UPDATE: Uggg... in a real mess with the roommate and financials.

fuzzybabybunny

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This is probably going to be rather long, so apologies in advance.

Roommate's name is Mike:
  • 1. Father is a truck driver. Currently demand for truck drivers is very low, so he has no work. Makes less than $30,000 a year.
  • 2. Step-mother is a stay at home mother taking care of a 7-year-old and 17-year-old who do not get along with each other.
  • 3. Family hasn't filed taxes in three years.
  • 4. Family has big credit card debt. They have no credit, and any amount they earn will have to go directly towards living expenses and paying off debt.

Mike:
  • 1. 18 years old, high school graduate, ~3.5GPA, doesn't drink, shy, could have gone to college on a football scholarship but his family did not have the financial standing to complete his FAFSA. So FAFSA and scholarship went bye-bye.
  • 2. Plans to be a physical education major.
  • 3. Fed up with his family and wants to go out on his own, hence him moving in with me.
  • 4. Plans to work full time for a full year to get finances in order so that he can file as an independent during the 2008-2009 school year. Sidenote: Because he has no credit, he might not be able to get student loans when this time comes, and he has no family members with good enough credit to sign for him.
  • 5. Has no credit.
  • 6. Works as a telemarketer from 8:30AM-4PM, then works at a pizzeria-like place from MIDNIGHT to 4AM, 5 days a week.
  • 7. He uses my bike to get to and from work. He doesn't have a bike or car.
  • 8. He saved up $1500 during high school, but gave $1000+ of this to his parents to help them pay for bills and groceries.
  • 9. I've know him since August 15th, when he moved in.
Situation:
  • 1. It took him ten minutes to move in. He has nothing.
  • 2. He needed to pay the rent for August ($350) plus a security deposit ($350)
  • 3. Because he has no credit, in order for him to sign the lease he has to either:

    a. Get someone with credit to co-sign. His entire family doesn't have credit. Co-signing is out.

    b. Pay double the rent. Pay the rent for August plus an additional $350.
  • 4. He has not signed the lease yet.
  • 5. He has $400.
  • 6. Rent for September is due on Saturday. Another $350.
  • 7. He will need to pay this much by Saturday:

    $350 (August rent) + $350 (extra rent to sign lease) + $350 (September rent) = $1050

    The security deposit can be postponed a few months through a special arrangement.
  • 8. So he's $650 short.
My family and I have the ability to lend him this money.

If he gets kicked out, because my name is the only name on the lease at this point, I will be stuck paying double rent each month until I can find a replacement roommate, which may be tough because the school year has already started.

If you were in my shoes would you lend him this money with a Promissory Note backing it?

NOTE: A decision needs to be reached at tonight, if possible. If he needs to leave, I'll need him to leave immediately as I will need to find someone to fill his vacant lot so that I'm not stuck paying more double rents.

Concerns:

If he keeps his jobs as they are now and is able to maintain his currently level of financial gain, he will be able to pay me back and start paying for his own rent/bills/living expenses. However, it seems like his current level of employment is quite demanding and I'm uncertain if he can maintain this level.

UPDATE

Mike came back today and went directly to the main office. At this point he doesn't even know that I'm considering spotting him the money that he needs. When he came back, he starts packing up his things. He tells me that the landlord wouldn't work with him, so he turned in his key right then and there. He still doesn't know that I am considering spotting him cash. I say, "what if someone let you borrow $700?" He said that he would refuse because that is too much to owe someone and he would feel uncomfortable. He looked at me and I knew that he understood I was perhaps offering him $700. He also admitted that he wouldn't be able to pay them back for probably another few months.

Here's the kicker.

Last night while out with his girlfriend celebrating her birthday, he was really bummed out and feeling really guilty, knowing that he just couldn't come up with the money. Turns out he posted a roommate ad for me and actually managed to find someone who may take his place, because he understood that I would need to pay for his half of the rent once he gets kicked out and that it wouldn't be fair for me.

He also said that his step-mom and dad were really grateful to me for letting him borrow my bike and laptop.

:(

UPDATE - 9/1/07

Well, he meant well, but I had him forward the roommate request reply emails to me and I am 99% certain that they are scams. Considering Mike's age and inexperience, I can certainly understand why he didn't notice this.

One person said she was from the Benin Republic (Nigeria). This in itself is not too suspect because the area where I live has a lot of international students, including a lot from African nations like Nigeria. But the entire email just smelled fishy. Too nice, weird use of English, "INTERESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" as the title, etc.

Another person said she was from London. I looked up her "name" and the results turned up a scam email someone posted with almost the same format and wording as the email she sent Mike.
 

Vette73

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You can lend it, but I doubt you will ever see it again.

Also he needs to file something saying he is removing himself from his parnets so that way when he files the Federal form for Fin. Aid he will not have to put his parents on it.
And then tell him to be a waiter/pizza hauler so he will make decent money and can get tips wihtout hurting his Fin. Aid chances.
 

xanis

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Hmm this is a tough one. On one hand I can clearly see why you want to help the guy out. I can also see why it would cost you way too much money. I would lend him the money this one time. If he tries to do it again I think you need to tell him to find another place.
 

