*UPDATED* Madam gets busted in LA and the names of clients flow...

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Gag order! We need a gag order STAT! :laugh:
Feds Seek To Gag D.C. Madam
Prosecutors fear leak of sensitive client, escort information
MARCH 7--Federal prosecutors want to gag an indicted former Washington, D.C. madam who has recently threatened to go public with details about her former customers.

In a motion filed Monday in U.S. District Court, investigators are seeking a protective order covering discovery material to be provided to Deborah Palfrey and her lawyers.

Palfrey, 50, was indicted last week on racketeering and money laundering charges stemming from her operation of the Pamela Martin & Associates escort service, which closed last summer after 13 years in business. In their motion, a copy of which you'll find below, government lawyers claim that some discovery documents contain "personal information" about Palfrey's former johns and prostitutes that is "sensitive."

The prosecution filing does not detail the nature of this confidential information, though the identity of Palfrey's D.C. customers would surely be cloaked if the protective order was signed by Judge Gladys Kessler.

According to the prosecution motion, while Palfrey and her lawyers would be able to use the discovery material to help prepare a defense, they would not be allowed to disclose the documents to anyone else (nor use the material for any other purposes).

Palfrey, whose assets were frozen late last year, has recently floated the idea of selling her escort business's phone records. She has also "made statements that could be considered veiled threats to cause embarrassment to former customers and employees," according to the motion. In connection with an asset forfeiture action, Palfrey has sought to depose political consultant Dick Morris, who she has identified as a former escort service client.

While no clients are identified in Palfrey's five-count indictment, the charging document indicates that 14 former associates testified before the grand jury that indicted her.

Palfrey was previously convicted of operating a prostitution business in California and spent 18 months in prison (where the above mug shot was snapped). Before closing her business, Palfrey operated a web site touting Pamela Martin & Associates as "the best adult agency around," claiming that it had an "ongoing repeat clientele rate of 65-75%." Palfrey's site also advertised for escorts. Prospective hookers, she noted, had to be at least 23 years old with two or more years of college. And her $275-an-appointment employees had to be "weight proportionate to height." (5 pages)

Gotta love Washington. This list will come out no matter what the judge says. I wonder how many people running for prez are on that list?

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
She sent the names to ABC News! Watch 20/20 on May 4!

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'I Abhor Injustice,' Alleged Madam Says

By Sue Anne Pressley Montes
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, April 29, 2007; A01



"Miz Julia" doled out a steady stream of advice, both practical and philosophical.

From her California home, she e-mailed tips to the 132 women who worked across the Washington area for the firm Pamela Martin & Associates. Her newsletters, now excerpted in court records, were a virtual how-to manual for avoiding all kinds of trouble in a business said to specialize in erotic fantasies.

"One never quite knows where evil, i.e., the vice squad is lurking in this business," read one arch entry from 1995. "The misogynists get a real kick out of surprising (shocking) you girls, when you give them the opportunity!!! . . . Therefore, you are to lock, double lock, triple lock all doors!!! . . . Figure it out, before they 'get cha'!!!"

Miz Julia was the pseudonym for Deborah Jeane Palfrey, the woman at the center of a sex scandal that has caused a deputy secretary of state to resign and has lawyers calling around town trying to keep their clients' names out of public view. A one-time law student, Palfrey ran for 13 years what she insists was a legal escort service. Federal prosecutors allege she was providing $300-an-hour prostitutes, and a grand jury indicted her in February on federal racketeering charges.

Palfrey piqued fascination -- and anxiety -- by first threatening to sell phone records that could unveil thousands of clients, and then handing them over, apparently for free, to ABC News. She is scheduled to appear tomorrow in U.S. District Court in the District.

On Friday, Randall L. Tobias resigned as deputy secretary of state one day after confirming to Brian Ross of ABC that he had patronized the Pamela Martin firm. Speaking yesterday on "Good Morning America," Ross said Tobias told him Tobias's number was on Palfrey's phone records because he had called "to have gals come over to the condo to give me a massage." There had been "no sex," Ross quoted Tobias as saying, and that recently he has used another service, "with Central American gals," for massages.

