Updated: Iraq On Verge Of National Emergency; Power Grid Set To Collapse

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By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer

Iraq's power grid is on the brink of collapse because of insurgent sabotage, rising demand, fuel shortages and provinces that are unplugging local power stations from the national grid, officials said Saturday.

Electricity Ministry spokesman Aziz al-Shimari said power generation nationally is only meeting half the demand, and there had been four nationwide blackouts over the past two days. The shortages across the country are the worst since the summer of 2003, shortly after the U.S.-led invasion to topple Saddam Hussein, he said.

Power supplies in Baghdad have been sporadic all summer and now are down to just a few hours a day, if that. The water supply in the capital has also been severely curtailed by power blackouts and cuts that have affected pumping and filtration stations.

Karbala province south of Baghdad has been without power for three days, causing water mains to go dry in the provincial capital, the Shiite holy city of Karbala.

"We no longer need television documentaries about the Stone Age. We are actually living in it. We are in constant danger because of the filthy water and rotten food we are having," said Hazim Obeid, who sells clothing at a stall in the Karbala market.

Electricity shortages are a perennial problem in Iraq, even though it sits atop one of the world's largest crude oil reserves. The national power grid became decrepit under Saddam Hussein because his regime was under U.N. sanctions after the Gulf War and had trouble buying spare parts or equipment to upgrade the system.

The power problems are only adding to the misery of Iraqis, already suffering from the effects of more than four years of war and sectarian violence. Outages make life almost unbearable in the summer months, when average daily temperatures reach between 110 and 120 degrees.

One of the biggest problems facing the national grid is the move by provinces to disconnect their power plants from the system, reducing the overall amount of electricity being generated for the entire country. Provinces say they have no choice because they are not getting as much electricity in return for what they produce, mainly because the capital requires so much power.

"Many southern provinces such as Basra, Diwaniyah, Nassiriyah, Babil have disconnected their power plants from the national grid. Northern provinces, including Kurdistan, are doing the same," al-Shimari said. "We have absolutely no control over some areas in the south," he added.

"The national grid will collapse if the provinces do not abide by rules regarding their share of electricity. Everybody will lose and there will be no electricity winner," al-Shimari said.

He complained that the central government was unable to do anything about provincial power stations pulling out of the national system, or the fact some provinces were failing to take themselves off the supply grid once they had consumed their daily ration of electricity.

Najaf provincial spokesman Ahmed Deibel confirmed to The Associated Press Sunday that the gas turbine generator there had been removed from the national grid. He said the plant produced 50 megawatts while the province needed at least 200 megawatts.

"What we produce is not enough even for us. We disconnected it from the national grid three days ago because the people in Baghdad were getting too much, leaving little electricity for Najaf," he said.

Compounding the problem, al-Shimari said there are 17 high-tension lines running into Baghdad but only two were operational. The rest had been sabotaged.

"What makes Baghdad the worst place in the country is that most of the lines leading into the capital have been destroyed. That is compounded by the fact that Baghdad has limited generating capacity," al-Shimari said.

"When we fix a line, the insurgents attack it the next day," he added.

Fuel shortages are also a major problem. In Karbala, provincial spokesman Ghalib al-Daami said a 50-megawatt power station had been shut down because of a lack of fuel, causing the entire province to be without water and electricity for the past three days.

He said sewage was seeping above ground in nearly half the provincial capital because pump trucks used to clean septic tanks have been unable to operate due to gasoline shortages. The sewage was causing a health threat to citizens and contaminating crops in the region.

Many people who normally would rely on small home generators for electricity can't afford to buy fuel. Gasoline prices have shot up to nearly $5 a gallon, Karbala residents say, a price that puts the fuel out of range for all but the wealthy.

"We wait for the sunset to enjoy some coolness," said Qassim Hussein, a 31-year-old day laborer in Karbala. "The people are fed-up. There is no water, no electricity, there is nothing, but death. I've even had more trouble with my wife these last three days. Everybody is on edge."

