Update:Police Shoot and Kill Man for Watering Lawn, Family Awarded 6.5 M

[brycejones]

Agreed. OP, stop using sources that paint a completely one-sided picture of things.

That said, this was completely screwed up. It shouldn't be OK for cops to shoot first and ask questions later. Unless there was clear evidence of the guy being an imminent threat to kill or harm someone and there was no other way of subduing him, shooting should not have been an option.

The result in the case (a monetary verdict) isn't really justice in any way, it just gives money to the family, but the perpetrators of the crime get away with no repercussions.

Agreed, and I appreciate that you took a rational view of the case opposed to the OP who sounds like a drama queen anymore.

 

[BoberFett]

These kinds of dumb comments are not helpful. Just because there are some bad cops does not make them all bad.

Go to your local police station and request a ride along on a Saturday night. It might do you some good.

Yeah, I've heard beating perps into a pulp can be therapeutic. Maybe they'll let me get in a few good whacks.

And yes, almost all cops are bad, because very few are willing to defy the blue wall of silence.

 

[BoberFett]

And this type of sociopathic view is why it's impossible to take you seriously in anything you post.

Logic is sociopathic?

If cops are firing on citizens with no provocation, it's only logical that citizens who believe they're in danger will defend themselves. I for one don't feel bad for dead cops, as they've created this situation themselves. Instead of de-escalating situations, they do the exact opposite and put on a show of force. Shock and awe, baby.

 

[master_shake_]

aren't they supposed to tell you to drop your weapon and lay down?

not just open fire and that's it...

 

[Kadarin]

aren't they supposed to tell you to drop your weapon and lay down?

not just open fire and that's it...

They were "following proper established procedure"...

 

[Jaskalas]

aren't they supposed to tell you to drop your weapon and lay down?

not just open fire and that's it...

What IF they shouted something at him? Outcome is still the same.

Human instinct is to turn to face the threat or noise being made. He'd still be holding that nozzle in his hand until he could look at, identify the police, recognize the command they issued and the threat they pose... and react properly in order to drop it. That's a LONG time when fingers are on the trigger and you just made a "move towards" them.

By all measure, sneaking up on someone with guns drawn is going to get them killed.

 

[ch33zw1z]

ban water nozzles.

 

[desy]

That is the expectation, that they identify themselves from cover placing themselves at risk.
Its what they get paid to do, not murder people

 

[railer]

Man..the US is a horrible place.

Yeah...because one guy on an internet forum is an idiot.....

 

[ch33zw1z]

It's probably recommended to water your lawn with something like this.

http://www.amazon.com/Nelson-50503-H...830342&sr=1-9&

Would look a lot less suspicious than traditional trigger handled nozzles. I don't think police in my town would ever be that stupid though.

i like this!

 

[thraashman]

Logic is sociopathic?

If cops are firing on citizens with no provocation, it's only logical that citizens who believe they're in danger will defend themselves. I for one don't feel bad for dead cops, as they've created this situation themselves. Instead of de-escalating situations, they do the exact opposite and put on a show of force. Shock and awe, baby.

In this post as in most of your posts, there is no logic in what you said.

 

[Cozarkian]

In my opinion, murder goes too far, but zero punishment was even more ridiculous. Manslaughter or assault with a deadly weapon ought to suffice. Basically, I'd like to see these cops with a sufficient conviction to prevent them from carrying firearms (resulting in them losing their job) with a minimum of jail time.

I just can't compare cops shooting someone because they are paranoid and bad at their job to murder, especially when so many cops fired that they clearly all believed he was pointing a gun (unless there was some massive conspiracy to kill this guy, but I don't see that being alleged).

 

[BoberFett]

In this post as in most of your posts, there is no logic in what you said.

And as you are one who believes that everything the "left" does is good while everything the "right" does is evil, your opinion is laughably useless.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Agreed. OP, stop using sources that paint a completely one-sided picture of things. <-- It was totally one sided......the other source posted offered nothing new...just more speculation!!

That said, this was completely screwed up. It shouldn't be OK for cops to shoot first and ask questions later. Unless there was clear evidence of the guy being an imminent threat to kill or harm someone and there was no other way of subduing him, shooting should not have been an option.

The result in the case (a monetary verdict) isn't really justice in any way, it just gives money to the family, but the perpetrators of the crime get away with no repercussions.

That "legitimate" source gave no more information than my source, in fact the other source allowed Venix to make quite a few outlandishly incorrect assumptions!!

 

[Orignal Earl]

Yeah...because one guy on an internet forum is an idiot.....

I say the same thing all the time

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Man..the US is a horrible place.

Well I'm super surprised to see anti-freedom earl in here.



/sarcasm

 

[Venix]

nowhere in your so called truthful link does it say the man was acting like the hose nozzle was a gun!!

