UPDATE: White House Chief of Staff says 50 Years of Israeli Occupation Must End

[norseamd]

Fuck. The ISIS is going to use the returning power of the Shiites to try to recruit the Yemen Sunni to join the ISIS in the Jihadist crusade.

 

[Omar F1]

Iran has acted as an behind the scenes provoker.
1) Keeps the Arab/Muslim world feeling that Iran is against Israel - on there side
2) Ensures that the militants will be able to continue to be a PITA to Israel, but not a serious challenge
3) It is Iran's interest to keep the issue smoldering - and they have plenty of puppets
3) Iran generates no real exposure to the world for these issues that can not be explained/ignored. People are against Israel because of the Palestinian situation - case closed

1) Their old trick isn't working anymore though. Especially after their latest movement in Yemen; every mindful Arabic should understand that Arabian Middle East is the true target of Iran. If they further advance into the region that would be alarming for future war between the Islamic kingdom and the Persian one. I can tell you of one fact that the hatred-rate toward Iran is all-time-high over here.

Furthermore, now we speculate that if the US would like to unplug life-support from somebody else in the region, likely they could use Iran to do so, which is very smart in both saving US forces and keeping low-profile of her involvement for such operation.

2) Gaza isn't huge to be monitored effectively by Israel, that leads us sometimes to question the Israeli intent of destroying Hamas. Although they smuggle weapons through underground tunnels, I don't think that they train their troops in huge underground complex too.
Point is, it's not for Israel's interest that resistance to be ended, as they would be further pushed into real peace treaty and the solution of two states.

 

[norseamd]

1) Their old trick isn't working anymore though. Especially after their latest movement in Yemen; every mindful Arabic should understand that Arabian Middle East is the true target of Iran. If they further advance into the region that would be alarming for future war between the Islamic kingdom and the Persian one. I can tell you of one fact that the hatred-rate toward Iran is all-time-high over here.

You realize that it was the Saudi government who gave control of Iran to the Revolutionary Islamists?

 

[norseamd]

Furthermore, now we speculate that if the US would like to unplug life-support from somebody else in the region, likely they could use Iran to do so, which is very smart in both saving US forces and keeping low-profile of her involvement for such operation.

What do you mean?

 

[JEDIYoda]

it is omitted on all future reports. hezbollah is now an ally of the united states. israel used to be an ally, but now is pretty much alone. americans are sick of having our leaders kowtow to some apartheid state that every other country on earth is repulsed by.



its done, too bad israelis you should've listened instead of kept yapping and electing douchebags. now we will soon be sending in NATO troops to boot the invading settlers out of palestine. netanyahu won the election at the cost of unmasking the huge israeli conspiracy to conquer the entirety of palestine and ethnically cleanse the area and replace all the native inhabitants with jews. that is their modus operandi


my absolute favorite part about obama is the way he deals with israel. he could do better, like bomb them, but this is about as good as any leader has ever stood up to the israelis in the last two decades at least. newell steamer i have read your posts and you by and large seem like a sensible guy. did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, all the other countries hate israel for good reasons? maybe they are worth hating? usually it is conservatives that stand in the face of all logic and deny the obvious (that israel is a terrible apartheid state that deserves to be sanctioned). every other country has concluded this yet you somehow think you are right and all 6.6 billion other people on earth besides US and israel are wrong?

Wrong!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

1) Their old trick isn't working anymore though. Especially after their latest movement in Yemen; every mindful Arabic should understand that Arabian Middle East is the true target of Iran. If they further advance into the region that would be alarming for future war between the Islamic kingdom and the Persian one. I can tell you of one fact that the hatred-rate toward Iran is all-time-high over here.

Furthermore, now we speculate that if the US would like to unplug life-support from somebody else in the region, likely they could use Iran to do so, which is very smart in both saving US forces and keeping low-profile of her involvement for such operation.

2) Gaza isn't huge to be monitored effectively by Israel, that leads us sometimes to question the Israeli intent of destroying Hamas. Although they smuggle weapons through underground tunnels, I don't think that they train their troops in huge underground complex too.
Point is, it's not for Israel's interest that resistance to be ended, as they would be further pushed into real peace treaty and the solution of two states.

