UPDATE: SC HS suspends student for wearing "Nobody knows I'm a lesbian" T-shirt

[Londo_Jowo]

So many stories of Southern stupidity coming out lately. Kentucky, Louisiana, Texas, South Carolina. Can't keep track of all of them.

LMAO!!!! As if California isn't ate with the same PC horse shit.

 

[senseamp]

LMAO!!!! As if California isn't ate with the same PC horse shit.

Says a guy with logo of a California company product as his avatar.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Says a guy with logo of a California company product as his avatar.

Still doesn't change the fact that California bans damn near everything that someone may find objectionable.

 

[Moonbeam]

Wait, so the threat of violence from the offended party is enough to quash free speech?

Don't "liberals" claim that in coming out as homosexual, a person puts their very life in their hands and risks being killed by intolerant bigots?

Seems to me then that a shirt proclaiming one's homosexuality raises the possibility of violence against the student and the shirt can be banned.

Is there a rational way to really say when a threat of violence is so real that it needs to be respected? I seem to remember a history in which a black girl was taken to a segregated school by US Marshals.

I have said forever here that we create what we fear and I have thus long anticipated the grown of a fanatical left as a consequence of and in response to the manifestation of a fanatical right, and it's beginning to seem to me that your hyper sensitivity to the left, in my opinion far overblown, may in fact be showing signs of activity.

Why isn't it, I wonder, if there is a threat to people who want to wear an American flag to school on the 5th of May, and they are under threat, we can't just send in the military and wipe out that threat. What ever happened to, "If it's war they want then it's war they'll get."

 

[senseamp]

Still doesn't change the fact that California bans damn near everything that someone may find objectionable.

You need to look up "fact" in the dictionary.

 

[MagickMan]

Still doesn't change the fact that California bans damn near everything that someone may find objectionable.

California is Florida x10.

 

[werepossum]

Well too bad, thanks to phony liberals that have forgotten that when you pick and choose the speech you want to defend it can blowback on you.

All you need is a little violence or the perceived threat of, and poof there goes your first amendment rights in school.

Maybe if the ACLU today fought for the first amendment as diligently as in Skokie were the authorities where trying to limit free speech under the perceived threat of violence,

https://www.aclu.org/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

instead of being banned you can wear your "Nobody knows I'm a lesbian" t-shirt on the front with a US flag on the back in school today.

Court: School was within its rights to ban U.S. flag T-shirts on Cinco de Mayo

You'd think so, but no. The American flag has been ruled by an American court and upheld by an American appellate court as a racist attack on other students which logically can only be answered with violence. She could however wear her "Nobody knows I'm a lesbian" t-shirt on the front with a Mexican flag on the back in an American school today.

And some people still try to pretend that proggies aren't dangerous if unopposed.

i'm curious as to the mental gymnastics required to defend that 'free speech', but not this one.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-court-flag-protest-20150329-story.html

Agreed.

No gymnastics required, only "Left good, right bad."

The authoritarian left are no different than the radical right wingers they hate. They just have different targets for their scorn.

Morally I agree. Practically however I disagree because the progressives are advancing their agenda and American social conservatives are everywhere in retreat. I can't think of a single American social conservative position that isn't being dismantled. ('Course, I can't think of a single American social conservative position that isn't in need of being dismantled either . . .)

EDIT: Oops, just thought of one that is actually in advance - teaching intelligent design along side (or even in place of) evolution. (Or as we call it in the church, evilution - don't make me say a prayer against you!)

 

[JockoJohnson]

Oops, just thought of one that is actually in advance - teaching intelligent design along side (or even in place of) evolution. (Or as we call it in the church, evilution - don't make me say a prayer against you!)

Change is not always a good thing. Intelligent Design is one such change that needs to go away. Caring so much about what offends people is another. In a crowd of people, someone will always be offended by any perceived minor infraction. Why do we have to go to the least common denominator? I'm offended that I have to worry about everyone else's feelings being hurt by speech, be it words or symbols.

 

[Moonbeam]

You'd think so, but no. The American flag has been ruled by an American court and upheld by an American appellate court as a racist attack on other students which logically can only be answered with violence. She could however wear her "Nobody knows I'm a lesbian" t-shirt on the front with a Mexican flag on the back in an American school today.

And some people still try to pretend that proggies aren't dangerous if unopposed.


Agreed.


Morally I agree. Practically however I disagree because the progressives are advancing their agenda and American social conservatives are everywhere in retreat. I can't think of a single American social conservative position that isn't being dismantled. ('Course, I can't think of a single American social conservative position that isn't in need of being dismantled either . . .)

EDIT: Oops, just thought of one that is actually in advance - teaching intelligent design along side (or even in place of) evolution. (Or as we call it in the church, evilution - don't make me say a prayer against you!)

You have a brain defective notion of what a progressive is. The authoritarian left is not progressive. There is nothing progressive about authoritarianism. There is nothing liberal about it either. It's just a different expression of the conservative brain defect motivated by hate and fear. It's just another face of madness.

 

[BoberFett]

You have a brain defective notion of what a progressive is. The authoritarian left is not progressive. There is nothing progressive about authoritarianism. There is nothing liberal about it either. It's just a different expression of the conservative brain defect motivated by hate and fear. It's just another face of madness.

Interesting. So Julie Bindel - the feminist writer for a UK paper who recently stated that all men should be put into camps and hopes that heterosexuality is eliminated - is actually a conservative?

I'd imagine that a "conservative" writer at a national publication who proposed putting all women in camps and hoping that homosexuality was eliminated would be quickly fired. Yet Julie Bindel remains happily employed.

