(UPDATE: I got it!)if you had 20k to spend on a used car right now

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ayabe

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So anyone who's driving a used M3 is now a wannabe? What should happen to them after their first owner is finished...let's say with 17K on the ODO on a 6 year old car? Should they light it on fire? Should he spray paint "enjoy my hand-me-down you poor slob" on the seats?

I'm going to look at a used 2006 C55 AMG tomorrow, if I end up getting it you can be sure I'll send you a PM so you can call me a wannabe. It'll be parked in my garage next to my WRX. So I'll have a ricer and a "I'm too fucking poor to buy a new one" wannabe German muscle car.

My jerkwad quotient just went through the roof I'm sure.
 

MetalMat

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3rd gen mazda rx-7, im really surprised no one posted this gem yet. Keep in mind it had maintenance issues and the old wankel engine.

2005+ Mustang GT can easily be had for that price but for some odd reason those have really become chick cars (if you care) over the past couple years.

You could get a used Dodge Charger R/T for that price but if you are leaning towards an S2000 then I doubt you would like a Charger. They make good daily drivers.
 
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exdeath

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So anyone who's driving a used M3 is now a wannabe? What should happen to them after their first owner is finished...let's say with 17K on the ODO on a 6 year old car? Should they light it on fire? Should he spray paint "enjoy my hand-me-down you poor slob" on the seats?

I'm going to look at a used 2006 C55 AMG tomorrow, if I end up getting it you can be sure I'll send you a PM so you can call me a wannabe. It'll be parked in my garage next to my WRX. So I'll have a ricer and a "I'm too fucking poor to buy a new one" wannabe German muscle car.

My jerkwad quotient just went through the roof I'm sure.

Depends entirely on the intent of the person buying the car. If you're buying it because it's an awesome car and a hell of a deal, then no, that's not wannabe, that's being a car enthusiast with brains.

If your name is JMapleton and you're buying it because you think it makes you "Young, rich, classy, jet setting" even though you had to wait until it was 5 years used and $20k then yeah, that's wannabe.

Somehow I think you're the former though. Besides there's nothing poser about a AMG used or not. Not like you're on a Civic budget pretending to be ball'n in a SLK230 with 200k miles :)
 
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alkemyst

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It's always the wannabe that ends up with the near supermodel he sport fucks in his 'paid too much ride' while some dude in a 10 sec. 'camero' laughs what a tool the dude is in his 'beemer/mercedes/porch' ;)
 

JackBurton

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Yes, you ARE the ignorant one. Does it help me in repeating it? I will say it a third time, YOU ARE IGNORANT.

That's "rediculous." :p

You can sit and brag to your buddies at the water cooler about your new Corolla S with Nav and backup camera, and others here will smoke you with a nice 20k used car. Two years later, you have a crappy 2-year old econobox and someone else still has a great used car...Who is the winner here?

lol, come on now, I wasn't talking about a shitty new car. But I'll be happy to run some 1/4 miles with my 2011 Mustang GT. I'll also be dropping a Ford Racing supercharger in it with a Corsa Extreme exhaust hopefully pretty soon, so you let me know when those "nice" $20K used cars are ready. :p

Now do I think my car is the fastest out there? Hell no! I've seen 8 second Mustang runs. But I'd say mine isn't too bad. ;)

And yes, I'm the winner here. :p

We have a new garage troll, and his name is "JackBurton". Sucks too, because I love "Big Trouble in Little China" and you are a complete tool.

Apparently I hurt your little feelings and you are just lashing out. I told you that was why I bought new. Trying to get everyone on your side by force a "troll" label on me isn't going to work. Maybe if you were more confident in your purchases you wouldn't feel so threatened when others voiced a contrary opinion to yours. I'm confident with my purchase decision, and I don't give a shit what others think. Maybe you should take the same approach. It will lower your blood pressure, and I wouldn't have to read your 10 year old tirade posts. :p
 
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Howard

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That's "rediculous." :p



lol, come on now, I wasn't talking about a shitty new car. But I'll be happy to run some 1/4 miles with my 2011 Mustang GT. I'll also be dropping a Ford Racing supercharger in it with a Corsa Extreme exhaust hopefully pretty soon, so you let me know when those "nice" $20K used cars are ready. :p
You got an '11 Mustang GT with supercharger and exhaust for $20k?
 