Iraq has the world's third-largest proven oil reserves, behind Saudi Arabia and Iran. But oil production has been hampered by insurgent and saboteur attacks, ranging from bombing pipelines to siphoning off oil. The attacks have cost the country billions of dollars since the 2003 U.S. invasion. Dilapidated infrastructure has also hindered refining, forcing Iraq to import large amounts of kerosene and other oil products.

The electricity problems come as leaders are trying to deal with a political crisis that erupted when the country's largest bloc of Sunni political parties withdrew from the government.

President Bush called Iraqi President Jalal Talabani and Vice President Adel Abdel-Mahdi to urge them to try to preserve political unity in the country, where the government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki is under a stiff challenge from rival political forces and insurgents.

Talabani, a Kurd, and Abdel-Mahdi, a Shiite, provided few details of the conversations in statements released by their offices. But both men have been involved in trying to solve the crisis.

Elsewhere, the U.S. military announced the death of a Marine during combat Thursday in Iraq's western Anbar province.

The U.S. military also issued a statement saying its forces killed four suspects and captured 33 others Saturday in raids in northern Iraq and along the Tigris River Valley.

In northern Iraq, a prison riot was brought under control two days after it broke out when Iraqi guards prepared to move inmates into an isolation unit and U.S. soldiers surrounded the facility.

The riot at Badoosh prison outside Mosul, about 220 miles northwest of Baghdad, involved nearly 65 inmates. Iraqi guards killed one inmate who was trying to escape from the prison yard and wounded two others inside the prison, the U.S. military said in a statement.

The U.S. military said American troops did not fire any rounds during the disturbance and no U.S. or Iraqi troops were wounded.

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Looks like the situation is much worse than I initially suspected, with provinces and cities across Iraq out of power and out of clean running water. Fuel prices are well out of the reach of regular Iraqis (hell, it's double the price it is here), and the unbearable summer weather is driving Iraqis to the edge of reason.

Troop surges and offensives be damned. Providing electricity and water to Iraqis should be the number one goal of our personnel and $10 billion monthly spending in Iraq. It's already a war zone over there, and it can only get worse when the populace is deprived of the everyday things they need to survive.

The Iraqi from Karbala summed up the current situation perfectly:

"The people are fed-up. There is no water, no electricity, there is nothing, but death."
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By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer

Much of the Iraqi capital was without running water Thursday and had been for at least 24 hours, compounding the urban misery in a war zone and the blistering heat at the height of the Baghdad summer.

Residents and city officials said large sections in the west of the capital had been virtually dry for six days because the already strained electricity grid cannot provide sufficient power to run water purification and pumping stations.

Baghdad routinely suffers from periodic water outages, but this one is described by residents as one of the most extended and widespread in recent memory. The problem highlights the larger difficulties in a capital beset by violence, crumbling infrastructure, rampant crime and too little electricity to keep cool in the sweltering weather more than four years after the U.S.-led invasion.

Jamil Hussein, a 52-year-old retired army officer who lives in northeast Baghdad, said his house has been without water for two weeks, except for two hours at night. He says the water that does flow smells and is unclean.

Two of his children have severe diarrhea that the doctor attributed to drinking what tap water was available, even after it was boiled.

"We'll have to continue drinking it, because we don't have money to buy bottled water," he said.

Adel al-Ardawi, a spokesman for the Baghdad city government, said that even with sufficient electricity "it would take 24 hours for the water mains to refill so we can begin pumping to residents. And even then the water won't be clean for a time. We just don't have the electricity or fuel for our generators to keep the system flowing."

Noah Miller, spokesman for the U.S. reconstruction program in Baghdad, said that water treatment plants were working "as far as we know."

"It could be a host of issues. ... And one of those may be leaky trunk lines. If there's not enough pressure to cancel out that leakage, that's when the water could fail to reach the household," Miller said.

He said that there had been a nationwide power blackout for a few hours Wednesday night that might be causing problems for all systems that depend on Iraq's already creaking electricity grid.

He blamed the outages on provinces north of Baghdad and in Basra in the far south where officials failed to cutback as required when they had taken their daily ration of electricity.

