(UPDATE: I got it!)if you had 20k to spend on a used car right now

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JackBurton

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Interesting. Sound's to me like you buy new cars because they are "new" and like that status symbol.
lol, yes, because when someone buys a new Kia at $12,000, they obviously think of it as a status symbol? :rolleyes: Sorry buddy, that argument doesn't fly when you try and reverse it.

I won't speak for others, but I buy new because I want reliability first and foremost. And a new car generally is MUCH more reliable than a used car. Am I saying you CAN'T have a reliable used car? No. My dad is a GREAT person to buy a car from. He takes great care of his cars, and whoever buys a car from him I'm sure will have a problem free car for years to come. But that is generally not the case. With a used car, it's luck of the draw. You may get a great car, but chances are you'll inherit someone else's problem. And that's something I just don't want to chance. If someone else does, knock yourself out.

Now if you don't have the money for a new car, I can understand that. But I'm talking about a basic new car, not a freakin' BMW M3. But if someone wants to buy a used M3, that's their money. They can buy whatever they want. However, when I see stuff like that, it just screams "wannabe" to me. Hell, I don't think I would even consider a new BMW or Mercedes with their recent reliability issues, much less a USED BMW or Mercedes. If you want bang for your buck, the new V6 Mustang has got to be it. HELL of a deal for about $20K! AND it is BRAND NEW. But it's not a BMW. So you can't pretend to be a $30K a year millionaire. Sorry.

It is foolish and stupid (yes I said it) to discount used cars because they are "less" reliable than new cars and to say that people buy them for status. I have bought both new and used, and it really depends on the situation. As others have said here, many people buy and then sell a car shortly after for no apparent reason and there is no reason why purchasing said car couldn't be a great deal.

Coming into a garage forum and saying ignorant statements like this is rediculous. Either you are really ignorant or just a troll.

Let me get this straight, I'm the ignorant one?
 
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JMapleton

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Those are fun to destroy when the owners think that V12 emblem will protect them from anything.

Let's race a CL600 stock with your car when it came stock.

Now let's race a CL600 with RennTech upgrades against your car with upgrades (excluding hollowing out the car into a shell with an engine as some do).

NO NO. let's take both cars to a night club to pick up ladies.

CL600 every time.....including with the ladies.
 

exdeath

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Now let's race a CL600 with RennTech upgrades against your car with upgrades (excluding hollowing out the car into a shell with an engine as some do).

Ok, 324 stroker with twin 88mm turbos with a stalled auto and a Big Stuff 3 stand alone. Lets see what you can get for the money, one exhaust tip?

And using your car to pick up ladies, how much more pathetic can you get? As long as we are on it, I *have* a KB Cobra, where is your 700+ HP CL600? *whistles* Talking about theoretical cars you don't own isn't going to win any ladies. So how about it, you got a RennTech CL600 you'd like to share with us? Or are you just one of those kids who brag about Veyrons and talk down every other vehicle in the world when you yourself don't even have a Civic?

Nothing against the car really, A CL600 would make one hell of a nice beater for $20k. This is for your blanket "blows away all those sucky American cars" typical Euro snobbery. Also the "It's a V12 it's fast" mentality and misconception. V12 is for luxury and smoothness, not power. V12 variants are almost always the same displacement and power output as their V8 versions.
 
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alkemyst

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Problem with the CL600 is it weighs almost 2 tons. It's a great cruiser.

I am putting money on a 3200lb Z06 with 600HP.
 

PhoKingGuy

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Let's race a CL600 stock with your car when it came stock.

Now let's race a CL600 with RennTech upgrades against your car with upgrades (excluding hollowing out the car into a shell with an engine as some do).

NO NO. let's take both cars to a night club to pick up ladies.

CL600 every time.....including with the ladies.

Don't try to out drag a cobra, you will lose.

Lesson number 1 of owning a fast car, lol.
 

Zenmervolt

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With a used car, it's luck of the draw.

Only if you're a complete moron who can't catch obvious signs of poor maintenance when you go to look at a car. Or if you're too stupid to have the car checked over by a reputable mechanic when you know you don't have the skills to spot those things.

You may get a great car, but chances are you'll inherit someone else's problem

Somehow I've managed to avoid those supposed "chances" about a dozen times so far. Never once had an unreliable used car.

Even buying "basic" cars like a Kia you get a much better deal with a used car. Buying one that's 1-2 years old, especially one that came off a lease lets some other poor schmuck eat the massive depreciation while a 2-year-old car isn't old enough to have any real maintenance worries at all.

The whole "new cars are more reliable" myth is the lazy person's way of justifying the cost premium of a new car.

ZV
 

exdeath

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Don't try to out drag a cobra, you will lose.

Lesson number 1 of owning a fast car, lol.

It's really about the target market/audience more than the car. The Mustang/Camaro type crowd is always going to have a monopoly on drag racing. People don't buy Mercedes thinking about the stroker crank they want to get or thinking what they are going to do to cut sub 1.5s 60 fts.

