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Update: Toyota's Relentless pursuit to be #1

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TOKYO -- Toyota Motor Corp. is quickening its quest to unseat ailing rival General Motors Corp. as the world's biggest automaker with reported plans to start manufacturing up to 100,000 vehicles at a Subaru factory in Indiana.

Word of Toyota's ramped-up production schedule comes just days after money-losing GM said it will close 12 facilities by 2008 in a move that will slash the number of vehicles it is able to build in North America by about 1 million a year.

The combined developments could help Toyota surpass GM in worldwide production, although it is unclear if that could happen, because Detroit-based GM is growing rapidly in Asia. Tokyo-based Toyota expects to products 8.1 million vehicles this year, while GM expects 9 million, according to Greg Gardner of Harbour Consulting.

Chipping away at GM's lead also will be a new Toyota pickup truck plant scheduled to open next year in San Antonio that will add 200,000 vehicles to Toyota's annual capacity. The Japanese company's output will be boosted by 100,000 vehicles in 2008, when Toyota's new RAV 4 plant comes online in Canada.

Under the latest expansion plans, the world's No. 2 automaker has asked Fuji Heavy Industries, maker of Subaru autos, to start building Toyotas in 2007 at a Lafayette, Ind., factory operated by Fuji's wholly owned subsidiary Subaru of Indiana Automotive, the Asahi newspaper reported Wednesday, without citing sources.

Company representatives were unavailable for comment Wednesday because of a national holiday in Japan.

There are five to six candidate models for production, the paper said, with the number manufactured annually to gradually increase to 100,000 vehicles. Earlier reports have suggested that Toyota might produce hybrid vehicles at the Fuji plant.

The Indiana plant produced about 120,000 Subaru models last year.

GM lost about $4 billion in the first nine months of the year as it struggled against falling sales, rising health care costs and a U.S. market share that has wither to 26 percent from 33 percent a decade ago.

The plant closings, which will entail 30,000 job cuts, are meant to shave $7 billion off its $42 billion annual bill for operations by the end of next year, including a $3 billion cut in health care costs.

Toyota, by contrast, is on pace to set a fourth-straight year of record profits.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0511/23/0auto-392197.htm

TOKYO -- Like a great tanker holding its course through stormy seas, Toyota Motor Corp. is gaining share in the world's most competitive markets and steaming ahead with new technology. Already the world's richest automaker, it is on track to become the largest.

With General Motors Corp. losing ground in its home market, Toyota's path to the top seems unobstructed.

Yet Toyota's top managers aren't satisfied. Instead of pausing to savor their achievements, they are ramping up capacity, stepping up the pace for 265,000 employees worldwide and inducing a level of pressure that companies usually face in times of crisis.

At a briefing last month in Tokyo, Toyota executives appeared uneasy discussing the company's epic transformation from challenger venturing cautiously into new markets to the new champion in everyone's sights.

After outlining the company's strengths and weaknesses, new Chief Executive Katsuaki Watanabe glumly concluded, "There's still room for improvement." Sitting to his right in a hotel suite, Toyota's head of overseas operations, Tokuichi Uranishi, nodded in assent.

Most rivals would happily swap their problems for Toyota's. Its high profitability slightly lags that of Nissan Motor Corp., low-cost Asian rivals are coming on the scene, and recalls are rising along with sales.

But the most daunting challenge may be the consequences of the automaker's success - the arrogance and complacency that can set in at even the finest companies.

When Toyota announced three years ago that it was gunning for 15 percent of the world market, the bold declaration was widely perceived as a shot across GM's bow. The U.S. automaker has a 14.4 percent global market share this year.

But Akio Toyoda, grandson of the founder and a senior company executive, says that objective has been misunderstood. "That's not a target," Toyoda told The Detroit News. "That's a banner to rally people to make greater effort."
http://detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051127/AUTO01/511270335
 
Originally posted by: tw1164
Good for Toyota! Hit them (GM) while they're weak!

Apparently GM is just a company, and does not employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly, and it's collapse would have no affect on the economy.

Try to remember that it's more than just a massive company going under, it's many many cities and neighborhoods, as well.

 
Couldn't toyota buy all the plants GM is dumping, and probably hire up the layed off workers as well?

I think thats a much better strategy then the buying out of GM by toyota some people have suggested. Buying GM would mean buying all their debt and obligations, and why the hell would they want to do that?
 
The difference between Toyota and GM is Toyota makes vehicles the American car-buying public wants to buy. GM has had 30 years to change their ways and they just can't seem to do it. WTF?
 
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Couldn't toyota buy all the plants GM is dumping, and probably hire up the layed off workers as well?

Yes... which is why the closing of the plant in Oshawa, Ontario isn't as big of a deal (except for the city itself) with the new Toyota plant opening up here. Most of them will probably move to Toyota.
 
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: tw1164
Good for Toyota! Hit them (GM) while they're weak!

Apparently GM is just a company, and does not employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly, and it's collapse would have no affect on the economy.

Try to remember that it's more than just a massive company going under, it's many many cities and neighborhoods, as well.

Since I stand in the indirect category I must strongly agree.

The collateral economic damage from GM folding would be enormous.
 
Originally posted by: Looney
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Couldn't toyota buy all the plants GM is dumping, and probably hire up the layed off workers as well?

Yes... which is why the closing of the plant in Oshawa, Ontario isn't as big of a deal (except for the city itself) with the new Toyota plant opening up here. Most of them will probably move to Toyota.

Well, hopefully another manufactorer, if not toyota some one else, will see the opportunity to pick up a cheap plant and snag some willing laborers in the wake of this to alleviate some of the hurt on the economy.
 