"It takes a long time to bring the power back up (to the grid's capacity and demand)," Miller said.

In the meantime, Iraqis suffer in brutal heat. It was 117 degrees in the capital Thursday, down from 120 the day before. With the power out or crackling through the decrepit system just a few hours each day, even those who can afford air conditioning do not have the power to run it.

Many Baghdad residents have banded together to use power from neighborhood generators, but the cost of fuel and therefore electricity is skyrocketing. Diesel fuel was going for nearly $4 a gallon on Thursday.

As expected in the midst of a water shortage, the cost of purified bottled water has shot up 33 percent. A 10-liter bottle now costs $1.60.

"For us, we can buy bottled water. But I'm thinking about the poor who cannot afford to buy clean water," said Um Zainab, a 44-year-old homemaker in eastern Baghdad. "This shows the weakness and the inefficiency of government officials who are good at only one thing ? blaming each other for the problems we are face."

The pace of the mayhem that saw 142 killed or found dead nationwide on Wednesday tapered off Thursday, but a suicide car bomber slammed into an Iraqi police station northeast of Baghdad and killed at least 13 people, police said.

Most of the dead were policemen and recruits lining up outside the station in Hibhib, the same small Sunni town near Baqouba where al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed in a U.S. airstrike more than a year ago. The area is considered a stronghold of both al-Qaida-linked militants and Saddam Hussein loyalists.

Fifteen were wounded in the attack, a police officer said on condition of anonymity out of security concerns.

A total of 58 people were killed or found dead across the country Thursday, according to police and hospital and morgue officials.

The U.S. military announced three more soldier deaths: two killed in a mortar or rocket attack Tuesday, and another killed in a roadside bombing Wednesday. At least 3,659 U.S. military personnel have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes seven military civilians.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday he is more optimistic about improvements in Iraqi security than he is about getting legislation passed by the bitterly divided government.

"In some ways we probably all underestimated the depth of the mistrust and how difficult it would be for these guys to come together on legislation," Gates said.

His remarks came as Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's Dawa Party asked the country's largest Sunni Arab bloc to reconsider its withdrawal from government to save Iraq's national unity government.

All six Cabinet ministers from the Iraqi Accordance Front quit al-Maliki's Cabinet a day earlier to protest what they called the prime minister's failure to respond to a set of demands.

Among them were the release of security detainees not charged with specific crimes, the disbanding of militias and the participation of all groups represented in the government in dealing with security issues.

Washington has been pushing al-Maliki's government to pass key laws, including measures to share national oil revenues and incorporate some ousted Baathists into mainstream politics. But the Sunni ministers' resignation from the Cabinet ? not the parliament ? foreshadows even greater difficulty in building consensus when lawmakers return after a monthlong summer recess on Sept. 4.

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Apparently we did such a good job of destroying Iraq's infrastructure in 2003's "shock and awe" that we can't bring it up to par four years later. Either that or our military/contractors are completely incompetent. Or perhaps bringing Iraqis the "everyday" things they need to function (like water and electricity) come in second place to troop surges and oil pipelines. If a major US city the size of Baghdad was without clean running water and electricity during 120 degree weather, it would be a national emergency; it would be true suffering for people young and old.
 

JD50

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Since you are so concerned about this what exactly are you doing to fix it?
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: JD50
Since you are so concerned about this what exactly are you doing to fix it?

My solution is to do everything I can to make sure the Democrats are in the White House control Congress in 2009.

Are there any organizations set up to help the Iraqis?

The republicans and GWB's solutions:

1. Stay the course
2. Mission Accomplished!
 
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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Originally posted by: JD50
Since you are so concerned about this what exactly are you doing to fix it?

My solution is to do everything I can to make sure the Democrats are in the White House control Congress in 2009.

The republicans and GWB's solutions:

1. Stay the course
2. Mission Accomplished!

As opposed to the Ds solution which is to run away (excuse me, redeploy) and leave things just as they are? How does that solve anything in regards to this problem?
 

ProfJohn

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If you think the water situation is bad now let's withdraw and see what happens.
 

