**UPDATED 9/21** Edmunds Full Test: 2007 Mazdaspeed 3

NFS4

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**Updated 9/21/2006**

Vehicle Tested:
2007 Mazda MAZDASPEED MAZDA3 Grand Touring 4dr Wagon (2.3L 4cyl Turbo 6M)
MSRP of Test Vehicle: $26,300 Price It!!

What Works:
Colossal torque, superb handling balance, semi-sleeper styling.

What Needs Work:
Porky (3,163 pounds), questionable damping control in some conditions, only 5,000 available in the U.S.

Bottom Line:
Top-notch sport compact contender that combines awesome performance with realistic pricing and five-door practicality.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Dr...6868?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1

At the drag strip, we recorded a 0-60 time of 5.9 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 14.2 seconds at 100 mph. That's 0.4 second slower to 60 than the last Subaru WRX we tested, but a staggering 1.3 seconds quicker to that speed than a Honda Civic Si. Plus, the Mazda is at an obvious launch disadvantage in the sprint to 60 against the WRX given the Subaru's all-wheel drive. By the end of the quarter-mile the Mazda's added power makes the contest a dead heat against the WRX and blows the Honda out of the water by almost a full second.

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If Chevrolet's small-block V-8 had been introduced one year earlier than it actually was, it would have been stuck in the staid, bulbous and wallowing 1954 Chevrolet. Sure that would have meant that the '54 Chevy was faster, but it merely would have been a faster block of crap. But instead the small-block appeared alongside the also all-new, all-stylish, elegantly lithe and nimble 1955 Chevrolet and history was made - this was a great car in which a great engine like the small block could develop into a legend.

The Mazdaspeed3 does for Mazda's DISI engine what the '55 Chevy did for the small-block.

Mazda's Direct Injection Spark Ignition (DISI) Turbo engine had the distinct disadvantage of showing up last year initially in the Mazdaspeed6 mid-size sedan and CX-7 crossover SUV-like thing. Both of those sophisticated machines have their advantages and attractions, but they're relatively large, relatively heavy and, except for a few front-drive CX-7s, usually burdened by all-wheel drive systems with their inherent parasitic drag. The 2.3-liter DISI four-cylinder engine makes enough power to keep those machines interesting, but not enough to turn them into legends.

The Mazdaspeed3, on the other hand, weighs in at 3153 pounds which is 436 pounds lighter than the MazdaSpeed6 and 776 pounds lighter than the all-wheel-drive CX-7, and the power take-off on its six-speed transaxle's case has been blocked off. The result is that the merely adequate DISI engine in the Mazdaspeed6 and CX-7 is allowed to romp heroically in this car.

Good vibrations

The Mazda3 is already a well-established hit for Mazda; the only thing that keeps the company from selling even more of these subcompacts in America is that worldwide demand is so intense that there's not enough production capacity to supply more. And it's a success that's deserved since the Mazda3 works so well in every form in which it's sold; it handles great, is logically laid out and attractive in both general shape and design detail. The genius of the Mazdaspeed3 is that it amplifies everything that's already good about the Mazda3 so effectively.

Of course that amplification starts in the engine bay where the DISI takes up residence. Mechanically the four-cylinder, 2.3-liter DISI in the Mazdaspeed3 is identical to the DISI in the Mazdaspeed6; the same DOHC aluminum cylinder head, same direct injection fuel system, same aluminum block, same pistons, same forged steel crank, forged steel connecting rods, same counter-rotating balance shafts, the same 87.5-millimeter cylinder bores and 94.0-millimeter crank stroke and the same turbocharger heaving through the same intercooler and plumbing. The only difference, says Mazda, is a slight change in software programming for quicker throttle response. Some differences in exhaust routing and such mean the DISI is rated at 263 horsepower at 5500 rpm and 280 pound-feet of peak torque at a measly 3000 rpm while it makes 11 more horsepower in the Mazdaspeed6 (the torque rating is identical).

The super-small "three-shaft" six-speed manual transaxle to which the Mazdaspeed3's DISI is lashed is also the same one used in the Mazdaspeed6 and in turn it feeds a conical limited slip differential. And hitched to that diff are hardened steel equal-length driveshafts. To further stifle any possible torque steer, the powertrain control module has the turbocharger wastegate bleeding off excess boost during possible torque spikes in first and second gear and allowing maximum boost only in third gear and beyond and restraining torque output when sensors indicate that the front wheels are angling into a turn. And finally the drive-by-wire throttle operates according to algorithms intended to minimize torque spikes no matter how cluelessly the driver whacks, slams, thrashes or drops anvils on the accelerator pedal.

