update: Kent Hovind sentenced to 10 years for tax evasion

[hurtstotalktoyou]

For those of you don't know, Kent Hovind is a Christian public speaker who specializes in denying scientific theories which seem to contradict a literal interpretation of the Genesis Creation account, namely macroevolution. He also runs a Christian theme park called Dinosaur Adventure Land, which among other things depicts humans and dinosaurs co-existing several thousand years ago. Although he did receive a B.A. from a legitimate college institution, his graduate work was completed at an unaccredited correspondence school. He has no formal credentials in the fields of biology, geology, physics or cosmology.

Anyhow, he was convicted on November 2, 2006, of 50-odd counts of tax fraud relating to his Dinosaur Adventure Land. He owes nearly $500,000. Apparently he was notified by the IRS that he must pay certain taxes, but refused, claiming that his employees were simply "missionaries," despite the fact that they were paid, punched time cards and were treated in many (perhaps all) other respects exactly like laborers. He engaged in such practices as smurfing, and when his home was raided at the time of his arrest, over $40,000 in cash was found stashed in various places.

Also, about eight or nine guns, one of them a semiautomatic, were siezed from his home the same day. What's that about?

His wife Jo shares most, but not all, of his convictions. Jo was released on bail Nov. 2, but Kent was remanded to custody as a flight risk. They both face sentencing at 9am Eastern on January 19, 2007. Technically, Kent Hovind faces up to 288 years in prison.

The running gag is that he's the Al Capone the evolution debate: Guilty of crimes against science, but convicted only of tax evasion.

 

[Estrella]

boom-shawk-ka-laka

 

[JEDIYoda]

what no links.......

 

[ayabe]

I don't know if he is but his "message" seems to be the same as those who were pushing to put such books in the public schools, which portray dinosaurs frolicking with children and explaining how all animals, even the dinosaurs were herbivores until man committed the original sin.

 

[Genx87]

Not really sure what to make of this thread. If I should be more worried about some preacher not paying his taxes or an OP who think owning guns is weird or wrong and thinks there is a law against not believing in science.

 

[Lemon law]

While I do agree that the guns are a side issue---I think I do know what to make of this thread. You had
a slick con man who made a totally silly and shallow psudo-science argument and sold it to a gullable public. And made a fortune doing it-----and in the process deluded himself into thinking he was above the
law-------where are his supporters now?

Where are those cries of free Kent Hovind?

But that same gullable crowd still exists----what con man will they follow next?

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not really sure what to make of this thread. If I should be more worried about some preacher not paying his taxes or an OP who think owning guns is weird or wrong and thinks there is a law against not believing in science.

There's a little bit of a difference in not believing in science and not believing in science and trying to push those beliefs into the science classroom.

 

[Lemon law]

To Strk

who correctly notes---There's a little bit of a difference in not believing in science and not believing in science and trying to push those beliefs into the science classroom.

The point is that there is still that same crowd out there that will vote to see those ideas pushed into a science classroom.---a newer and smarter Hovind clone will appear---and nothing will change.

 

[KGB]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
what no links.......

Seek and thou shalt find.

 

[ProfJohn]

Why is this a thread? The guy broke the law, he got caught, and he is going to jail.
What makes this worth talking about? The fact that he is some religious wacko?

The anti-Christian anti-religion bias on P&N is unbelievable, especially recently. It seems we have a new anti-religion thread every few days around here.

Yes, there are lots of crazy Christians running around out there, but when is the last time a Christian strapped a bomb around their chest and blew up a bus in the name of god?
But if I post a thread about the threat radical Islam posses to the west I get attacked endlessly. But I can post all the anti-Christian threads in the world and no one seems to care. Sad.

 

[Kwaipie]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why is this a thread? The guy broke the law, he got caught, and he is going to jail.
What makes this worth talking about? The fact that he is some religious wacko?

The anti-Christian anti-religion bias on P&N is unbelievable, especially recently. It seems we have a new anti-religion thread every few days around here.

Yes, there are lots of crazy Christians running around out there, but when is the last time a Christian strapped a bomb around their chest and blew up a bus in the name of god?
But if I post a thread about the threat radical Islam posses to the west I get attacked endlessly. But I can post all the anti-Christian threads in the world and no one seems to care. Sad.

That you so strongly buy the Bush doctrine and Christian doctrine comes as no surprise. These things seem to go hand in hand.