Zenmervolt

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Give me a break. Yes you can reduce your chances by having a mechanic check it out, but it doesn't guarantee nothing will break in the near future. If you buy a 3+ years old car, it still has some good life left in it, but it has 3+ years more wear on its parts than a new car.

Nor does buying new guarantee that nothing will break in the future. And three years of wear on a car is nothing. My daily driver is almost 13 years old and still runs and handles like new. Never had to do anything other than maintenance either. The idea that three years of "wear" on an engine is somehow important is absurd. It's the kind of argument someone would make only if they knew absolutely nothing about how to work on a car.

Good for you. Some aren't so fortunate. If for some reason something DOES goes wrong with a new car though, it goes back to the dealer under warranty with no surprise maintenance costs.

As I said before, the ones who "aren't so fortunate" are the idiots who either: (1) can't be bothered to have a mechanic perform a basic check or (2) don't have a friggin' clue how to evaluate whether a car has been taken care of.

Look, if someone is lazy enough that paying an extra 30% to 40% is worth it to keep them from having to actually think or pay attention to what they're buying that's fine. It's their money. But you're just being an idiot if you honestly think that used cars are somehow the "luck of the draw" and that getting a reliable used car just makes a person "lucky".

Give me a freakin' break, new car reliability "myth." Fact is, whatever used car you buy, the parts are that much more worn than a new car. No "myth," that's a fact.

Unless it has been severely abused, most cars should easily run for 200,000-300,000 miles before they even need a top-end refresh. The 30,000 to 50,000 miles on the typical used car simply isn't meaningful since most people don't keep cars that long. Hell, even if you're planning to drive it into the ground, the money you save by avoiding the massive depreciation hit in those first 2-5 years is more than enough that you'll come out ahead even if you dump the car at 100,000 miles.

The "extra wear" simply is not meaningful in any real-world sense.

But I tell you what, I'll pay the premium for a new car, and when I'm done I'll give you my "hand me downs" if it makes you happy.

Given your comments here, it is quite certain that you lack the requisite automotive knowledge to maintain your vehicles to my standards. Because of this, I'll have to pass on your hand-me-downs. Someone who is less "lucky" than I am can have the cars you'll end up ruining.

1. No worries for 5 years. However if for some reason something does go wrong, it will be taken care of at no charge.

No charge except the 30% to 40% premium you pay over a used car. But hey, I'm sure that enough stuff will go wrong that it will more than balance out the extra $10,000 you paid for that new car...

2. I don't like having someone else's used stuff. When you buy new, you know you were the only one that has been in that car (excluding sales guy or delivery driver). And of course the new car smell. :)

And for someone like you who apparently doesn't know how to tell if a car has been maintained, it's important to be the only owner. After all, otherwise you might have to actually understand how cars work. ;)

Do new cars come at a premium? Yep. But I'll gladly pay it.

Your choice and you're welcome to it. But don't pretend that you're somehow making a better financial decision or getting a car that is functionally more reliable, because you're not.

ZV
 

JackBurton

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Your choice and you're welcome to it. But don't pretend that you're somehow making a better financial decision or getting a car that is functionally more reliable, because you're not.

ZV

I never brought finance into the equation. And anything more than a basic car that gets you from point A to point B is a bad financial decision, new or used. So what is your point? You think you've made a better financial decision when buying a used M3 for $40K compared to someone paying $75K for a new one? Wrong. If you were that concerned with finances, you shouldn't even be thinking of a BMW in the first place. When I see someone buying a 5 year old Mercedes for $20K, it just screams, "I really can't afford a new Mercedes," so I'll take someone's hand me downs so I can pretend I'm cool. Now on the contrary. If someone wants to buy an RX-7, I think that person is just into that car and wants to own it. No problem with that. It's a cool car and no new version is available (I'm not counting the RX-8. It looks like shit compared to the RX-7).