With its thick torque spread (remember that chunky peak number occurs way down at 3000 rpm) the contrast between the DISI engine in the Mazdaspeed3 and the 197-horsepower i-VTEC 2.0-liter four in Honda's directly competitive (in at least price and attitude) Civic Si couldn't be starker. The Honda engine feels like it was engineered in a meth lab; it needs to spin like a Tasmanian devil in order to generate significant thrust.

The DISI engine, on the other hand, whomps off the line with the slightest dip into the throttle but doesn't perform like a V-8; this is something new, a creamy, seamlessly torque-laden four with an eager-to-please personality. It still has that four-cylinder eagerness that a V-8 can't quite duplicate and slightly shrill exhaust note that's almost brat-like in its impropriety. The Mazdaspeed3 the friendliest thoroughbred in the corral and the quickest - Mazda claims a zero-to-60 time of under six seconds with an electronically limited top speed of 155 mph. It feels even quicker.

Structured settlement

The basic structure and substance of the Mazda3 five-door hatchback carries over to the Mazdaspeed3 intact. There's still a simple set of MacPherson struts holding the front off the ground and a slightly more advanced multi-link suspension system keeps the rear bumper from dragging on the pavement. Of course, however, there have been modifications.

As is well known, the Mazda3's basic structure is Ford's global C1 small car platform upon which the Volvo S40 and European Ford Focus are constructed. However for this most powerful C1 the body rigidity had to be augmented and Mazda did that by reinforcing the cowl area, center floor tunnel and rear shock towers with additional steel. They also added a front strut tower bar to decrease deflection there. This is a very solid small car despite its five big door openings.

It's also a slightly lower car thanks to a suspension that drops ride height about a third of an inch compared to the standard Mazda3. The shocks and springs are stiffer but hardly brutal and seem well matched to the 215/45ZR18 summer-spec performance tires.

The Mazdaspeed3's steering is excellent, but still not quite as communicative or precise as that of the Civic Si's and its initial turn-in to corners isn't quite as crisp. And while the six-speed transmission's shifter action is better than good, it's nowhere near the almost perfect shifter in that Honda. On the Mazda Raceway track at California's Laguna Seca the Mazdaspeed3's initial understeer was apparent diving into the tighter corners, but the engine was so brilliant and traction system so elegant that it pulls through a corner after the apex effortlessly. Under braking the nose squats down rather than dives; once again only the Honda Civic Si is as good when it comes to front drivers. And the Mazdaspeed3's ABS-controlled brakes are simply superb - 12.6-inch diameter ventilated discs in front and 11.0-inch solid discs in the back.

If there's any reaction the Mazdaspeed3's performance ought to inspire, it's sending Honda engineers back to their CAD systems to conjure up a turbo system for the Civic Si.

Decoration nation

Most of the unique elements of the Mazdaspeed3's interior and exterior are readily apparent and rather conventional. What may escape notice are the slightly flared front fenders and the bump in the hood to clear the top-mounted intercooler (air is fed to the intercooler through ducting in the hood). The deep front air dam, revised bumper covers, rear spoiler are all more apparent.

Inside there are aluminum covers for the pedals, red accent stitching on the steering wheel and upholstery and the seats have been specially designed for support during hero work. The Mazda3's compliment of front, seat-mounted side, and roof-mounted curtain airbags all carry on to the Mazdaspeed version.

This is not, however, a car to buy because of steering wheel stitching or special LED taillights. This car's attraction is performance, not the image of performance. They could ship it over here available only in taupe paint and genuine rust and it would still be one of the most exhilarating cars Mazda has ever sold in the United States . In the history of sport compacts, this car is an immediate icon.

With a price starting at $22,835 the raging Mazdaspeed3 is also a raging bargain. While it's bound to be compared with other powerful front drivers like the upcoming Dodge Caliber SRT4, it also compares favorably with such all-wheel-drive near-legends as the Subaru WRX and Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution. Yes, it really is that good.
http://www.thecarconnection.com/Vehicle...bles/2007_Mazdaspeed3.S184.A10865.html
 

shabby

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I wonder when they're going to throw that engine in the miata, the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.
 

b0mbrman

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Mazda's Direct Injection Spark Ignition (DISI) Turbo engine had the distinct disadvantage of showing up last year initially in the Mazdaspeed6 mid-size sedan and CX-7 crossover SUV-like thing. Both of those sophisticated machines have their advantages and attractions, but they're relatively large, relatively heavy and, except for a few front-drive CX-7s, usually burdened by all-wheel drive systems with their inherent parasitic drag. The 2.3-liter DISI four-cylinder engine makes enough power to keep those machines interesting, but not enough to turn them into legends.

