UPDATE: White House Chief of Staff says 50 Years of Israeli Occupation Must End

[norseamd]

Begin

Wrong guy but I think I know who you might be talking about here. The guy who had Israeli intelligence involved in his assassination?

 

[norseamd]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin

 

[Jhhnn]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin

Correct. My mistake.

 

[norseamd]

Correct. My mistake.

Seems like there could be a massive conspiracy and deep government there that could cause massive civil catastrophe and maybe even political civil war if any possible truth was to be revealed to the public domain.

 

[Moonbeam]

they are in hell, a voiceless stateless people who are variously bombed, sanctioned, and protested against. i cant imagine what else a young palestinian man would do other than fight. he will die in airstrikes or be shot by some drunk israeli soldier anyway, may as well put his small time on earth to 'good use'. if your ethnic group was subjugated like this and told you basically are to cease to exist, would you just take it and give up or fight?

Well, what did the King of the Jews and the Son of God do when faced by the Romans? He went up on the cross and died so that we could know we have been forgiven, that we are loved infinitely by God, what else matters, That all of our self hate is the result of belief in the devil. He was tempted and defeated the call of power. All the hate of the world was his cross and he bore it with dignity and love. The difference between that man and the God in heaven did not exist. When you love you become the kingdom of heaven. And none of this requires any belief in God or any religion. Those are only roads that others have found to it. The Buddha did the same thing sitting under the Bo tree. One only needs to feel it all, to regurgitate and relive all of the pain. It has a source and an end and beneath it is the immortality of being.

There is no such thing as a Palestinian or an Israeli. There are only lovers and all manner of folk who are insane.



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[Moonbeam]

How do you think it compares to grow up as a Jew in the Israeli state vs in another Western Core Country?

There is no such thing as a Jew. There are only human beings who have attached their egos to externals that are delusions. We are all taught to have the other and to worship what we were born as because we were also caused to need that identity to replace our true selves which we were taught are worthless. We were taught that out true self is evil, but to see it only in the other. None of us could have supported the weight of hate that would have been directed at us as children if we remained faithful to the real. We were all psychically murdered. It's what makes us violent and vengeful. The greater the manifestation of that violence around you as a child, the worse case you get. Violence begets violence. Once there was great gentleness in Tibet.

 

[norseamd]

Violence begets violence.

For sure. Also reminds me of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_Begets_Violence

Once there was great gentleness in Tibet.

More like feudalism.

 

[norseamd]

The psychological factors that cause people to create what they fear, that repressed fear of feelings causes person in whom the repression exists to unconsciously create the conditions in his or her life that will cause that fear to manifest, how the longing for wholeness causes us to recreate our childhood traumas, one who had had more undergone more psychotherapy than anybody else on the planet, and with many of the best therapists, and who discovered the truth of what we really feel was a Jew. But when it comes to the transmission of this knowledge, it makes little difference what genetic stock you might hail from. Even the Jews of Israel have no idea that their fear of the Holocaust will cause them to recreate it. They are well on their way. It is such a pity but even extinction will not make people face what they feel, that we all feel like the worst person in the world. We may stick our heads in the sand, but your asses will be blown away regardless. The Jews sought safety from the holocaust only to put the Palestinians in hell and we all know what happened to the Germans. And just as you are about to. the Germans justified everything they did too. "The Jews to them were evil and deserved everything they got." Even our great bigot General Patton saw in the camps he liberated nothing but filthy starving animals.

What do you think about this man? And I am considering the man himself instead of only what was said. Some background understanding of this man might be required.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0y7NxvJE5M

 

[cabri]

This has to be a joke. Why don't you look at US support for Israel vs. the Palestinians from financial, political, and historical perspectives and just try to make the argument that the U.S. holds Israel accountable and not Palestine.

You would have to be living on the moon.

My question was not answered by you - you just ran around it.

When has anyone held the Palestinians and Arabs accountable for their actions?