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: tw1164
Good for Toyota! Hit them (GM) while they're weak!

Apparently GM is just a company, and does not employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly, and it's collapse would have no affect on the economy.

Try to remember that it's more than just a massive company going under, it's many many cities and neighborhoods, as well.

I don't want GM to fail (go under), but should Toyota sit on their hands? Toyota is opening more factories, and creating new jobs. Toyota has an opportunity to outproduce GM, and they should take it.


*edit: spelling
 
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: tw1164
Good for Toyota! Hit them (GM) while they're weak!

Apparently GM is just a company, and does not employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly, and it's collapse would have no affect on the economy.

Try to remember that it's more than just a massive company going under, it's many many cities and neighborhoods, as well.

Try to remember, too, that THAT'S LIFE, there are no guarantees, and since there's AMPLE time to see it coming, the time to start making alternative plans is NOW. If you're a GM employee, start looking for greener pastures.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: tw1164
Good for Toyota! Hit them (GM) while they're weak!

Apparently GM is just a company, and does not employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly, and it's collapse would have no affect on the economy.

Try to remember that it's more than just a massive company going under, it's many many cities and neighborhoods, as well.

Since I stand in the indirect category I must strongly agree.

The collateral economic damage from GM folding would be enormous.

So what would you like, a government bailout? I've no argument with the idea that GM going tits up would have a big economic impact to the areas where they currently build cars.

Would it be the end of the world? Not likely.

Would people recover and find a new way to make it? Quite likely.

Jason
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: tw1164
Good for Toyota! Hit them (GM) while they're weak!

Apparently GM is just a company, and does not employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly, and it's collapse would have no affect on the economy.

Try to remember that it's more than just a massive company going under, it's many many cities and neighborhoods, as well.

Try to remember, too, that THAT'S LIFE, there are no guarantees, and since there's AMPLE time to see it coming, the time to start making alternative plans is NOW. If you're a GM employee, start looking for greener pastures.

Jason

Evidently, you don't follow. What are the fast food joints, the stores, the suppliers, the people who don't have anything to do with the auto industry who still lose thousands of dollars when the housing value drops, etc. Whole cities cannot just pick up and move.

Meanwhile, you continue to whine that your girlfriend was yelled at when she went to Frys :roll:
 
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: tw1164
Good for Toyota! Hit them (GM) while they're weak!

Apparently GM is just a company, and does not employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly, and it's collapse would have no affect on the economy.

Try to remember that it's more than just a massive company going under, it's many many cities and neighborhoods, as well.

Try to remember, too, that THAT'S LIFE, there are no guarantees, and since there's AMPLE time to see it coming, the time to start making alternative plans is NOW. If you're a GM employee, start looking for greener pastures.

Jason

Evidently, you don't follow. What are the fast food joints, the stores, the suppliers, the people who don't have anything to do with the auto industry who still lose thousands of dollars when the housing value drops, etc. Whole cities cannot just pick up and move.

Meanwhile, you continue to whine that your girlfriend was yelled at when she went to Frys :roll:

There will be an outcry and then it'll bring more regulation, and then... we're going to become a socialist state.

The fact is, people will be hurt, but a city whose economy that is entirely dependent on a single company is bound to fail.
 
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: tw1164
Good for Toyota! Hit them (GM) while they're weak!

Apparently GM is just a company, and does not employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly, and it's collapse would have no affect on the economy.

Try to remember that it's more than just a massive company going under, it's many many cities and neighborhoods, as well.

Since I stand in the indirect category I must strongly agree.

The collateral economic damage from GM folding would be enormous.

So what would you like, a government bailout? I've no argument with the idea that GM going tits up would have a big economic impact to the areas where they currently build cars.

Would it be the end of the world? Not likely.

Would people recover and find a new way to make it? Quite likely.

Jason

No, but you aren't going to see me on here doing something so stupid as actively hoping for their demise (unlike some others).


 
Originally posted by: J0hnny
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: tw1164
Good for Toyota! Hit them (GM) while they're weak!

Apparently GM is just a company, and does not employ hundreds of thousands of people directly and indirectly, and it's collapse would have no affect on the economy.

Try to remember that it's more than just a massive company going under, it's many many cities and neighborhoods, as well.

Try to remember, too, that THAT'S LIFE, there are no guarantees, and since there's AMPLE time to see it coming, the time to start making alternative plans is NOW. If you're a GM employee, start looking for greener pastures.

Jason

Evidently, you don't follow. What are the fast food joints, the stores, the suppliers, the people who don't have anything to do with the auto industry who still lose thousands of dollars when the housing value drops, etc. Whole cities cannot just pick up and move.

Meanwhile, you continue to whine that your girlfriend was yelled at when she went to Frys :roll:

There will be an outcry and then it'll bring more regulation, and then... we're going to become a socialist state.

The fact is, people will be hurt, but a city whose economy that is entirely dependent on a single company is bound to fail.

That's not what I'm saying either. I'm saying don't go screaming how great it will be when GM falls, because it won't be. No where did I say that I wished the govt. would bail them out.
 
Thats right nobody wants to buy any of the 9 million vehicles GM produces :roll:
What the success of all these other companies mean is competition and we get BETTER CARS from everybody because of it. I gew up in the 70's when there were only 3 car companies in NA.
Everybody drove the same thing!

You can't only blame the UAW government rules also dictate what kind of power a union has in how it can perform job actions and why they have so much power over a private company.
Its one of the reasons why gov't will bail out GM if it comes up with an acceptable buisiness model just like they bailed out Chrysler in the 80's.
 
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