*Update* Finally tally Dems +27-30 in house?

[ProfJohn]

It is late and I am ready for bed, so one last thread for tonight.

Via CNN they Dems have a 27 seat gain as of now. Only 21 seats left, and via Realclearpolitics it looks like most of the seats that could switch are done and over with.
So most likely a 30 or less seat gain for Democrats.

That puts the Democrats with nearly the same margin the Republicans have had the last 2 years. More than enough to get things done.

Which means those of us on the right can start asking for solutions and you can not longer answer "they aren't in power" 🙂

I see two courses of action for Pelosi and company.

1. Act like Democrats and try to raise taxes, spending increases, more social programs, etc etc and therefore give the country right back to the Republicans

2. Act like centrists and moderate for the next 2 years in order to clear the way for a Democrat President.

I would rather see 1, but bet we get more 2. I do think we will get lots of committee hearings by some of the partisans, but mostly they will try to stay down the middle. Unless they are just stupid.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

+34 according to MSNBC

 

[theeedude]

Dems aren't stupid. They know independents are the ones who got them elected. They'll try to hold the middle, and pigeonhole GOP as minority party.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
It is late and I am ready for bed, so one last thread for tonight.

Via CNN they Dems have a 27 seat gain as of now. Only 21 seats left, and via Realclearpolitics it looks like most of the seats that could switch are done and over with.
So most likely a 30 or less seat gain for Democrats.

Your math sucks as usual. MSNBC is predicting around a 36 seat Democrat House pickup, and it could be as much as around 42. (It could even conceivably be higher with a few surprises.)

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
+34 according to MSNBC

It looks like that is project based and not results based. Hence the +/- 6 seats thing in the list.

 

[jackschmittusa]

The most telling thing in this election is that no Dem incumbent in the House lost. Never happened before.

Makes the "victory" far more significant.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I think we should just ignore ProfJohn for now. He is too partisan to see that this is a huge win for the Democrats, definitely a historic midterm election by all accounts. Democrats taking control of the House, the Senate, and the governorships is no small task.

The fact of the matter is the country will be heading in a new direction come January.

 

[GoPackGo]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I think we should just ignore ProfJohn for now. He is too partisan to see that this is a huge win for the Democrats, definitely a historic midterm election by all accounts. Democrats taking control of the House, the Senate, and the governorships is no small task.

The fact of the matter is the country will be heading in a new direction come January.

The question remains to be seen is will it be good or bad.

As an American, I hope its good.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: GoPackGo

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
I think we should just ignore ProfJohn for now. He is too partisan to see that this is a huge win for the Democrats, definitely a historic midterm election by all accounts. Democrats taking control of the House, the Senate, and the governorships is no small task.

The fact of the matter is the country will be heading in a new direction come January.

The question remains to be seen is will it be good or bad.

As an American, I hope its good.

hard to imagine it being any worse than it is now

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
The most telling thing in this election is that no Dem incumbent in the House lost. Never happened before.

Makes the "victory" far more significant.

Same goes for senate dem incumbents.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Looks that way, good victory, but not a great victory

What is your problem? Seriously. What exactly do you have against Democrats that won't allow you to give them ANY kind of credit? These backhanded compliments are ridiculous.

 

[NeoV]

Prof John - I really hope you aren't a teacher, because you have ZERO ability to see anything in a remotely objective manner - this is an historic win for the Dem's - whether or not you agree with them, you have to at least give them credit for that.

 

[GTKeeper]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Looks that way, good victory, but not a great victory

What is your problem? Seriously. What exactly do you have against Democrats that won't allow you to give them ANY kind of credit? These backhanded compliments are ridiculous.

PJ is just bitter because this is how bitter people act.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Topic Title: Finally tally Dems +27-30 in house?
Topic Summary: Looks that way, good victory, but not a great victory

I am 110% convinced you're on drugs.

4 or 5 over considered "good" by all the News organizations, 26+ is considered awesome and gives Dems all the power they need to thoroughly handcuff your America hating heros.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Looks that way, good victory, but not a great victory

What is your problem? Seriously. What exactly do you have against Democrats that won't allow you to give them ANY kind of credit? These backhanded compliments are ridiculous.