Again, that's my opinion. If you want to buy used cars all day long, knock yourself out. It's your money, not mine.
 

IcePickFreak

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^ You have some weird logic when it comes to cars, I'll leave it at that. Before you jump all over me though I did my current car brand new (for the first time,) but it isn't a 2011 Mustang GT so feel free to jump all over me for that.
 

exdeath

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It's always the wannabe that ends up with the near supermodel he sport fucks in his 'paid too much ride' while some dude in a 10 sec. 'camero' laughs what a tool the dude is in his 'beemer/mercedes/porch' ;)

And at the end of the night, he drives home to his studio apartment and parks outside in his $20k financed 5 year old Mercedes after getting HIV from the whore who sleeps with any and every random dude that rolls up on 22s. Pimp that sheeit dawg! What are we 13?
 
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Zenmervolt

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And anything more than a basic car that gets you from point A to point B is a bad financial decision, new or used.

I'm not the one trying to claim that new cars offer objective superiority here. We all pay for subjective qualities. Some of us (me) admit it. Others (you) attempt to mask it by making absurd claims about used cars being the "luck of the draw" and saying ridiculous things like, "chances are you're buying someone else's problem".

You think you've made a better financial decision when buying a used M3 for $40K compared to someone paying $75K for a new one?

Actually, I think I've made a better financial decision when buying a used Volvo for $8k compared to the person who bought it for $45k new and also compared to the person who's spending $15,000 on a basic new Kia. Lower cost to insure, less money up front, and I get to drive a car that's more comfy, faster, and has more room for my friends than the guy who bought the Kia.

I don't pretend that I've made a better financial decision than the guy who spent $5,000 on a used Kia, of course, but it's not an all-or-nothing game.

Finally, yes, the person who wants an M3 anyway absolutely does make a better financial decision to buy the 2-year-old example for $40k than he would if he bought a new example for $75k. Even you must realize that, if you're going to make the purchase anyway, it's better to save $35,000 than not. The idea that "the rich" can somehow afford to just throw money away is childish naivety.

Wrong. If you were that concerned with finances, you shouldn't even be thinking of a BMW in the first place.

Or, you know, one has realized that the functional difference between a new car and a 2-year-old car is nil and would rather have the $35,000 in his 401(k) instead of in a depreciating asset while still getting 100% of the enjoyment from the car. You're making the classic beginner's mistake of assuming that it's an all-or-nothing scenario and that's just plain wrong.

Even if the person can afford to spend $200,000 on a car, it's still better to buy the used car for $40,000 than the new one for $75,000. Just because a person can afford to pay more doesn't magically make it a good idea to do so.

When I see someone buying a 5 year old Mercedes for $20K, it just screams, "I really can't afford a new Mercedes," so I'll take someone's hand me downs so I can pretend I'm cool.

You seem rather obsessed with not having "hand-me-downs". Sociologically, that's interesting.

ZV
 

JackBurton

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Ok, I think this has gone far enough. I responded to one post with one word, and the whole thread derailed. I don't mind the debating, but it looks like I've made some people feel bad, which I really didn't intend to do. In the heat of a debate I may have said some things that were a little "douchey," so I apologize.

IcePickFreak, if you are happy with your car, that's all that counts. Congratulation on your new purchase. And I'm definitely not going to jump all over you.

exdeath, you were definitely excluded from any of my comments. I'm sure you can run circles around my car and I'm positive you are much better with a wrench than I am. You are a true car enthusiast.

I'll exit this debate by saying, if you are happy with what you bought, you've made the right purchase.
 
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alkemyst

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And at the end of the night, he drives home to his studio apartment and parks outside in his $20k financed 5 year old Mercedes after getting HIV from the whore who sleeps with any and every random dude that rolls up on 22s. Pimp that sheeit dawg! What are we 13?

No in reality it's probably a pretty damn nice house. Most of the uber rich really don't buy new either.

A CL600 or 55 would be right up there alley here with a few miles on it.

It's the renters and lower income that seem to pour all their funds into their cars and constantly buying new while selling the old one at a loss.