 

[Lemon law]

Lets label the real hypocracy non-Prof John States here.

If some Christian or Jew uses an army to terrorize some entire country or just a neighbor hood thats civilized.

But if some Moslem gets so frustrated by this that they are motivated to strap explosives to their body in a certainly suicidal effort to get some Christian or Jew---thats terrorism.

Hovind just denies science---and non-Prof John distorts reality. Both honor the same bible.---the very one that states through shalt not bear false witness--------

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Yes, there are lots of crazy Christians running around out there, but when is the last time a Christian strapped a bomb around their chest and blew up a bus in the name of god?

Can you say Eric Rudolph?

Eric Robert Rudolph, also known as the Olympic Park Bomber (born September 19, 1966) is an American anti-abortion extremist and domestic terrorist who committed a series of bombings across the southern United States, which killed three people and injured at least 150 others. Rudolph is a Catholic, and according to CNN was also "connected with the Christian Identity movement, a militant, racist, and anti-Semitic organization." He declared that his bombings were part of a guerrilla campaign against abortion, what he describes as "the homosexual agenda," and perceived support for it from the United States government. He spent years as the FBI's most wanted criminal fugitive, but was eventually caught. In 2005 Rudolph pled guilty to numerous federal and state homicide charges and accepted five consecutive life sentences in exchange for avoiding a trial and the death penalty.

There's no excuse for that in the name of any religion.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Not really sure what to make of this thread. If I should be more worried about some preacher not paying his taxes or an OP who think owning guns is weird or wrong and thinks there is a law against not believing in science.

Its not so much of this guy not believe in science, as it is his efforts to make his view official policy.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why is this a thread? The guy broke the law, he got caught, and he is going to jail.
What makes this worth talking about? The fact that he is some religious wacko?

The anti-Christian anti-religion bias on P&N is unbelievable, especially recently. It seems we have a new anti-religion thread every few days around here.

Yes, there are lots of crazy Christians running around out there, but when is the last time a Christian strapped a bomb around their chest and blew up a bus in the name of god?
But if I post a thread about the threat radical Islam posses to the west I get attacked endlessly. But I can post all the anti-Christian threads in the world and no one seems to care. Sad.

OMG but clinton...! OMG but muslims....!!1 OMG but secularists...? You seem like a broken record. The same excuses over and over again.

 

[Lemon law]

To Harvey---Eric Rudolph may have done the equivalent of blowing up a Bus but never strapped the bomb to his chest and in so doing getting both himself and the bus.

So in that sense non-Prof John can still claim him as a civilized Christian.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Harvey---Eric Rudolph may have done the equivalent of blowing up a Bus but never strapped the bomb to his chest and in so doing getting both himself and the bus.

So in that sense non-Prof John can still claim him as a civilized Christian.

I disagree. In 1996 Eric Rudolph, bombed Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park, and the following year a gay nightclub and a suburban Atlanta clinic that performed abortions. He was also charged in the 1998 bombing of a Birmingham, Alabama, clinic that performed abortions.

The fact that he didn't see fit to blow up his own lame ass doesn't make him any less of an ideological maniac.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To Harvey---Eric Rudolph may have done the equivalent of blowing up a Bus but never strapped the bomb to his chest and in so doing getting both himself and the bus.

So in that sense non-Prof John can still claim him as a civilized Christian.

I disagree. In 1996 Eric Rudolph, bombed Atlanta's Centennial Olympic Park, and the following year a gay nightclub and a suburban Atlanta clinic that performed abortions. He was also charged in the 1998 bombing of a Birmingham, Alabama, clinic that performed abortions.

The fact that he didn't see fit to blow up his own lame ass doesn't make him any less of an ideological maniac.

You have found one example, congratulations. :| :|

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why is this a thread? The guy broke the law, he got caught, and he is going to jail.
What makes this worth talking about? The fact that he is some religious wacko?

The anti-Christian anti-religion bias on P&N is unbelievable, especially recently. It seems we have a new anti-religion thread every few days around here.

Yes, there are lots of crazy Christians running around out there, but when is the last time a Christian strapped a bomb around their chest and blew up a bus in the name of god?
But if I post a thread about the threat radical Islam posses to the west I get attacked endlessly. But I can post all the anti-Christian threads in the world and no one seems to care. Sad.