Tobias, who is 65 and married, was director of U.S. Foreign Assistance and administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development. He previously held a top job in the Bush administration overseeing AIDS relief, in which he promoted abstinence and a policy requiring grant recipients to swear they oppose prostitution.

Palfrey's flamboyant attorney, Montgomery Blair Sibley, said Friday that he has been contacted by five lawyers recently, asking whether their clients' names are on Palfrey's list of 10,000 to 15,000 phone numbers. Some, Sibley said, have inquired about whether accommodations could be made to keep their identities private. ABC is expected to air a report on Palfrey and her clients on "20/20" on May 4, during sweeps.

More revelations are in the offing. Ross said the list includes the names of some "very prominent people," as well as a number of women with "important and serious jobs" who had worked as escorts for the firm.:laugh:

The disclosures have been made sparely and artfully. Two weeks ago, in court documents about calling former clients to testify on her behalf, Palfrey named Harlan K. Ullman, an academic whose main claim to fame was a scholarly paper he wrote more than a decade ago on the military strategy known as "shock and awe." Responded Ullman: "It doesn't deserve the dignity of a response."

Sibley also filed notice that he intends to depose political consultant Dick Morris in a separate civil proceeding. Morris would not comment.

Palfrey also declined to comment on either Tobias's resignation or other names that could arise.

"As the old saying goes, 'I need to dance with the guy who brung me,' " she wrote in an e-mail to a Washington Post reporter. "I have promised ABC News that the '20/20' interview will be an exclusive one. I am sure you can understand my situation."

For all the attention she is attracting, Palfrey retains an air of mystery. She has dropped intriguing hints about herself over the years but demurs when asked for an interview about her life.

"I am not a quitter," Palfrey wrote in another e-mail to The Post. "Additionally, I abhor injustice, on any level and in any forum. I frankly persist despite life's barriers. It is no more complicated than this."

She sees herself as an entrepreneur being railroaded by an all-powerful government, in a "David and Goliath scenario." Prosecutors have made much of her history: In 1992, she pleaded guilty to attempted felony pimping. She started her Washington business while on probation in California.

The little that is known about Palfrey comes from court records in California and Washington, interviews with acquaintances and a series of e-mails. Through her writing -- facile, self-assured, with triple exclamation points for emphasis -- she shows contradictions and gumption, a woman who says she lives by "the Golden Rule" and who describes herself as sophisticated, a perfectionist and "a cat person" who will not go away without a fight.

Old friends can't decipher the contrasting images.

"I thought I was a pretty good friend in high school," said Debbie Blozik, who lives in Birmingham, Ala. "But I'm thinking now how many things I really didn't know about her."

Home was Charleroi, Pa., population 5,000, which sits on a hillside overlooking the Monongahela River, south of Pittsburgh, its older homes clustered on steep streets.

The elder of two girls, Palfrey was born in 1956 to Frank Palfrey, who worked for a grocery company and died in 2002, and Blanche, a homemaker now living in Florida. The family resided for a while in Orlando but returned to Charleroi when Palfrey was 10, to a modest house with striped awnings on Shady Avenue.

Neighbors viewed "Debbie" as a bright, attractive girl. In high school, she was a majorette. She performed a modern dance solo in the senior talent show. But before graduation, she left abruptly, finishing in Florida. She said that she couldn't take the bullying anymore.

Palfrey graduated with a bachelor's degree in criminal justice from Rollins College in Winter Park, Fla., attended a year at what is now Thomas Jefferson School of Law in San Diego and completed a nine-month paralegal course.

She got into the escort business in San Diego, she said, because she was "appalled and disgusted" by how "seedy, lazy and incompetent" other escort agencies were, she wrote in court papers. An avowed teetotaler, she said she did not like the drug-related atmosphere in the other agencies.

"I decided to branch out, so to speak, from my solo state and began working with one or two (maybe three at the most) other women," she said in her California legal pleadings.

She told Thomas Czech, a career Marine who said he dated Palfrey for about two months, that she was an interior designer. Things ended badly, and Czech took out a restraining order against her in San Diego County in 1989.