Saint Michael

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It doesn't sound like he's an old friend of yours, and you surely have your own problems to deal with. While altruism may sound enticing, the fact of the matter is there are plenty of people out there who are down on their luck, and you aren't obligated, nor can you, help each and every one of them. Even if you lent him money in the hopes that he can get onto his feet independently of his family, you are in no position to know if he is that reliable. It is really unethical for him to even put you in a position to ask us this question.
 

spidey07

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That vicious cycle is only going to get worse.

Do not associate with this guy any longer.
 

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
# Mike:

# 1. 18 years old, high school graduate, ~3.5GPA, doesn't drink, shy, could have gone to college on a football scholarship but his family did not have the financial standing to complete his FAFSA. So FAFSA and scholarship went bye-bye.
What does this mean? Both parents' income is less than $30K.
 

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Depends on how well you know him. If you're pretty sure he will not bail on you and lending the $$ will not put you or your family in a difficult spot, why not help the kid out? It sounds like you do know him, and even if things do not work out ~$650 is a pretty small amount to pay for piece of mind rather than shafting a kid who's been dealt a poor hand and sounds like he has a solid plan to dig himself out.

He already has 2 jobs, so it's not like he's going to be sitting around on his ass for the month. Work out a payment schedule based on when he gets paid.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: Saint Michael
It doesn't sound like he's an old friend of yours, and you surely have your own problems to deal with. While altruism may sound enticing, the fact of the matter is there are plenty of people out there who are down on their luck, and you aren't obligated, nor can you, help each and every one of them. Even if you lent him money in the hopes that he can get onto his feet independently of his family, you are in no position to know if he is that reliable. It is really unethical for him to even put you in a position to ask us this question.

Points taken.

A HUGE factor in this problem is timing. He never considered his lack of credit would be a problem.

He came in with $350+ set aside for rent and bills and what he thought was a positive ability to pay for the first month's rent. He was then planning on getting work immediately (which he did) to start saving up for next month's rent.

Unfortunately the lack of credit showed up, the double rent showed up, and September's rent showed up, all converging at this one point in time.
 

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Originally posted by: Xanis
Hmm this is a tough one. On one hand I can clearly see why you want to help the guy out. I can also see why it would cost you way too much money. I would lend him the money this one time. If he tries to do it again I think you need to tell him to find another place.
I'd do the same probably. Sounds he's just sort of been dealt a bad hand and needs to get on his feet.

It's not like he's some mooching pothead bum or something, he graduated with a 3.5 GPA and is working two jobs (sh!t, he must not get much sleep from that schedule you posted OP) to try and make ends meet.
 

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Originally posted by: richardycc
what makes you think he won't be short again next month? then what?

I don't think he will be short because he is already working two jobs which will be enough to cover his monthly bills and living expenses. It just so happens that he currently cannot afford the all-at-once chunk of change that is required of him to start his lease.

He's just starting his jobs right now and needs money to give him solid footing during this starting period while he establishes his own financial footing.
 

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Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Depends on how well you know him. If you're pretty sure he will not bail on you and lending the $$ will not put you or your family in a difficult spot, why not help the kid out? It sounds like you do know him, and even if things do not work out ~$650 is a pretty small amount to pay for piece of mind rather than shafting a kid who's been dealt a poor hand and sounds like he has a solid plan to dig himself out.

He already has 2 jobs, so it's not like he's going to be sitting around on his ass for the month. Work out a payment schedule based on when he gets paid.

I agree
 

novasatori

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He should have no problem getting student loans provided he isn't making too much money.

I had no credit when I applied for them and got loans and grants out the wazoo.
Its really a hard decision on one side it could be OK, I mean he is working, isn't he? He is willing to pay. The biggest problem is he probably feels obligated to help his family which could turn out bad if he winds up giving them all his money and not paying bills.

Need more info for a solid decision though, like how much he makes montly, and what he spends/keeps monthly.
 

nanette1985

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That's not the way the FAFSA works - he won't be able to file as an independent for quite a few years.

I would strongly suggest that you find someone else to get involved with his situation - Dean? Minister? Somebody. He's going to need it.

Giving his family money rather than taking care of his own obligations is a big red flag. It's a good thing, but it means that YOU are taking the hit for this. It isn't a good sign.

Start looking for someone else. If he gets his act together and pays the money, you can let him stay. Otherwise, get that other person involved (advisor, ANYBODY) to make sure he has a roof over his head.

Best to you. Hope it all works out.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Depends on how well you know him. If you're pretty sure he will not bail on you and lending the $$ will not put you or your family in a difficult spot, why not help the kid out? It sounds like you do know him, and even if things do not work out ~$650 is a pretty small amount to pay for piece of mind rather than shafting a kid who's been dealt a poor hand and sounds like he has a solid plan to dig himself out.

He already has 2 jobs, so it's not like he's going to be sitting around on his ass for the month. Work out a payment schedule based on when he gets paid.