US will never turn its back on Israel...so sorry!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

its a pathway, without the us protecting israel the UN will be able to send troops and actually use force to make israel comply. their leaders could be tried for war crimes and they could be sanctioned until they give up their nuclear weapons. -- Just wow you really hate Israel!! What did they do to you? Take a dump in your Wheaties?


Israel needs to be disarmed at all costs. if there is a single country that is most likely to use nuclear weapons and has demonstrated that it doesnt give a crap about non-jews at all it is israel, they would gladly nuke washington if it would save the goldman family. -- They day Israel disarms is the day there will be no Israel!!
Israel has had nukes for how long? You mean to tell me they wi8ll use the nukes just because they have the nukes?? They will use the nukes as a very last resort.....so I don`t see how you honestly believe Israel will use the nukes the first chance they get...

this is the start of a new era. if obama can dismatntle the relationship we have with israel and build a new one with jordan and syria then we have zero need for israel. they dont have oil and they dont have anything worth money.



happy days guys

Are you an idiot or what??

 

[norseamd]

Bickering inbound.

 

[Omar F1]

No I would like to interact with both Sunni and Shiites. My point is that we have given interaction to the Sunni for the last decades but because the Iranians overthrew the American oil supplier in the Iranian Shah we have treated most of the Shiites in the world with exaggerated hate and dismissal. Granted we did interact with the Iraqi Shiites in their rebellion against Hussein but than again we never actually gave them real support and Hussein slaughtered them after their rebellion was not able to work together.

I misunderstood your earlier post, yet you have posted an article that supports my concern

Not fully trusting the Iranians but it is worth reading the opinion.
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2015/03/19/iran_could_be_a_credible_ally_111060.html

Fuck. The ISIS is going to use the returning power of the Shiites to try to recruit the Yemen Sunni to join the ISIS in the Jihadist crusade.

The last thing the Yemeni people really need is ISIS, as they already have enough tribes, militias, and they even have one small Jewish tribe who have been safely living there - as I heard from some Yemeni people.

 

[JEDIYoda]

And if Obama pursues this change it's going to affect the Democratic Presidential candidate, and not in a good way.

Fern

exactly!! In fact I always voter Democrat......there are millions like myself that will vote republican is the US under Obama turns on Israel.....

The next President will for certain be a Republican.

 

[Omar F1]

US will never turn its back on Israel...so sorry!!

That indeed will never happen by any price, and I personally never said otherwise

 

[norseamd]

I misunderstood your earlier post, yet you have posted an article that supports my concern

No I want balance. My point is not that I think the Iranians are good but that America overall tends to work in black and white which is terrible. Because of that we have never even made much diplomatic talk with the Iranians. We sold them weapons even when we were not talking to them. So what I want is not to support them over Sunni countries but to stop treating them as black enemies and interact with them as equally as we do with the Sunni countries. As for the article that is why I put out some cautious words because I could tell the article was out there as far as not being realistic or relative but I mentioned it because we have lots of articles of the same shit but from the other side so I thought it was a viewpoint that was good to read for balance.

The last thing the Yemeni people really need is ISIS, as they already have enough tribes, militias, and they even have one small Jewish tribe who have been safely living there - as I heard from some Yemeni people.

This was the article I thought I put up with that comment. Plus I do not want the Iranians to own that area but there are numerous independent and diverse sects in that area that the Saudi government is oppressing. Fact is that the Southwest Saudi Arabian areas need to have their own countries along with the North Yemen communities. The North Yemen dictator conquering South Yemen just because he could and also to add to his power was in the long run just fucking terrible for everyone.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...-foray-into-yemen/+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[norseamd]

Also concerning. Now we have no ideal faction in Egypt and 2 warring factions of shitholes.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...s-nahdawi-nahdawy/+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Omar F1]

You realize that it was the Saudi government who gave control of Iran to the Revolutionary Islamists?

No I don't, do you claim that SA did help Khomeini raise into power of Iran, or all what they did was the toppling of Shah?

What do you mean?

Actually if you understand the mutual feeling between Iran and some other Arabic countries, then US got an excellent choice after publicly announcing their strong old-new alliance with Iran, in which they could be used mainly to attack a regional country if needed in the future, and the Iranians could easily provide religious justification to their followers, like they already did at Syria.