Palfrey's professional life also took a turn for the worse. Her business crashed when she was arrested in 1990; an employee's angry mother apparently tipped off police. Palfrey employed about a dozen women and would have made $100,000 that year, she said.

She said her employees were "independent agents" and allowed that she should have "done something to police/eliminate such conduct from occurring."

Palfrey was a no-show at her scheduled trial in August 1991. She was captured that October in Montana. She explained to the court that the stress from the criminal proceedings had caused her to flee. Her mother, she said, was so upset that she developed a life-threatening aneurysm and required surgery. She said her parents "just can't comprehend how my offense could be viewed so harshly." Once free, she said, she planned to go into business exporting "authentic American Western and Indian art to the United Kingdom."

Instead, after 18 months in state prison, Palfrey started Pamela Martin. The firm recruited escorts through the University of Maryland student newspaper and Washington City Paper. It advertised in the Yellow Pages and on Web sites, touting itself as "undoubtedly the best adult agency around."

Her career path apparently was lucrative, but not spectacularly so. Prosecutors say she made about $2 million running Pamela Martin over 13 years -- on average, less than $160,000 a year. Her Escondido, Calif., home was valued at about $480,000 last year, and her Vallejo, Calif., house at about $495,000, according to court papers related to their seizure by the federal government.

Recently, Charleroi has exerted a pull on Palfrey as she returned, quietly. In late 2002, she launched a Charleroi Area High School alumni association Web site. On it, she expressed her interest in the Innocence Project for wrongly convicted prison inmates: "Never could stomach injustice, social or otherwise," she wrote, adding a photograph of herself as a young girl with shiny bangs by a Christmas tree.

In 2004, the Internal Revenue Service and the U.S. Postal Service launched a joint investigation of Pamela Martin & Associates. Palfrey, who conducted most of her business by e-mail and phone, allegedly instructed her "subcontractors" to convert her share of fees into money orders and mail them to her post office box in California.

Palfrey's legal strategy is to aver she had no idea that the women working for her ever engaged in prostitution. In papers filed in U.S District Court, Palfrey alleged that a former escort identified as Paula Neble and 15 "Jane Does" breached their contracts by engaging in illegal sex. Neble's attorney, Kathy Voelker, said she has "no comment at all."

Palfrey has had a lot of setbacks lately. She says she is "indigent." But she is not likely to go quietly.

"I should just 'cave' and defend myself," she wrote in a recent e-mail. "Otherwise, this ridiculous caricature people seem to have of someone in my position . . . sadly will be at my expense."

Just awesome...

 

gcy

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I think they should release her cleints list, there will be a lot of red faces.
yup, for the right price you get love in DC.
:D
 

her209

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Hey, maybe if you're a sexual offender, you can sue to have your name from being disclosed to the public too.
 

BoberFett

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It'd be pretty amusing to see how many Republicans who "stand for morality" (or some bullsht) are on that list. Let's have it. :)
 
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Originally posted by: BoberFett
It'd be pretty amusing to see how many Republicans who "stand for morality" (or some bullsht) are on that list. Let's have it. :)

Yeah! And all those godless, immoral Democrats too! I bet they're all over that list! :roll:


 

XMan

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
It'd be pretty amusing to see how many Republicans who "stand for morality" (or some bullsht) are on that list. Let's have it. :)

Yeah! And all those godless, immoral Democrats too! I bet they're all over that list! :roll:

Probably 95% of the Congress and Senate are on there - all the straight ones. The gay ones just go to a different madam. ;)
 
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Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
It'd be pretty amusing to see how many Republicans who "stand for morality" (or some bullsht) are on that list. Let's have it. :)

Yeah! And all those godless, immoral Democrats too! I bet they're all over that list! :roll:

Probably 95% of the Congress and Senate are on there - all the straight ones. The gay ones just go to a different madam. ;)
That's my guess. If the story stays alive long enough... Mmmm... this is going to be FUN.

 

BoomerD

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If the RIGHT people are on that list, she'll never live to spill the beans...

