longer have the original tapes etc is complete hogwash.
Every time the BBC is caught red handed (twice in two weeks in a row) they give a response that is very similar to those given by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Again you can read their response in the blog link at the bottom.
For an example of the kind of response I'm talking about please see the link in my sig.
WTC7 Video:
The video is just over 7min long and the reporting starts at the start of those 7 minutes until suddenly the BBC looses its satelite connection to NY and the picture is cut off. We currently don't have a sourced time stamp of when this was taped. This would be on the originals that were conveniently not kept by the BBC (destroyed probably).
The source of the leak indicates that the report is given at 4:57pm EST which is 23 minutes (5:20pm) before it fell. Shortly after the BBC suddenly looses its satelite connection.
What is not in question is the fact that you can clearly see WTC7 in the background throughout the report until the satelite connection is cut.
Make of it what you will (I'm including all sources including the original one that was censored and no longer works. Thankfully some caught it and it spread like fire.):
Original source now censored by Google
YouTube (currently up and working)
LiveLink (currently up and working)
Esnips Link (Up and running)
Directly link at PrisonPlanet (up and running)
QuickTime direct version (up and running)
Torrent version (not tested)
AVI direct version (up and running)
This is the BBC blog in response to this video. You can add what you think if you wish as I have.
EDIT:
BBC News 24 includes Story and Time Stamp
Debunkers have now been completely eviscerated: BBC News 24 includes story and Time Stamp. (Google Video version has already been censored, but I will include the video as soon as I find one that works). For now we have a screenshot of it. It was working earlier.
The now no longer working google video can be seen here but it has a screenshot.
EDIT: Added link.
YouTube version of News 24 video (currently up and running)
Note: 21.54 Hours which coverts to 4:54PM in NY
CNN Reports Time of collapse/collapsing at 4:15pm
What has now been leaked is that CNN had spilled the same story 65 minutes before it actually occured and I quote "has either collapsed or is collapsing." Also mentions that this occured at "about 4:15 eastern daylight time"
The CNN video can be seen here (currently working from YouTube)
EDIT:
Another Video.
This one is also from the BBC. This one discusses why the towers fell and gave an explaintaion that was virtually the exact same thing the offical report came out with. Keep in mind this was shortly after the collapse and long before any experts were lined up by the government.
Here it is
EDIT:
Here is the BBC's Richard Porter's response to this story about the tapes going missing.
Source: BBC Blog
Here is the BBC's own Policy on keeping Media. That would be copies of reports and tapes.
Source: BBC website
As for News 24 tapes not clearing this up I have already posted the video from News 24 clearly showing the exact same story reported by different people and showing the Time Stamp.
It degraded back to the tinfoil theory that causes such threads to be booted from P&N
Anandtech Moderator
My view is quite simple. The argument that is being presented by the BBC in their blog (see very bottom for link) in that this is an error and that there was confusion and that they no longer have the original tapes etc is complete hogwash.
Every time the BBC is caught red handed (twice in two weeks in a row) they give a response that is very similar to those given by Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to the Senate Judiciary Committee. Again you can read their response in the blog link at the bottom.
For an example of the kind of response I'm talking about please see the link in my sig.
WTC7 Video:
The video is just over 7min long and the reporting starts at the start of those 7 minutes until suddenly the BBC looses its satelite connection to NY and the picture is cut off. We currently don't have a sourced time stamp of when this was taped. This would be on the originals that were conveniently not kept by the BBC (destroyed probably).
The source of the leak indicates that the report is given at 4:57pm EST which is 23 minutes (5:20pm) before it fell. Shortly after the BBC suddenly looses its satelite connection.
What is not in question is the fact that you can clearly see WTC7 in the background throughout the report until the satelite connection is cut.
Make of it what you will (I'm including all sources including the original one that was censored and no longer works. Thankfully some caught it and it spread like fire.):
Original source now censored by Google
YouTube (currently up and working)
LiveLink (currently up and working)
Esnips Link (Up and running)
Directly link at PrisonPlanet (up and running)
QuickTime direct version (up and running)
Torrent version (not tested)
AVI direct version (up and running)
This is the BBC blog in response to this video. You can add what you think if you wish as I have.
EDIT:
BBC News 24 includes Story and Time Stamp
Debunkers have now been completely eviscerated: BBC News 24 includes story and Time Stamp. (Google Video version has already been censored, but I will include the video as soon as I find one that works). For now we have a screenshot of it. It was working earlier.
The now no longer working google video can be seen here but it has a screenshot.
EDIT: Added link.
YouTube version of News 24 video (currently up and running)
Note: 21.54 Hours which coverts to 4:54PM in NY
CNN Reports Time of collapse/collapsing at 4:15pm
What has now been leaked is that CNN had spilled the same story 65 minutes before it actually occured and I quote "has either collapsed or is collapsing." Also mentions that this occured at "about 4:15 eastern daylight time"
The CNN video can be seen here (currently working from YouTube)
EDIT:
Another Video.
This one is also from the BBC. This one discusses why the towers fell and gave an explaintaion that was virtually the exact same thing the offical report came out with. Keep in mind this was shortly after the collapse and long before any experts were lined up by the government.
Here it is
EDIT:
Here is the BBC's Richard Porter's response to this story about the tapes going missing.
4. We no longer have the original tapes of our 9/11 coverage (for reasons of cock-up, not conspiracy). So if someone has got a recording of our output, I'd love to get hold of it. We do have the tapes for our sister channel News 24, but they don't help clear up the issue one way or another.
Richard Porter is head of news, BBC World
Source: BBC Blog
Here is the BBC's own Policy on keeping Media. That would be copies of reports and tapes.
Ref No.
Policy Area / Policy Statement
01
Components to be Retained
01-01
The following components to be retained:-
· Two broadcast standard copies of all transmitted/published TV, Radio and BBCi output ? one to be stored on a separate site as a master
· One browse-quality version for research purposes, to protect the broadcast material
· All supporting metadata to enable research and re-use
· A selection of original (i.e. unedited) material for re-use/re-versioning purposes
· Hardware/software/equipment to enable replay/transfer of the media
Source: BBC website
As for News 24 tapes not clearing this up I have already posted the video from News 24 clearly showing the exact same story reported by different people and showing the Time Stamp.