We already heard some claims about some US-Iran coordination before Afghanistan 2001 and Iraq 2003.

 

[MongGrel]

exactly!! In fact I always voter Democrat......there are millions like myself that will vote republican is the US under Obama turns on Israel.....

The next President will for certain be a Republican.

And maybe not.

 

[norseamd]

No I don't, do you claim that SA did help Khomeini raise into power of Iran, or all what they did was the toppling of Shah?

That they put in power the Revolutionary Islamists the same way they created the ISIS. Through their own petty meddling in dumb shit.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...h-oil-markets-iran/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[norseamd]

Hey Jediyoda thought you were actually residing in Israelistan? Did you just vote for Netanyahu now?

 

[Fern]

You realize that it was the Saudi government who gave control of Iran to the Revolutionary Islamists?

I've never heard of this. Can you explain further pls?

TIA

Fern

 

[Fern]

-snip-
So what I want is not to support them over Sunni countries but to stop treating them as black enemies and interact with them as equally as we do with the Sunni countries.

They're treated like that because they act like that. They have a long history of terroristic acts virtually all over the world. Accordingly, they should not be treated equally as countries that do not engage in such whole scale terrorism.

Presently, I don't see much point in talking to them. Their objectives are in direct conflict with ours. We're enemies. If they want to disavow terrorism and drop their objectives, fine. But I see much zero chance of that.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Hey Jediyoda thought you were actually residing in Israelistan? Did you just vote for Netanyahu now?

Doesn't matter where he resides.

Over here citizens can vote in elections no matter where they reside. I bet there is a pretty sizable community of US citizens residing in Israel. Many will be dual citizens.

Fern

 

[norseamd]

I've never heard of this. Can you explain further pls?

Read the link that I gave Omar from just above here.

 

[Omar F1]

That they put in power the Revolutionary Islamists the same way they created the ISIS. Through their own petty meddling in dumb shit.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...h-oil-markets-iran/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I read the article and as I understand that SA was a keystone in the fall of Shah, but you have also to note that they didn't had any control over whom possibly could have replaced him. SA never meant to put Khomeini in power over there.

Additionally, I'd like to mention that we're in disagreement when some people believe that Arabian-Gulf region is completely independent and sovereign by itself. Contrary to that, you'd find many Arabs who claim there is nothing major that could possibly happen here in ME without either US implicit or explicit agreement.

Based on that idea, whenever A.Gulf region being criticized for any critical rule, you'd find us questioning the US rule in that regard.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Additionally, I'd like to mention that we're in disagreement when some people believe that Arabian-Gulf region is completely independent and sovereign by itself. Contrary to that, you'd find many Arabs who claim there is nothing major that could possibly happen here in ME without either US implicit or explicit agreement.

Based on that idea, whenever A.Gulf region being criticized for any critical rule, you'd find us questioning the US rule in that regard.

so what are you smoking again??

 

[norseamd]

I read the article and as I understand that SA was a keystone in the fall of Shah, but you have also to note that they didn't had any control over whom possibly could have replaced him. SA never meant to put Khomeini in power over there.

And obviously the US was just as responsible for the rise of the Revolutionary Islamists because of the overthrow of Mosaddegh and the support for the corrupt Shah.

 

[fskimospy]

Talk of the USA using force against Israel is beyond stupid.

IMO, Obama and the Democrats need to be damn careful with the subject of Israel. Israel has a lot of popular support among (non-Jewish) Americans. Trying to turn away from Israel and move toward the Palestinians and Iran will not be popular except among the relatively few hard core lefties.

People think a ridiculously high percentage of voters already think Obama is a Muslim. It'll go much higher.

And if Obama pursues this change it's going to affect the Democratic Presidential candidate, and not in a good way.

Fern

Very few Americans base their vote in any way on US policy towards Israel and the ones who do and weren't hard core republican voters anyway live in overwhelmingly blue states for the most part.

I doubt it will have a meaningful impact on the presidential election. You have the evangelicals who love Israel who weren't going to vote for a Democrat anyway and then you have the orthodox who usually live in blue states.

People just don't care about Israel that much. That's probably something Israel should keep in mind too, haha.