EDIT...or maybe I should say the WRONG people...
 

johnnobts

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we know carl levin is on the list. i mean, look at him. who would sleep with him for free?

schumer, not on the list. neither is edwards. after all, they're both homosexuals (ask ann coulter)

james kkk byrd is probably on the list too, has a penchant for black mistresses. he likes to be dominated by a strong nubian woman, helps to ease his white man's guilt after all those years.

not on the list: al gore. he's a dendrifieliac (look it up and learn a new word).
 
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Originally posted by: johnnobts
we know carl levin is on the list. i mean, look at him. who would sleep with him for free?

schumer, not on the list. neither is edwards. after all, they're both homosexuals (ask ann coulter)

james kkk byrd is probably on the list too, has a penchant for black mistresses. he likes to be dominated by a strong nubian woman, helps to ease his white man's guilt after all those years.

not on the list: al gore. he's a dendrifieliac (look it up and learn a new word).

Well, considering he is a tree... I guess that's not so weird. But Tipper has some explaining to do. :p
 

Ronstang

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Well, considering he is a tree... I guess that's not so weird. But Tipper has some explaining to do. :p

She likes her wood I guess.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
It'd be pretty amusing to see how many Republicans who "stand for morality" (or some bullsht) are on that list. Let's have it. :)
Unless she's a "West Hollywood Madam" probably none.
 

jackschmittusa

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First, let me say that I think the laws against prostitution are silly and based on religious beliefs. But be that as it may, police regularly perform sting operations to catch the johns and make their names public, so I see nothing wrong with releasing the list.

The real problem comes about when trying to compile the list. Which people in her records actually got laid, as opposed to simply using the service to take a hot looking chick to the opera or a school reunion?
 

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
It'd be pretty amusing to see how many Republicans who "stand for morality" (or some bullsht) are on that list. Let's have it. :)

Yeah! And all those godless, immoral Democrats too! I bet they're all over that list! :roll:

dude, thats just redundant :)
 

imported_Shivetya

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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
First, let me say that I think the laws against prostitution are silly and based on religious beliefs. But be that as it may, police regularly perform sting operations to catch the johns and make their names public, so I see nothing wrong with releasing the list.

The real problem comes about when trying to compile the list. Which people in her records actually got laid, as opposed to simply using the service to take a hot looking chick to the opera or a school reunion?

I agree the laws need to be changed. I look at it this way, the reason the rich and powerful use these services is so that the woman (or man) GOES HOME.

 

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Originally posted by: johnnobts
we know carl levin is on the list. i mean, look at him. who would sleep with him for free?

schumer, not on the list. neither is edwards. after all, they're both homosexuals (ask ann coulter)

james kkk byrd is probably on the list too, has a penchant for black mistresses. he likes to be dominated by a strong nubian woman, helps to ease his white man's guilt after all those years.

not on the list: al gore. he's a dendrifieliac (look it up and learn a new word).

So all the Republicans visited the gay prostitutes? Oh Noes your idols are teh homos???
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: BoberFett
It'd be pretty amusing to see how many Republicans who "stand for morality" (or some bullsht) are on that list. Let's have it. :)

Yeah! And all those godless, immoral Democrats too! I bet they're all over that list! :roll:

Probably 95% of the Congress and Senate are on there - all the straight ones. The gay ones just go to Jeff Gannon. ;)

fixed :D
 
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Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
First, let me say that I think the laws against prostitution are silly and based on religious beliefs. But be that as it may, police regularly perform sting operations to catch the johns and make their names public, so I see nothing wrong with releasing the list.

The real problem comes about when trying to compile the list. Which people in her records actually got laid, as opposed to simply using the service to take a hot looking chick to the opera or a school reunion?
Umm... All of them. How old are you?
 

ericlp

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Ya know if the majority of our fearless leaders are involved why don't they submit a bill and legalize prostitution?

I guess they would look down upon by the 90% of the christain folk around here. Sigh. If you think about ... Your taxes are going to pay for these services. Maybe we could give some of it to some faith based prostitutes?
 

jackschmittusa

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Whoozyerdaddy

Umm... All of them. How old are you?

Old enough to know that only fools would jump to such conclusions.

You may be right, but you have no reason to suppose that you are other than a guess.

Wait! Unless you and a lot of your friends use such a service and have anecdotal evidence.