And the aftermarket backs that up. Case in point, ebay for "stroker kit" for an LS1 or 4.6, then do the same for a CL600 and tell me how many hits you get back for the two.
 
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mafia

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Only if you're a complete moron who can't catch obvious signs of poor maintenance when you go to look at a car. Or if you're too stupid to have the car checked over by a reputable mechanic when you know you don't have the skills to spot those things.



Somehow I've managed to avoid those supposed "chances" about a dozen times so far. Never once had an unreliable used car.

Even buying "basic" cars like a Kia you get a much better deal with a used car. Buying one that's 1-2 years old, especially one that came off a lease lets some other poor schmuck eat the massive depreciation while a 2-year-old car isn't old enough to have any real maintenance worries at all.

The whole "new cars are more reliable" myth is the lazy person's way of justifying the cost premium of a new car.

ZV

Heh, my uncle had more problems with his brand new 07' Maxima than his older 00' Maxima, which he bought from a auction.

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CL600 every time.....including with the ladies.

I don't think so. Driving a Cobra, pulling up to a club in a cobra, in my opinion, will get more ladies. Cobra sounds and feels more alive. Girls like that.
 
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PhoKingGuy

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It's really about the target market/audience more than the car. The Mustang/Camaro type crowd is always going to have a monopoly on drag racing. People don't buy Mercedes thinking about the stroker crank they want to get or thinking what they are going to do to cut sub 1.5s 60 fts.

You would be surprised how it is around here with 17 year olds driving their mommy and daddy bought 328i/C300/IS250 like it was Schumi's F1 car. I had an X3 3.0i full of 16 year olds try to drag me once with my GTI, i just gave them a wtf look and went on my way.
 

IcePickFreak

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Let's race a CL600 stock with your car when it came stock.

Now let's race a CL600 with RennTech upgrades against your car with upgrades (excluding hollowing out the car into a shell with an engine as some do).

NO NO. let's take both cars to a night club to pick up ladies.

CL600 every time.....including with the ladies.

Oh no, your that "that guy" that internet races, especially with a car you don't own and most likely never even driven. Oh shit, your even picking up girls at da club with it!

When you get that CL600 with RennTech upgrades I'm sure exdeath would be more than willing to line up, as long as he's not in a nursing home by then.
 

JMapleton

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I don't think so. Driving a Cobra, pulling up to a club in a cobra, in my opinion, will get more ladies. Cobra sounds and feels more alive. Girls like that.

Cobra = 28 year old bro dude with a barbed wire tattoo and backwards hat.

CL600 = Young, rich, classy, jet setting.

Not quite.
 

JMapleton

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Oh no, your that "that guy" that internet races, especially with a car you don't own and most likely never even driven. Oh shit, your even picking up girls at da club with it!

When you get that CL600 with RennTech upgrades I'm sure exdeath would be more than willing to line up, as long as he's not in a nursing home by then.

I could buy that car cash right now. I own a business that funnels most of my money away from me, no point in wasting it on a car.
 

JMapleton

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Nothing against the car really, A CL600 would make one hell of a nice beater for $20k. This is for your blanket "blows away all those sucky American cars" typical Euro snobbery. Also the "It's a V12 it's fast" mentality and misconception. V12 is for luxury and smoothness, not power. V12 variants are almost always the same displacement and power output as their V8 versions.

Your avatar sums up what I think about people with Mustangs. Bro dudes with backwards hats. You look ridiculous and that car is just plain stupid. It looks like someone from a video game. A Mercedes is classy. A Cobra is like driving around with Quiet Riot on the stereo full blast. Just stupid and you look like a teenager.
 

exdeath

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Cobra = 28 year old bro dude with a barbed wire tattoo and backwards hat.

LMAO no. V6 Mustang with spinners maybe, but no, that's not me by a long shot.


I could buy that car cash right now. I own a business that funnels most of my money away from me, no point in wasting it on a car.

CL600 = Young, rich, classy, jet setting.

A $20k used Mercedes is not rich.
 
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exdeath

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Your avatar sums up what I think about people with Mustangs. Bro dudes with backwards hats. You look ridiculous and that car is just plain stupid. It looks like someone from a video game. A Mercedes is classy. A Cobra is like driving around with Quiet Riot on the stereo full blast. Just stupid and you look like a teenager.

You probably think Lexus is classy and Toyota is garbage, amirite?

I drive what I like that brings *me* the most enjoyment, not to seek approval from random snobs.

You know what's funny? Where I work, it's all the lower rung people who just graduated college and are new to the company driving financed 3 series BMWs and C class Mercedes. All the 6 digit engineers who have been with the company for 25 years are driving brand new SS Camaros, higher end Mustangs, and C6 Corvettes, and I believe I've seen a Viper or two, and of course a handful of Ms and AMGs. So you can take your "class" and shove it. The attitude and portrayal of image you speak of is called being a snob, and is diametrically opposed to class. Class is confidently driving a Geo and not giving a shit what anyone else thinks.
 