 

[cabri]

The possibilities are endless but the question is would there be open warfare between the 2 countries or would there still exist the terrorism of individuals. My bet is that we would for sure see some of the later but the question is not if but how much. As for being there in force not sure if America would consider the presence and operations required to deal with the 2nd possibility. Obviously the Israelis do and have because of necessity for generations now. There is obviously so much to think about this issue but when the possible catastrophes of the current situation continuing are considered then the 2 state solution does not by default seem much worse to not consider.

Would you consider what has happened in Gaza open warfare or terrorism of the individual.

If a Palestinian state refused to handle the terrorism of an individual; should Israel sit back and accept it, go after the individual or punish the state for refusing to do anything.

With respect to the open warfare (which I consider Gaza to be), If a state attacks another state/citizens; should the injured party sit back or respond.

The issue with responding is that you will have the same scenario as before.
If you go to war; you do it to win; defeat the enemy; not cripple them and allow them to come back and fight another time.

 

[fskimospy]

My question was not answered by you - you just ran around it.

When has anyone held the Palestinians and Arabs accountable for their actions?

It happens on basically a constant basis so I guess my answer is "all the time".

WhIle we are on the subject, when has the U.S. held Israel accountable for it's actions? Hell, forget holding them accountable, when have we simply not actively shielded them from others attempting to hold them accountable?

Surely you agree that an ending of unconditional support for Israel is a good thing, no?

 

[cabri]

It happens on basically a constant basis so I guess my answer is "all the time".

WhIle we are on the subject, when has the U.S. held Israel accountable for it's actions? Hell, forget holding them accountable, when have we simply not actively shielded them from others attempting to hold them accountable?

Surely you agree that an ending of unconditional support for Israel is a good thing, no?

Given that the world gives the Palestinians and Arabs a pass; then how about what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

The UN wants to investigate, with bias, Israel Human Rights violations w/ respect to the conflicts. where is the investigation as to the Palestinians actions.

the US should end unconditional support for Israel.
It should also require the same from all other countries on the UN Security Council.

And the same should also be applied to handling of the Palestinians.
Rubber stamping resolutions put forward against either side needs to stop.

Applying sanctions to Israel should also require examination to see if the Arab/Palestinian side has also done the same or attempted to do so.

While at it; let Israel control it's own borders as to how it sees fit.
Force the UN to be neutral or get out of the way; favoritism of one side is not what the intentions were.

 

[Jhhnn]

While at it; let Israel control it's own borders as to how it sees fit.

So far, "control" has simply meant "expand". You know it's the truth.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Given that the world gives the Palestinians and Arabs a pass; then how about what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

The UN wants to investigate, with bias, Israel Human Rights violations w/ respect to the conflicts. where is the investigation as to the Palestinians actions.

the US should end unconditional support for Israel.
It should also require the same from all other countries on the UN Security Council.

And the same should also be applied to handling of the Palestinians.
Rubber stamping resolutions put forward against either side needs to stop.

Applying sanctions to Israel should also require examination to see if the Arab/Palestinian side has also done the same or attempted to do so.

While at it; let Israel control it's own borders as to how it sees fit.
Force the UN to be neutral or get out of the way; favoritism of one side is not what the intentions were.

You fail to appreciate the hopelessness and despair that prevails in the open air prison that is Palestine, which ironically is a modern day ghetto managed by the Jews. When you strip hope and opportunity from an entire population, what do you expect them to do? When they can stand atop the rubble of their cities and see over the walls to the relative comfort that the Israeli's have constructed for themselves on land that was seized from their forefathers, how do you expect them to feel? Israel has perpetuated a situation which is completely untenable. They have caged an entire population and rattled that cage for a generation to the point that they are boiling with rage. One day they are going to break out.

 

[fskimospy]

Given that the world gives the Palestinians and Arabs a pass; then how about what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

The UN wants to investigate, with bias, Israel Human Rights violations w/ respect to the conflicts. where is the investigation as to the Palestinians actions.

the US should end unconditional support for Israel.
It should also require the same from all other countries on the UN Security Council.