But yeah I am sure you get that a lot rolling around in a pretty old mustang now. Terminator or not, most folks look at old mustangs as low hanging fruit.
 

IcePickFreak

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No in reality it's probably a pretty damn nice house. Most of the uber rich really don't buy new either.

A CL600 or 55 would be right up there alley here with a few miles on it.

It's the renters and lower income that seem to pour all their funds into their cars and constantly buying new while selling the old one at a loss.

But yeah I am sure you get that a lot rolling around in a pretty old mustang now. Terminator or not, most folks look at old mustangs as low hanging fruit.

If that's a concern to you, you have much larger issues than the car you're driving. Not everyone is out to be a Hollywood wanna-be.
 

exdeath

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But yeah I am sure you get that a lot rolling around in a pretty old mustang now. Terminator or not, most folks look at old mustangs as low hanging fruit.

Good thing it's not those folks' car then :awe:

That's ok though, low hanging fruit is good for tea bagging would be ballers in the face when they are looking to impress their gold digging hooker at the stoplight... and failing. I think I'm ok with that.

Anyhow as awesome as a CL600 is for $20k, it's not the right car for someone looking to spend $20k who just want's a working car and doesn't plan to get their hands dirty. They won't be able to afford the repairs the first time something pops up. Even DIY or having a buddy give you labor no charge, parts are still going to $$$. That's the kind of car you buy for $20k when you can afford $40k, or as a second or third car for a cruiser.
 
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alkemyst

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If that's a concern to you, you have much larger issues than the car you're driving. Not everyone is out to be a Hollywood wanna-be.

umm didn't say it was a concern to me, but to say the guy in the CL600 must have hiv or something wacky is asinine.

I guarantee same guy pulls up in a mustang vs CL600 of equal age and even if the mustang is newer, he is going to get more female attention.

There is absolutely no denying this and most guys really buy their cars to impress others, not for the love of driving or power.
 

alkemyst

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Anyhow as awesome as a CL600 is for $20k, it's not the right car for someone looking to spend $20k who just want's a working car and doesn't plan to get their hands dirty. They won't be able to afford the repairs the first time something pops up. Even DIY or having a buddy give you labor no charge, parts are still going to $$$. That's the kind of car you buy for $20k when you can afford $40k, or as a second or third car for a cruiser.

I am not sure why you think one would not be able to afford the repairs. A 5 year old $20k car is still a pretty decent car payment, and many would just pay it in cash.

I know a lot of really rich dudes and they aren't buying many new cars. It's usually a 1-2 year old SUV or sedan for the wife and they are rolling in higher end BMW/Lexus/Mercedes a few years old. A couple even own jets.

They buy frugally and don't do their own work. On a separate note 2 of these guys also have the snap-on rolling sets in showcase garages yet maybe hang a picture on their own at most :)
 

exdeath

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umm didn't say it was a concern to me, but to say the guy in the CL600 must have hiv or something wacky is asinine.

That has to do with the whole sleeping with random chicks on the street that will randomly nail any guy who rolls up in a shiny car. :)
 

IcePickFreak

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umm didn't say it was a concern to me, but to say the guy in the CL600 must have hiv or something wacky is asinine.

I guarantee same guy pulls up in a mustang vs CL600 of equal age and even if the mustang is newer, he is going to get more female attention.

There is absolutely no denying this and most guys really buy their cars to impress others, not for the love of driving or power.

lol, I didn't mean a medical condition. I meant a mental disorder. If you buy a car based on what image it's going to project to random people on the road, or anyone for that matter, you to need to re-evaluate. Those are the type of people that buy a BMW 318 and put M3 badges on it.

A lot of people have hobbies other than trying to nail every girl they see and everything they do revolves around it. The chicks do dig the Fearmont though. Notice the custom paint job as he putts off the line. :awe:
 

alkemyst

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If you buy a car based on what image it's going to project to random people on the road, or anyone for that matter, you to need to re-evaluate.

lolwut. This is Marketing 101 on vehicles.

I think you are out of touch with reality.
 

MetalMat

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I like how this turned out into a match of which car will get more chicks lol. It does not matter what you drive if you have game.