But ATOT says FWD is the devil! :Q
 

EvilYoda

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I can't to give one of those a spin...make up a little for me having to give back the GTO.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: shabby
the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.

Say what? You don't like hot hatches? :Q:Q

This car is the same weight as a GTI with 63 more HP and 73 more lb-ft of torque
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: shabby
the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.

Say what? You don't like hot hatches? :Q:Q

This car is the same weight as a GTI with 63 more HP and 73 more lb-ft of torque

This is sweet, and we NEED more fast hatches...with every wanker on the planet driving a GTI now, we need some variety!

I think it's quite possible that I was physically salivating as I read that article, I own a 3 and would LOVE to have a Mazdaspeed3, seriously might be time for a trade-in :D

Edit: By the way, I like the GTI too, I'm just saying we need some alternatives in the sporty hatch market.
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: shabby
the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.

Say what? You don't like hot hatches? :Q:Q

This car is the same weight as a GTI with 63 more HP and 73 more lb-ft of torque

Hot hatches are by definition not sedans.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: shabby
the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.

Say what? You don't like hot hatches? :Q:Q

This car is the same weight as a GTI with 63 more HP and 73 more lb-ft of torque

Hot hatches are by definition not sedans.

You DO realize that Mazda3 comes in a hatch, right?
 

Horus

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That...THAT IS INSANE HP. OMG. It's gonna Torquesteer FTW, but my GOD will it be magnificent!
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: shabby
the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.

Say what? You don't like hot hatches? :Q:Q

This car is the same weight as a GTI with 63 more HP and 73 more lb-ft of torque

Hot hatches are by definition not sedans.

I'm not sure I understand your point...
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: Horus
That...THAT IS INSANE HP. OMG. It's gonna Torquesteer FTW, but my GOD will it be magnificent!

Mazda minimized torque steer with equal length drive shafts and an engine computer that limits torque in the first two gears.
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: shabby
the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.

Say what? You don't like hot hatches? :Q:Q

This car is the same weight as a GTI with 63 more HP and 73 more lb-ft of torque

Hot hatches are by definition not sedans.

You DO realize that Mazda3 comes in a hatch, right?

The pics in the link are of a sedan with a hatch. Would you consider a Golf with a body kit a "hot hatch" too? You couldnt buy a GTi sedan if you wanted to. Well, they may make them in Brazil...wait, nope they dont.
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: shabby
the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.

Say what? You don't like hot hatches? :Q:Q

This car is the same weight as a GTI with 63 more HP and 73 more lb-ft of torque

Hot hatches are by definition not sedans.

I'm not sure I understand your point...

That car is a sedan/wagon, not a hatch. Look in my sig for a hatch.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: homercles337
The pics in the link are of a sedan with a hatch. Would you consider a Golf with a body kit a "hot hatch" too? You couldnt buy a GTi sedan if you wanted to. Well, they may make them in Brazil...wait, nope they dont.

What the hell are you talking about? That is the MazdaSpeed 3 Hatch.

There are two body styles for the Mazda3:

Sedan
Hatch

The MazdaSpeed3 is based on the hatch.
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: shabby
the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.

Say what? You don't like hot hatches? :Q:Q

This car is the same weight as a GTI with 63 more HP and 73 more lb-ft of torque

Hot hatches are by definition not sedans.

I'm not sure I understand your point...

That car is a sedan/wagon, not a hatch. Look in my sig for a hatch.

WTF dude. What do you call this?

http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060721.001/2060721.001.mini3L.jpg

and this:

http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3030909.001/1051big.jpg
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: homercles337
The pics in the link are of a sedan with a hatch. Would you consider a Golf with a body kit a "hot hatch" too? You couldnt buy a GTi sedan if you wanted to. Well, they may make them in Brazil...wait, nope they dont.

What the hell are you talking about? That is the MazdaSpeed 3 Hatch.

There are two body styles for the Mazda3:

Sedan
Hatch

The MazdaSpeed3 is based on the hatch.

You posted pics of a wagon and called it a hot hatch. Since the game Need For Speed MUST have gotten this distinction wrong let me clarify: wagon/sedan != hatch. Would you call the S4 wagon a "hot hatch?" How about an accord wagon with wheels and a body kit? Hot hatch?
 

NFS4

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: homercles337
The pics in the link are of a sedan with a hatch. Would you consider a Golf with a body kit a "hot hatch" too? You couldnt buy a GTi sedan if you wanted to. Well, they may make them in Brazil...wait, nope they dont.

