UPDATE: Five students shot at Ohio high school, three killed

[busydude]

^^ If that happens now, the parents will sue the school.

 

[Lifted]

Either way... ELECTRIC CHAIR!

For people with mental disorders? That's pretty weak dude.

 

[NFS4]

For people with mental disorders? That's pretty weak dude.

I'm sorry, but the "mental card" gets pulled just about as much as the "race card". It's a crutch to escape responsibility and serious repercussions for ones own actions.

 

[Jaepheth]

It's a bit psychotic to think of it this way, but it's a pretty damning indictment of our education system that these shooters simply put no thought or effort into planning to get away with it. Of course, if they thought it through in the first place I suppose they'd figure out it isn't worth it...

Anyways, I echo the idea that we allow back bare knuckle boxing outside school grounds to settle disputes and let the kids blow off steam. We're still a fairly violent species inherently and trying to bottle that all up is going to result in more blow ups than necessary (There will always be outliers that blow up for no discernible reason; all you can do there is try to train councilors to spot early warning signs).

 

[HAL9000]

I'm sorry, but the "mental card" gets pulled just about as much as the "race card". It's a crutch to escape responsibility and serious repercussions for ones own actions.

Speaking as a diagnosed mental... No its not

 

[dabuddha]

I'm sorry, but the "mental card" gets pulled just about as much as the "race card". It's a crutch to escape responsibility and serious repercussions for ones own actions.

Agreed. Personally people that do shit like this need to be taken out of the gene pool ASAP. The reason they did it is irrelevant (yes if he was being gang raped and they were about to shoot him then I'd say it was justified but we're not talking extremes here)

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Moral Justification for a school shooting? Are you out of your fucking mind?

Nevermind. I think I already know the answer...

Did you read the rest of my post?

Kids have not gotten along and bickered with each other since the beginning of time. Its a part of life. And truth be told, most kids who get bullied or picked on, more often than not ostracize themselves by their own weird ass behavior. Its a f'ing joke to hear some dingdong talk about prosecuting some other kids after this POS shot a bunch of people. Considering what he did, no wonder people probably picked on this wierdo.

Yeah, just like that fuckin spoiled bitch of a girl deserved to be beaten by her dad like that.

Still not justified IMO...if he kills them while they are trying then yes, after it would not be at all, prosecuting them and sending them to prison to get ass raped themselves would be justified

Maybe justified is the wrong word. My point is that even though going vigilante days after the event is something that civil society would have a hard time codifying into law without negative implications, I can totally see why such a shooting would occur.

Of course, being that defending oneself with deadly force in school is impossible to begin with, the rape victim is fucked either way.

 

[Joseph F]

Of course, being that defending oneself with deadly force in school is impossible to begin with, the rape victim is fucked either way.

Pun intended? D:

 

[pcgeek11]

So, (Taking from HamburgerBoy's example) if a guy gets ass-raped by his football teammates, killing them wouldn't be justified?

I'm not saying that this particular instance was justified, but just because a revenge killing happens at a school, doesn't mean that it's unjustifiable.

The only thing that justifies killing is if your life is threatened.

 

[pcgeek11]

not sure i understand this logic... you're saying if it's random then he deserves to fry. If it's premeditated, he doesn't? Isn't that first-degree murder?

If anything, doesn't random mean he gets off easier than premeditated? Yes, random is more insane, but still... plotting to kill someone should be a worse offense.



for killing at least 3 people nearly execution style? He better be clinically insane... and if so, a jail cell serves no purpose. I'm no expert but to me, the statements the suspect made on FB prior to doing this leads me to believe he wasn't clinically insane.

You can have premeditated murder and still randomly select the victim.

 

[pcgeek11]

Did you read the rest of my post?

Yes I did and I think you are wrong Unless. He is defending himself against an assault and he kills an attacker in the process. However getting a broom in the ass and then going back days later with a gun is still wrong and punishable. It is NOT Moral in any way shape or form.

 

[Fayd]

Yeah, no problem with the death penalty since they were randomly chosen. But I definitely don't agree that there cannot be moral justification for school shootings. My would-be high school had a school hazing case where a new football recruit was "hazed" by his older teammates with a broomstick in his butt. Now, I'm not saying the law should open up middle and high schools to open carrying and whatnot, and it would still be vigilante justice in such a case, but from the viewpoint of the "bullying" victim I can completely sympathize with him.

Rancho Bernardo High School?

 

[endlessmike]

My wife has a coworker whose husband was one of the first responders to this shooting. He said he was surprised they survived as long as they did and even with his experience it was pretty brutal; these kids were essentially executed point blank as they sat.

Some of the statements in this thread are truly appalling. These were high school KIDS. Anyone who is arguing that what happened to them is justifiable (regardless of the circumstances) is either sadly misinformed, frighteningly stupid, or just a plain misanthropic asshole.

 

[SparkyJJO]

One of the kids that died was the son of my brother's old coworker.