Czar

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Originally posted by: JD50
Since you are so concerned about this what exactly are you doing to fix it?

If thats all the retort you got then it realy is very very bad.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: JD50
Since you are so concerned about this what exactly are you doing to fix it?

Build a God damned power plant and/or upgrade the existing ones! This isn't brain surgery. The fact that basic things like this go totally undone is what makes a lot of us wonder if we'll win in Iraq no matter how long we stay there.
 

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Iraqis seem to allow others to cut off their noses to spite their own face.

As soon as any utility grid (water, fuel/electricity) gets repaired, it gets taken down again.

And from what everyone claims, it is not the foriegners that are taken down the system.

Therefore let the Iraqis do something to stop the problem.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Iraqis seem to allow others to cut off their noses to spite their own face.

As soon as any utility grid (water, fuel/electricity) gets repaired, it gets taken down again.

And from what everyone claims, it is not the foriegners that are taken down the system.

Therefore let the Iraqis do something to stop the problem.

Are we even trying to protect the infrastructure?

The problem with the Iraqis doing something is that they need a base to work from, civilization can't just spring out of nothing. When we invaded we took away that foundation, as crummy as it was, and replaced it with pretty much nothing. That's not a big deal, you can't really invade a country without doing that, but we didn't do a lot to rebuild the country right away...doing it now might be too late, things have already deteriorated pretty far.
 

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1) We did not target the infrastructure to the extent that is has been destroyed. The situation has been compounded due to acts of sabotage by the forces of Saddam or just people wanting to become a PITA (they succeeded).

2) You can not protect every meter of pipeline and transmission wire, nor even every pumping station or pylon.

3) It has been documented previously that there are Iraqis working within the system that will spill the most vulnerable location to others for destruction.

4) When the Iraqis are determined to prevent the rebuilding, how can it go on.
 

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First off, Common Courtesy is 100 percent right. In addition I'd like to add that the outlying communities had NOTHING when we got here, and they have improved greatly. The issue is that much of the improvements are at the expense of the city, which formerly took EVERYTHING as far as power and resources.

I work with the locals daily. They complain more about the Iraqis than the CF.
 

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Iraq is Humpty Dumpty. Iraq is a mirror in which we see how imbecilic the people were who voted for Bush. Somebody please throw a sheet over that mirror, I hate what I see.
 

Jaskalas

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
If you think the water situation is bad now let's withdraw and see what happens.

It's not our water, and it seems to be what the Dems want. I say try it, we can stop repeating Lawrence?s mistake at trying to build anything in an Islamic nation.

Besides, our true security crisis is our border, our troops would be more useful there.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: JD50
Since you are so concerned about this what exactly are you doing to fix it?

Build a God damned power plant and/or upgrade the existing ones! This isn't brain surgery. The fact that basic things like this go totally undone is what makes a lot of us wonder if we'll win in Iraq no matter how long we stay there.


You misunderstood me, I was asking the OP what he is doing to fix the problem. He is so quick to throw out the term "keyboard commando" to all of the conservative posters that make comments on Iraq I figured that he must be doing something to fix this problem if he is going to come here and bitch about it.

 

Lemon law

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The point is that everyone is looking at the GWB military strategy of winning the war in Iraq---and are blinded by the facts that fixing Iraqi infrastructure was never the priority of GWB. And GWB should have hit the ground running on fixing the infrastructure if he wanted to win the peace. Yes to a certain extent, Iraqi insurgents retard the fixing process, but it still does not explain very much of the whole problem. And Iraqi infrastructure still is not up to pre-war levels mainly due to the fact it was NEVER assigned the proper priority.

Its far cheaper to scream terror terror terror.---which costs nothing at all. And until this infrastructure is improved, the US will continue to lose the peace. Anyone who read the link can see that the water is not supplied because the electrical grid can't supply the power to the water station pumps. And we could easily supply the generators dedicated to just those pumps. And at the pumping site. And just a handful of soldiers could keep those pumps protected. And that could be done in just a few months---and should have been done over four years ago.
 