And the same should also be applied to handling of the Palestinians.
Rubber stamping resolutions put forward against either side needs to stop.

Applying sanctions to Israel should also require examination to see if the Arab/Palestinian side has also done the same or attempted to do so.

While at it; let Israel control it's own borders as to how it sees fit.
Force the UN to be neutral or get out of the way; favoritism of one side is not what the intentions were.

Israel is free to control its borders, unfortunately it is also controlling a fair bit of territory that is outside of its borders along with illegally settling people on land they do not own. That's always going to be a UN issue.

The world doesn't give the Palestinians a pass either, and even if they did that wouldn't excuse our enabling of Israel. We need to treat them the same way we would any other ally: when they act against our interests, we act against theirs.

 

[QuantumPion]

Israel is free to control its borders, unfortunately it is also controlling a fair bit of territory that is outside of its borders along with illegally settling people on land they do not own. That's always going to be a UN issue.

The world doesn't give the Palestinians a pass either, and even if they did that wouldn't excuse our enabling of Israel. We need to treat them the same way we would any other ally: when they act against our interests, we act against theirs.

In other news, France continues to refuse to return occupied Paris, which was illegally conquered and invaded, back to Germany.

 

[fskimospy]

In other news, France continues to refuse to return occupied Paris, which was illegally conquered and invaded, back to Germany.

Eye roll is right. We have had this discussion before. It's sad you didn't learn anything.

 

[touchstone]

boo boo bee doop

 

[Moonbeam]

You fail to appreciate the hopelessness and despair that prevails in the open air prison that is Palestine, which ironically is a modern day ghetto managed by the Jews. When you strip hope and opportunity from an entire population, what do you expect them to do? When they can stand atop the rubble of their cities and see over the walls to the relative comfort that the Israeli's have constructed for themselves on land that was seized from their forefathers, how do you expect them to feel? Israel has perpetuated a situation which is completely untenable. They have caged an entire population and rattled that cage for a generation to the point that they are boiling with rage. One day they are going to break out.

They created what they feared.

 

[schmuckley]

That they put in power the Revolutionary Islamists the same way they created the ISIS. Through their own petty meddling in dumb shit.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...h-oil-markets-iran/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[schmuckley]

There is no such thing as a Jew. There are only human beings who have attached their egos to externals that are delusions. We are all taught to have the other and to worship what we were born as because we were also caused to need that identity to replace our true selves which we were taught are worthless. We were taught that out true self is evil, but to see it only in the other. None of us could have supported the weight of hate that would have been directed at us as children if we remained faithful to the real. We were all psychically murdered. It's what makes us violent and vengeful. The greater the manifestation of that violence around you as a child, the worse case you get. Violence begets violence. Once there was great gentleness in Tibet.

riiiight... :awe:

 

[emperus]

You fail to appreciate the hopelessness and despair that prevails in the open air prison that is Palestine, which ironically is a modern day ghetto managed by the Jews. When you strip hope and opportunity from an entire population, what do you expect them to do? When they can stand atop the rubble of their cities and see over the walls to the relative comfort that the Israeli's have constructed for themselves on land that was seized from their forefathers, how do you expect them to feel? Israel has perpetuated a situation which is completely untenable. They have caged an entire population and rattled that cage for a generation to the point that they are boiling with rage. One day they are going to break out.

Even worse is that the Israeli's cut off all avenues for legal redress via the US veto at the UN. What hope do the Palestinians have when the chips are stacked against you?

I try to wrap my mind around the situation but it is filled with so much hypocrisy.

 

[norseamd]

I try to wrap my mind around the situation but it is filled with so much hypocrisy.

Well quite frankly the situation is nothing but bullshit hypocrisy.

 

[norseamd]

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...man-i-call-father/+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us