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JackBurton

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Only if you're a complete moron who can't catch obvious signs of poor maintenance when you go to look at a car. Or if you're too stupid to have the car checked over by a reputable mechanic when you know you don't have the skills to spot those things.

Give me a break. Yes you can reduce your chances by having a mechanic check it out, but it doesn't guarantee nothing will break in the near future. If you buy a 3+ years old car, it still has some good life left in it, but it has 3+ years more wear on its parts than a new car.

Somehow I've managed to avoid those supposed "chances" about a dozen times so far. Never once had an unreliable used car.

Good for you. Some aren't so fortunate. If for some reason something DOES goes wrong with a new car though, it goes back to the dealer under warranty with no surprise maintenance costs.

Even buying "basic" cars like a Kia you get a much better deal with a used car. Buying one that's 1-2 years old, especially one that came off a lease lets some other poor schmuck eat the massive depreciation while a 2-year-old car isn't old enough to have any real maintenance worries at all.

The whole "new cars are more reliable" myth is the lazy person's way of justifying the cost premium of a new car.

Give me a freakin' break, new car reliability "myth." Fact is, whatever used car you buy, the parts are that much more worn than a new car. No "myth," that's a fact. But I tell you what, I'll pay the premium for a new car, and when I'm done I'll give you my "hand me downs" if it makes you happy. You can then drive off thinking your cool. ;)

Two reasons why I'd rather buy new:

1. No worries for 5 years. However if for some reason something does go wrong, it will be taken care of at no charge.

2. I don't like having someone else's used stuff. When you buy new, you know you were the only one that has been in that car (excluding sales guy or delivery driver). And of course the new car smell. :)

Do new cars come at a premium? Yep. But I'll gladly pay it.
 

JackBurton

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Cobra = 28 year old bro dude with a barbed wire tattoo and backwards hat.

CL600 = Young, rich, classy, jet setting.

Not quite.

That is the funniest thing I've heard. You think driving a 5 year old Mercedes makes you look "young, rich and jet setting?" That is freakin' hilarious! More like "I wannabe" rich and jet setting looking but all I can afford is this old ass Mercedes. lol.
 

exdeath

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And of course the new car smell. :)

FWIW I bought my 03 Cobra coupe with 16k on it, still smells brand new inside. It's all about how well the car was cared for.

A new car is actually more likely to give you problems than a 1 year old used car that's broken in. You know what to expect with a car that's been around for a little bit and proven itself, not like a new car with 0 miles and an uncertain horizon of failing parts and recalls left and right.

Bottom line, doesn't matter if you buy new or used, if you don't do your research and use some common sense, you're going to have equal risk of problems. Being fixed under warranty for nothing shouldn't be a factor, as most recalls are free anyway, and a 1-2 year old car is likely to still have a few years of warranty left if not extended.
 

mafia

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Cobra = 28 year old bro dude with a barbed wire tattoo and backwards hat.

CL600 = Young, rich, classy, jet setting.

Not quite.

You have it all wrong. I see mostly 40yr + driving a CL600. Younger men drive Cobras.

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lol "jet setting"


It costs more to maintenance a car that falls apart after a few years, like most American made cars do.

Cobra has a handbuilt engine. CL600 does not /pwnt
 
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exar333

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lol, yes, because when someone buys a new Kia at $12,000, they obviously think of it as a status symbol? :rolleyes: Sorry buddy, that argument doesn't fly when you try and reverse it.

I won't speak for others, but I buy new because I want reliability first and foremost. And a new car generally is MUCH more reliable than a used car. Am I saying you CAN'T have a reliable used car? No. My dad is a GREAT person to buy a car from. He takes great care of his cars, and whoever buys a car from him I'm sure will have a problem free car for years to come. But that is generally not the case. With a used car, it's luck of the draw. You may get a great car, but chances are you'll inherit someone else's problem. And that's something I just don't want to chance. If someone else does, knock yourself out.

Now if you don't have the money for a new car, I can understand that. But I'm talking about a basic new car, not a freakin' BMW M3. But if someone wants to buy a used M3, that's their money. They can buy whatever they want. However, when I see stuff like that, it just screams "wannabe" to me. Hell, I don't think I would even consider a new BMW or Mercedes with their recent reliability issues, much less a USED BMW or Mercedes. If you want bang for your buck, the new V6 Mustang has got to be it. HELL of a deal for about $20K! AND it is BRAND NEW. But it's not a BMW. So you can't pretend to be a $30K a year millionaire. Sorry.



Let me get this straight, I'm the ignorant one?

Yes, you ARE the ignorant one. Does it help me in repeating it? I will say it a third time, YOU ARE IGNORANT.

You can sit and brag to your buddies at the water cooler about your new Corolla S with Nav and backup camera, and others here will smoke you with a nice 20k used car. Two years later, you have a crappy 2-year old econobox and someone else still has a great used car...Who is the winner here?

We have a new garage troll, and his name is "JackBurton". Sucks too, because I love "Big Trouble in Little China" and you are a complete tool.