Why the different handling of "conservative" brain defects? Are there different types of "conservative" brain defects? Which kind of CBD do "liberals" suffer from? And why is the treatment of their illness different?

 

[bshole]

Weird that students at American high schools are more worried about making political statements than learning. Perhaps that explains why America is no longer in the top 10 and will soon fall from the top 20 education systems in the world. Our race towards mediocrity continues unabated....

 

[justoh]

A good high-school education is expensive. Just saying. Why should everyone have one?

 

[sm625]

This story makes a fine argument for school uniforms. Too much time is spent on this trivial crap. Before students become so concerned with exercising their constitutional rights, they need to learn a thing or two about the world. It is easier to focus on that mission when the students conform to a strict dress code.

 

[shira]

Weird that students at American high schools are more worried about making political statements than learning. Perhaps that explains why America is no longer in the top 10 and will soon fall from the top 20 education systems in the world. Our race towards mediocrity continues unabated....

How do you get from a message on a student's t-shirt to the conclusion that this student, or any other student, with a t-shirt message cares "more about making political statements than learning?" Seems to me that students can easily make a decision as to what clothes to purchase/wear during their off-school time, and spend their actual school-time engaged in the learning process.

 

[Anubis]

me thinks the shirt I used to wear in HS that said "I committed Suicide" would not fly in that place

 

[pmv]

Weird that students at American high schools are more worried about making political statements than learning. Perhaps that explains why America is no longer in the top 10 and will soon fall from the top 20 education systems in the world. Our race towards mediocrity continues unabated....

Or, its weird that American high schools are more worried about policing innocuous statements on students' clothing than about teaching.

Perhaps they've given up on the latter, so are stuck for something to occupy their time?

Or, more charitably, its just that they don't like slogans that are potentially paradoxical or self-refuting, and thus make people's brains hurt with the effort of thinking about it?

To be honest, on reading the title I assumed the student concerned would be male, and that they were suspended for making a weak joke that someone thought was unPC.

 

[MagickMan]

me thinks the shirt I used to wear in HS that said "I committed Suicide" would not fly in that place

I got in trouble for wearing Suicidal Tendencies and Iron Maiden shirts (forced to turn them inside-out), though Molly Hatchet and Black Sabbath seemed to be a-okay.

 

[Moonbeam]

Interesting. So Julie Bindel - the feminist writer for a UK paper who recently stated that all men should be put into camps and hopes that heterosexuality is eliminated - is actually a conservative?

I'd imagine that a "conservative" writer at a national publication who proposed putting all women in camps and hoping that homosexuality was eliminated would be quickly fired. Yet Julie Bindel remains happily employed.

Why the different handling of "conservative" brain defects? Are there different types of "conservative" brain defects? Which kind of CBD do "liberals" suffer from? And why is the treatment of their illness different?

I know nothing about the person you named, but if she actually is as you described, that is a view that would make a textbook example of fear and hate, and imply the presence of a conservative wired brain

 

[IronWing]

School uniforms are such a good idea.

 

[WelshBloke]

I know nothing about the person you named, but if she actually is as you described, that is a view that would make a textbook example of fear and hate, and imply the presence of a conservative wired brain

She writes for the Guardian and has a problem with transsexuals.

I must admit that I don't read a lot of her stuff and certainly haven't read the stuff posted above. She is quite sarky though, so she may well have written that to push a few buttons.

 

[thraashman]

Wait, so the threat of violence from the offended party is enough to quash free speech?

Don't "liberals" claim that in coming out as homosexual, a person puts their very life in their hands and risks being killed by intolerant bigots?

Seems to me then that a shirt proclaiming one's homosexuality raises the possibility of violence against the student and the shirt can be banned.

It's certainly a risk if you live somewhere like Texas or any other conservative bastions.

As far as the shirt, I don't believe a student should be banned from freedom of expression so long as that expression does not involve explicitly banned things (drugs, profanity, etc). However I also can see a schools interest in banning students open displays or expressions of sexuality. So I'm not entirely for this school's actions, but I'm also not entirely against it. Either way I'm sure the school handled it poorly, they always do nowadays.... At least she wasn't carrying a clock.

 

[sourceninja]

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[unokitty]

LMAO!!!! As if California isn't ate with the same PC horse shit.

Please... Someone may find your post offensive.

University of California May Codify Right to Not Be Offended: Intolerant of intolerance

If the University of California cannot abide heterodox speech and ideas — indeed, if they feel so insecure about their own preferred narratives that they cannot successfully defend them in open debate — why should California spend billions of dollars keeping their doors open? If these universities cannot do anything more than indoctrinate people on their narrow and fragile worldview rather than educate people through true freedom of expression and access, then the UC Board of Regents are signing what should be the death warrant of their ideological camps. Let the regents find work in the private sector, and see how far they get with demanding the right not to be offended.

Just a caution that once their new policy is approved, the UC universities have promised to "respond promptly and effectively" to any report of intolerant behavior...

Free speech? How quaint!

Uno

 

[Subyman]

It really isn't about the message on the shirt. It is about if whatever the shirt shows causes a disruption in class. If there was a disruption or attention taken away from teacher then it "may" be appropriate to have the shirt changed. However, normally the teacher calling out the student and marching them to the office to change their shirt is much more disruptive than any utterance caused by the shirt.

Whatever it is, the school usually has free reign when it comes to attire.

 

[OutHouse]

Last year i went to vegas and bought my kid a Tee- shirt from Jimmy Buffets restaurant that had a picture of a cabana and a margarita with the words Margarita-Ville. He wore it to school (10th grade) and He was told to turn it inside out or to call us to take him home. He asked why and the principal told him that the shirt is promoting alcohol use.....