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The point is that everyone is looking at the GWB military strategy of winning the war in Iraq---and are blinded by the facts that fixing Iraqi infrastructure was never the priority of GWB. And GWB should have hit the ground running on fixing the infrastructure if he wanted to win the peace. Yes to a certain extent, Iraqi insurgents retard the fixing process, but it still does not explain very much of the whole problem. And Iraqi infrastructure still is not up to pre-war levels mainly due to the fact it was NEVER assigned the proper priority.

Its far cheaper to scream terror terror terror.---which costs nothing at all. And until this infrastructure is improved, the US will continue to lose the peace. Anyone who read the link can see that the water is not supplied because the electrical grid can't supply the power to the water station pumps. And we could easily supply the generators dedicated to just those pumps. And at the pumping site. And just a handful of soldiers could keep those pumps protected. And that could be done in just a few months---and should have been done over four years ago.

The infrastructure was decaying since the early 90s

No-one anticipated that the Iraqis would attempt to destroy their own facilities.
The Iraqis had the technical know-how to get things humming - the problem was that there were a few that did not want any progresss.

GWB wanted to remove Saddam and put in place a government without tieds to Saddam. They expected the Iraqis to be pleased with the removal of Saddam & co.

Things were to go like what happened in WWII under the Marshall plan.

We know now, that the attitude of a population affects such reconstruction as well as the providing of the resources.

 

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Sure it's hot, but they got to vote. They also get blown to pieces on a daily basis... but they got to vote.
 

Lemon law

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To Common Courtesy,

Who is trying to blame only Iraqi insurgents---and claims----"No-one anticipated." Well for one General Shinseki did and got fired for it.
But if you want---we can modify the statement to accurate by saying---"No one in the GWB administration anticipated squat because all they could do is listen to each other and get lost in their own mutual self-congratulations.---which is why we are flopping around still and are stuck in a quagmire.

And then you point out---Things were to go like what happened in WWII under the Marshall plan.

To have something go as planned---you have to have a well thought out plan and hit the ground running---and GWB&co. didn't have a well thought out plan, did not hit the ground running, and let the insurgency grow from a tiny annoyance to the huge entrenched monster it is now. And worse yet, never adjusted the initial plan when it was clear it was not working.

Sorry, Common Courtesy, George Marshall was competent and GWB&co. simply are not. And his plan was sufficiently robust so any slight failures helped us in our later occupation of Japan. And we did not make the same mistakes twice.

And lastly you point out----The infrastructure was decaying since the early 90s---only semi-accurate because GHB destroyed a good part of it with carpet bombing during Gulf war one----but when you know the infrastructure is in terrible shape before you go in----you do know exactly what needs fixing and can make it part of the plan before you go in. And while Powell was delaying GWB"s rush to invade Iraq by wasting a month running it past the UN---would have been a good time to tighten up the plan. As we all know,
there was simply no GWB plan other than over exuberant and unwarranted optimism that failed first pop out of the box. And its been downhill ever since.

Its all in that anticipation thing---you hope for the best but plan for the worst.---its almost always the difference between success and failure. And the difference between the competent and the incompetent.

But I do thank you Common Courtesy---your post proved to be the perfect hot air balloon for me to deflate.
 

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
4) When the Iraqis are determined to prevent the rebuilding, how can it go on.

The Iraqi parliament decided the most constructive thing they could do to help their own people was to take the month off for vacation. We should have our troops do the same.

As of 8/2/07 11:30 pm EDT, the official toll of American deaths in Iraq is 3,662. That's more than yesterday, and it'll continue rising.
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Continuing to squander American blood and lives for the Bushwhackos' war of LIES is ridiculous. The only ones who benefit from our continued presence in Iraq are Al Qaeda and the rest of our real enemies. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:
 

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Iraqis seem to allow others to cut off their noses to spite their own face.

As soon as any utility grid (water, fuel/electricity) gets repaired, it gets taken down again.

And from what everyone claims, it is not the foriegners that are taken down the system.