The busybody who called 911 claimed that he was pointing it like a gun. I'm not sure how else someone would play with a spray nozzle except to pretend it's a gun. In any case, there's nothing illegal or wrong with screwing around with a hose nozzle.

nowhere does it say that the man was behaving like he was high or drunk

What. His BAC was .42. His family said he was waiting on the porch for a friend to pick him up because he was too intoxicated to drive. Witnesses said he had been stumbling down the street. No one disputes that he was completely shitfaced.

In fact, his intoxication is one of the larger indicators that the police are lying. They claim that he saw them, then gripped the nozzle with both hands and aimed directly at one of the officers. That's an impressive reaction time from a guy who could barely stand.

His death was completely needless and the officers responsible are grossly incompetent cowards at best. The story does not need to be embellished with blatant falsehoods like "[he] was finishing up watering his lawn when neighbors, completely brainwashed by the police state, called the cops" and "Police Shoot and Kill Man for Watering Lawn." You just make yourself look foolish and give cop apologists another reason to ignore this injustice.

 

[thraashman]

What. His BAC was .42. His family said he was waiting on the porch for a friend to pick him up because he was too intoxicated to drive. Witnesses said he had been stumbling down the street. No one disputes that he was completely shitfaced.

In fact, his intoxication is one of the larger indicators that the police are lying. They claim that he saw them, then gripped the nozzle with both hands and aimed directly at one of the officers. That's an impressive reaction time from a guy who could barely stand.

Jesus I missed that. His BAC was 0.42! That's absurdly drunk. He was almost assuredly completely unaware of anything. The fact that he was conscious at all is remarkably surprising. That's the level you start ending up in the hospital at.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Quote:

The busybody who called 911 claimed that he was pointing it like a gun. I'm not sure how else someone would play with a spray nozzle except to pretend it's a gun. In any case, there's nothing illegal or wrong with screwing around with a hose nozzle.<-- nowhere in your article or any other article that has been posted does it say that...yet these are 2 very brief detail lacking articles


What. His BAC was .42. His family said he was waiting on the porch for a friend to pick him up because he was too intoxicated to drive. Witnesses said he had been stumbling down the street. No one disputes that he was completely shitfaced.<-- again nowhere doe it say that in any of the articles that hs been used on this thread...
In fact, his intoxication is one of the larger indicators that the police are lying. They claim that he saw them, then gripped the nozzle with both hands and aimed directly at one of the officers. That's an impressive reaction time from a guy who could barely stand.

His death was completely needless and the officers responsible are grossly incompetent cowards at best. The story does not need to be embellished with blatant falsehoods like "[he] was finishing up watering his lawn when neighbors, completely brainwashed by the police state, called the cops" and "Police Shoot and Kill Man for Watering Lawn." You just make yourself look foolish and give cop apologists another reason to ignore this injustice.

We do agree this is one death that should not have happened and that the police are in cover up mode...

 

[Orignal Earl]

Well I'm super surprised to see anti-freedom earl in here.



/sarcasm

Are you ever going to offer any insight to this anti-freedom earl thing you got going ?

 

[Thebobo]

But Long Beach Police Chief Jim McDonnell, who was in court for the verdict, said he was disappointed by the decision.

He says the officers were cleared in an internal probe and still defends their actions.

inconceivable

 

[MtnMan]

When the water shortages in CA become critical, watering grass will be considered a justified reason to use lethal force. CA is so totally fucked.

 

[shortylickens]

I have a firemans type nozzle. Much better than a cheap plastic gun.


Of course, knowing it could get me millions of dollars.......

:hmm:

 

[yllus]

The obvious course of action is to restrict and govern the sale and use of water nozzles shaped like pistols. Feinsein is on it. Perhaps there should be a new federal watering the lawn agency created with a czar to manage it's operations. Yea, that should fix things.

It's interesting that you're making sarcastic remarks about left-wing politicians when if they had their way, there'd be far less guns to mistakenly be identified as holding - avoiding this tragedy entirely.

Honestly, I like guns and enthusiastically tell other Canadians how zen going to the range is, but your reaction to this incident speaks volumes about how messed up America's relationship with firearms is today.

 

[Cozarkian]

It's interesting that you're making sarcastic remarks about left-wing politicians when if they had their way, there'd be far less guns to mistakenly be identified as holding - avoiding this tragedy entirely.

Honestly, I like guns and enthusiastically tell other Canadians how zen going to the range is, but your reaction to this incident speaks volumes about how messed up America's relationship with firearms is today.

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Did you really just suggest that the fact it is legal to own guns is an important consideration in whether cops should be able to avoid shooting a drunk holding a lawn nozzle on his own property? And then go on to say our relationship with firearms is messed up?