OMG but clinton...! OMG but muslims....!!1 OMG but secularists...? You seem like a broken record. The same excuses over and over again.

He has a very valid point, are you going to address that or do exactly what you accuse him of doing, make excuses?

OMG but your not a proffessor, OMG you are a conservative, OMG you compare one religion to another, OMG you compare one administration to another. You all sound like broken records, you can't address the points that ProfJohn makes, you just make excuses.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why is this a thread? The guy broke the law, he got caught, and he is going to jail.
What makes this worth talking about? The fact that he is some religious wacko?

The anti-Christian anti-religion bias on P&N is unbelievable, especially recently. It seems we have a new anti-religion thread every few days around here.

Yes, there are lots of crazy Christians running around out there, but when is the last time a Christian strapped a bomb around their chest and blew up a bus in the name of god?
But if I post a thread about the threat radical Islam posses to the west I get attacked endlessly. But I can post all the anti-Christian threads in the world and no one seems to care. Sad.

Wah!

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Why is this a thread? The guy broke the law, he got caught, and he is going to jail.
What makes this worth talking about? The fact that he is some religious wacko?

The anti-Christian anti-religion bias on P&N is unbelievable, especially recently. It seems we have a new anti-religion thread every few days around here.

Yes, there are lots of crazy Christians running around out there, but when is the last time a Christian strapped a bomb around their chest and blew up a bus in the name of god?
But if I post a thread about the threat radical Islam posses to the west I get attacked endlessly. But I can post all the anti-Christian threads in the world and no one seems to care. Sad.

Wah!

heh, I didn't expect much more than that from the peanut gallery.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: JD50
You have found one example, congratulations. :| :|

One glaring example of a mass murderer in the name of Christianity is enough to make the point. I don't owe you anymore than that, but if you're really that short on info, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Salem witch trials, Adolf Hitler and the KKK are more historical examples.

Christianity just happened to be the example ProfJohn raised, but there are examples of radical Jewish bombers in Israel and other crazies killing in the name of other religions, too.

If you're so information challenged, spend your own time looking for them. It isn't that hard to do.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Yes, there are lots of crazy Christians running around out there, but when is the last time a Christian strapped a bomb around their chest and blew up a bus in the name of god?

Can you say Eric Rudolph?

Eric Robert Rudolph, also known as the Olympic Park Bomber (born September 19, 1966) is an American anti-abortion extremist and domestic terrorist who committed a series of bombings across the southern United States, which killed three people and injured at least 150 others. Rudolph is a Catholic, and according to CNN was also "connected with the Christian Identity movement, a militant, racist, and anti-Semitic organization." He declared that his bombings were part of a guerrilla campaign against abortion, what he describes as "the homosexual agenda," and perceived support for it from the United States government. He spent years as the FBI's most wanted criminal fugitive, but was eventually caught. In 2005 Rudolph pled guilty to numerous federal and state homicide charges and accepted five consecutive life sentences in exchange for avoiding a trial and the death penalty.

There's no excuse for that in the name of any religion.

Eric Rudolph is an atheist, not a christian. CNN did a story on it a while back.

In letters to his mother he describes christians pretty much the way most of you do.

Fern

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Fern
Eric Rudolph is an atheist, not a christian. CNN did a story on it a while back.

In letters to his mother he describes christians pretty much the way most of you do.

Fern

That's not the way the story was covered, but he certainly killed in the name of the same anti-gay and anti-choice agenda. It doesn't make it any more right, or any more sane, regardless of his choice of labels.

 

[Lemon law]

Well we can always allege that the Irish Republican Army is really a islamic movement, or our haymarket square is also. And how can we not include those Birmingham church bombings---but I am get confused here and will have to ask non Prof John
for some clarifications on how I tell the difference between a terrorist and a Civilized christian.

Is it, as I alleged, that you are a terrorist if you kill your self in the process of killing others and a christian if you kill others without getting killed your self.---but that is what you implied as written.
That you were searching for both---and not an either or.

And does the terrorist necessarily have to use a bomb?--will a gun do?---how about poisoning people like Jim Jones did in Jonestown---and he even drank the kool aid also---does suicide by cop or fire count when we talk about David Koresch? And lets not forget those born before about 1300 AD--those poor suckers could not even use guns or bombs.---are we to deny them the salvation of qualifying as terrorists no matter how craven their acts?

Please clarify.