I've only known him since August 15th. But I do tend to agree, as do my parents, who do want to help him out (within reason).
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Depends on how well you know him. If you're pretty sure he will not bail on you and lending the $$ will not put you or your family in a difficult spot, why not help the kid out? It sounds like you do know him, and even if things do not work out ~$650 is a pretty small amount to pay for piece of mind rather than shafting a kid who's been dealt a poor hand and sounds like he has a solid plan to dig himself out.

He already has 2 jobs, so it's not like he's going to be sitting around on his ass for the month. Work out a payment schedule based on when he gets paid.

I've only known him since August 15th. But I do tend to agree, as do my parents, who do want to help him out (within reason).

Here's another more plausable explanation...

You're getting conned.
1) sob story? check
2) I'm just trying to help my family? check
3) I've had a hard life. check
4) Everything will be just fine once <insert event> happens? check

Seriously, can you not see this? As far as you know can prove, he doesn't even have a job.
 

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What about his "birth mother": is she still living?
Is there maybe a closet he could put a sleeping bag, and use that for a few months, until his bank account improves?
Sign up a 3rd "room mate" and split the fees between the two of them.
I'd definitely suggest that he provide his own transportation.
Get a used 10-speed at the local Salvation Army or Goodwill store.
 

fuzzybabybunny

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: mooglemania85
Depends on how well you know him. If you're pretty sure he will not bail on you and lending the $$ will not put you or your family in a difficult spot, why not help the kid out? It sounds like you do know him, and even if things do not work out ~$650 is a pretty small amount to pay for piece of mind rather than shafting a kid who's been dealt a poor hand and sounds like he has a solid plan to dig himself out.

He already has 2 jobs, so it's not like he's going to be sitting around on his ass for the month. Work out a payment schedule based on when he gets paid.

I've only known him since August 15th. But I do tend to agree, as do my parents, who do want to help him out (within reason).

Here's another more plausable explanation...

You're getting conned.
1) sob story? check
2) I'm just trying to help my family? check
3) I've had a hard life. check
4) Everything will be just fine once <insert event> happens? check

Seriously, can you not see this? As far as you know can prove, he doesn't even have a job.

It's certainly plausible, and I'll keep it in mind. I'm definitely not a stranger to getting conned.

However, I don't know if it is MORE plausible, and I'm not sure how you can say it is so without even being in the situation yourself.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: spidey07
That vicious cycle is only going to get worse.

Do not associate with this guy any longer.

How do you come to that conclusion? :confused: The kid is working two jobs, has a decent GPA, and shows no signs of having problems other than a family that is unable to offer any assistance.

Fuzzy-I applaud you for trying to help this kid. Hope it works out.
 

Balt

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Originally posted by: fuzzybabybunny
Originally posted by: richardycc
what makes you think he won't be short again next month? then what?

I don't think he will be short because he is already working two jobs which will be enough to cover his monthly bills and living expenses. It just so happens that he currently cannot afford the all-at-once chunk of change that is required of him to start his lease.

He's just starting his jobs right now and needs money to give him solid footing during this starting period while he establishes his own financial footing.

Is he also making enough to pay for his incidental expenses? There are always things that pop up that you never expect but you still have to pay for. For example, does he have a car that looks like it might leave a transmission on the street?

It's all about his financial situation. If you think it's solid, go for it. If it's not, then it's possible that his financial problems are going to become your financial problems when he can't pay the rent.

Edit: Yikes, you've only known the guy since August 15th? That's kinda risky. :-/
 

spidey07

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: spidey07
That vicious cycle is only going to get worse.

Do not associate with this guy any longer.

How do you come to that conclusion? :confused: The kid is working two jobs, has a decent GPA, and shows no signs of having problems other than a family that is unable to offer any assistance.

Fuzzy-I applaud you for trying to help this kid. Hope it works out.

Because it smells like a big load of crap to me. As presented there are some serious 'been there, done that, won't do it again' flags. It just stinks of a con job.

The whole background just smells fishy. It's wrapped up all neat and pulling on every heart string there is.

Just a warning, that's all. The big, glaring and deafening flags went off when fuzzy said he's only known him a few weeks.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: spidey07
That vicious cycle is only going to get worse.

Do not associate with this guy any longer.

How do you come to that conclusion? :confused: The kid is working two jobs, has a decent GPA, and shows no signs of having problems other than a family that is unable to offer any assistance.

Fuzzy-I applaud you for trying to help this kid. Hope it works out.

Because it smells like a big load of crap to me. As presented there are some serious 'been there, done that, won't do it again' flags. It just stinks of a con job.

The whole background just smells fishy. It's wrapped up all neat and pulling on every heart string there is.

Just a warning, that's all. The big, glaring and deafening flags went off when fuzzy said he's only known him a few weeks.

Your last point is the one that sets off the most bells here as well. However, I'm trying not to be too cynical...after all, the kid is only 18 years old. Most people don't learn to be so deceitful until much later in life.