What the hell are you talking about? That is the MazdaSpeed 3 Hatch.

There are two body styles for the Mazda3:

Sedan
Hatch

The MazdaSpeed3 is based on the hatch.

You posted pics of a wagon and called it a hot hatch. Since the game Need For Speed MUST have gotten this distinction wrong let me clarify: wagon/sedan != hatch. Would you call the S4 wagon a "hot hatch?" How about an accord wagon with wheels and a body kit? Hot hatch?

So adding two doors to the GTI and R32 make them wagons too?
 

Cattlegod

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: homercles337
The pics in the link are of a sedan with a hatch. Would you consider a Golf with a body kit a "hot hatch" too? You couldnt buy a GTi sedan if you wanted to. Well, they may make them in Brazil...wait, nope they dont.

What the hell are you talking about? That is the MazdaSpeed 3 Hatch.

There are two body styles for the Mazda3:

Sedan
Hatch

The MazdaSpeed3 is based on the hatch.

You posted pics of a wagon and called it a hot hatch. Since the game Need For Speed MUST have gotten this distinction wrong let me clarify: wagon/sedan != hatch. Would you call the S4 wagon a "hot hatch?" How about an accord wagon with wheels and a body kit? Hot hatch?


what do you mean wagon/sedan? are you saying that a wagon and sedan are the same thing?
 

Cattlegod

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: homercles337
The pics in the link are of a sedan with a hatch. Would you consider a Golf with a body kit a "hot hatch" too? You couldnt buy a GTi sedan if you wanted to. Well, they may make them in Brazil...wait, nope they dont.

What the hell are you talking about? That is the MazdaSpeed 3 Hatch.

There are two body styles for the Mazda3:

Sedan
Hatch

The MazdaSpeed3 is based on the hatch.

You posted pics of a wagon and called it a hot hatch. Since the game Need For Speed MUST have gotten this distinction wrong let me clarify: wagon/sedan != hatch. Would you call the S4 wagon a "hot hatch?" How about an accord wagon with wheels and a body kit? Hot hatch?

So adding two doors to the GTI and R32 make them wagons too?


the only thing i can think of is he is defining

hatch as: has an A,B, & C Pillar.
wagon as: has an A,B,C, & D Pillar.
 

homercles337

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: shabby
the mazda3 is the last car that needs an engine like that.

Say what? You don't like hot hatches? :Q:Q

This car is the same weight as a GTI with 63 more HP and 73 more lb-ft of torque

Hot hatches are by definition not sedans.

I'm not sure I understand your point...

That car is a sedan/wagon, not a hatch. Look in my sig for a hatch.

WTF dude. What do you call this?

http://www.germancarfans.com/news/2060721.001/2060721.001.mini3L.jpg

and this:

http://www.germancarfans.com/photos/3030909.001/1051big.jpg

I call those Brazilian (and/or perhaps Australian) and last i checked were never production vehicles. Your point? If you want to play this game, let me ask you if you have ever seen a Jetta Coupe? How about a JTi? I have. Does that mean i classify all jettas as coupes? Nope. If you want to call wagons "hot hatches" be my guest, just know that i laugh in your face while others laugh secretly behind your back.
 

NFS4

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NFS4

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Originally posted by: homercles337

I call those Brazilian (and/or perhaps Australian) and last i checked were never production vehicles. Your point? If you want to play this game, let me ask you if you have ever seen a Jetta Coupe? How about a JTi? I have. Does that mean i classify all jettas as coupes? Nope. If you want to call wagons "hot hatches" be my guest, just know that i laugh in your face while others laugh secretly behind your back.

These are production cars. The 5-door GTI is sold in Europe NOW and comes here to the US next year and the R32 5-door is sold in Europe NOW. You wanna see the R32 in real life? Here:

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10

Give it up. Regardless, I'm tired of wasting my breath
 

Cattlegod

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Originally posted by: NFS4
Originally posted by: Cattlegod
the only thing i can think of is he is defining

hatch as: has an A,B, & C Pillar.
wagon as: has an A,B,C, & D Pillar.

Pretty stupid whacky way of looking at things. How do you explain this? :D

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/...CLE/2006/Ford/100578100/20026177-E.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/...CLE/2006/Ford/100578108/20026179-E.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/...CLE/2006/Ford/100578106/20026190-E.jpg

Haha, not sure, but I'd guess he would say

Hatch
Wagon
Wagon

homercles337, care to comment on how the above cars fall into the hatch or wagon category?