Therefore let the Iraqis do something to stop the problem.

Exactly, let's make like sheep and get the flock out of there.

They fended for themselves without the U.S. and they will again.
 

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And lastly you point out----The infrastructure was decaying since the early 90s---only semi-accurate because GHB destroyed a good part of it with carpet bombing during Gulf war one----but when you know the infrastructure is in terrible shape before you go in----you do know exactly what needs fixing and can make it part of the plan before you go in. And while Powell was delaying GWB"s rush to invade Iraq by wasting a month running it past the UN---would have been a good time to tighten up the plan. As we all know,

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. Nice try

1. Never did the CF carpet bomb Iraq even once

2. Infrastructure was deliberately left intact

3. Saddams country ONLY had any modernization in major cities. The rest of the country lived in the 17th century.

Of course you would know this if you had ever taken the time to read anything on the actual invasion and subsequent rebuilding effort. Stop drinking the Kool-aid and pay attention.

 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: maluckey
And lastly you point out----The infrastructure was decaying since the early 90s---only semi-accurate because GHB destroyed a good part of it with carpet bombing during Gulf war one----but when you know the infrastructure is in terrible shape before you go in----you do know exactly what needs fixing and can make it part of the plan before you go in. And while Powell was delaying GWB"s rush to invade Iraq by wasting a month running it past the UN---would have been a good time to tighten up the plan. As we all know,

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. Nice try

1. Never did the CF carpet bomb Iraq even once (Question--are you talking about GWB or GHB?--but the fact is that Gulf war one, smart bomb technoloy was new, and no doubt about the first gulf war damn near bombed Iraq back to the stone age. )

2. Infrastructure was deliberately left intact---again are you talking GHB or GWB?---but the
damage was already done and the embargo prevented any repairs.

3. Saddams country ONLY had any modernization in major cities. The rest of the country lived in the 17th century. ( maybe partially true---but making a few bridges to nowhere still can't hide the fact that by all measures, infrastrture in major cities is worse not better than prewar levels)

Of course you would know this if you had ever taken the time to read anything on the actual invasion and subsequent rebuilding effort. Stop drinking the Kool-aid and pay attention. ( The real question is who is drinking the Koolaide. But I sure am not buying the GWB brand. And you seem to be brewing your own brand of LSD that prevents your ability to see. But the ultimate voters, the Iraqi people, are the consumers of this swill, and just
they seem to be rejecting your version of events.. )

 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: maluckey
And lastly you point out----The infrastructure was decaying since the early 90s---only semi-accurate because GHB destroyed a good part of it with carpet bombing during Gulf war one----but when you know the infrastructure is in terrible shape before you go in----you do know exactly what needs fixing and can make it part of the plan before you go in. And while Powell was delaying GWB"s rush to invade Iraq by wasting a month running it past the UN---would have been a good time to tighten up the plan. As we all know,

Unfortunately, you are incorrect. Nice try

1. Never did the CF carpet bomb Iraq even once (Question--are you talking about GWB or GHB?--but the fact is that Gulf war one, smart bomb technoloy was new, and no doubt about the first gulf war damn near bombed Iraq back to the stone age. )

2. Infrastructure was deliberately left intact---again are you talking GHB or GWB?---but the
damage was already done and the embargo prevented any repairs.

3. Saddams country ONLY had any modernization in major cities. The rest of the country lived in the 17th century. ( maybe partially true---but making a few bridges to nowhere still can't hide the fact that by all measures, infrastrture in major cities is worse not better than prewar levels)

Of course you would know this if you had ever taken the time to read anything on the actual invasion and subsequent rebuilding effort. Stop drinking the Kool-aid and pay attention.

( The real question is who is drinking the Koolaide. But I sure am not buying the GWB brand. And you seem to be brewing your own brand of LSD that prevents your ability to see. But the ultimate voters, the Iraqi people, are the consumers of this swill, and just
they seem to be rejecting your version of events.. )

Wow, you didn't rebut a single thing that he said....Your posts are impossible to read by the way, I really wish you'd figure out how to use the quote function correctly.