He's is apparently very upset that Americans may want to save their Country from his America hating hero's.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
That puts the Democrats with nearly the same margin the Republicans have had the last 2 years. More than enough to get things done.

Which means those of us on the right can start asking for solutions . . .

Why weren't you "asking for solutions" duriing the last 6 years?

And if perchance you were, WHAT were they and how many were successfully implemented by the Republican congress in the last 6 years?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
That puts the Democrats with nearly the same margin the Republicans have had the last 2 years. More than enough to get things done.

Which means those of us on the right can start asking for solutions . . .

Why weren't you "asking for solutions" duriing the last 6 years?

And if perchance you were, WHAT were they and how many were successfully implemented by the Republican congress in the last 6 years?

:laugh: Look how quickly they change their tune.

 

[TraumaRN]

What was amazing to me was that in nearly every race that was close, the Dems owned the independent vote....thats a BIG thing and Dems need not forget that.

They should push for some policy changes obviously, however they need to be moderate in their politics if they hope to gain anything in 2008.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Looks that way, good victory, but not a great victory

What is your problem? Seriously. What exactly do you have against Democrats that won't allow you to give them ANY kind of credit? These backhanded compliments are ridiculous.

If we compare it to the number of seats that changed hands in 1994, its not a 54 seat change. But, if you look at the number of seats that each party has, its practically flipped compared to 1994 assuming only a 27 seat change.

 

[shadow9d9]

"Act like Democrats and try to raise taxes, spending increases,"

Too bad that is what the republicans have done... Increasing the debt is as bad as taxes and their spending is off the wall.

 

[Strk]

1. Act like Democrats and try to raise taxes, spending increases, more social programs, etc etc and therefore give the country right back to the Republicans

I thought the Republicans already did all of that? Although their tax increase is more of a delayed increase. You do realize that Bush and the Republican Congress made the largest increases in spending of any modern president and Congress?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Topic Title: Finally tally Dems +27-30 in house?
Topic Summary: Looks that way, good victory, but not a great victory

I am 110% convinced you're on drugs.

4 or 5 over considered "good" by all the News organizations, 26+ is considered awesome and gives Dems all the power they need to thoroughly handcuff your America hating heros.

heck, if Bush's 1% win was seen by the conservatives as a sweeping mandate, I wonder what they thing of the Dems huge wins.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Topic Title: Finally tally Dems +27-30 in house?
Topic Summary: Looks that way, good victory, but not a great victory

I am 110% convinced you're on drugs.

4 or 5 over considered "good" by all the News organizations, 26+ is considered awesome and gives Dems all the power they need to thoroughly handcuff your America hating heros.

heck, if Bush's 1% win was seen by the conservatives as a sweeping mandate, I wonder what they thing of the Dems huge wins.

:laugh: I'm sure Rush will set the tone a little later.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Topic Title: Finally tally Dems +27-30 in house?
Topic Summary: Looks that way, good victory, but not a great victory

I am 110% convinced you're on drugs.

4 or 5 over considered "good" by all the News organizations, 26+ is considered awesome and gives Dems all the power they need to thoroughly handcuff your America hating heros.

heck, if Bush's 1% win was seen by the conservatives as a sweeping mandate, I wonder what they thing of the Dems huge wins.

Obviously the end of America

OH NOES!!!!!!

 

[dullard]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Good victory, but not a great victory...

1. Act like Democrats and try to raise taxes, spending increases, more social programs, etc etc and therefore give the country right back to the Republicans

2. Act like centrists and moderate for the next 2 years in order to clear the way for a Democrat President.

Lets put the votes in perspective. I'll use CNN's numbers at the time of my post. This will of course need to be updated.

Senate
[*]33 elections. 9 Rs won, 24 Ds/independants who will vote with Ds won.
What is that in percentages?
[*]R: 27.3% of races won.
[*]D: 72.7% of races won.

Think about that, they won 27% of the races so far. That is just over 1/4th. Ds won at almost 3/4ths of the reces. Of the 13 key close races, only Corker has won for the Rs so far. That is Rs won 7.7% of the key races so far. Use that as your basis for whether is was a good victory or not.

Oh, and one scary thought for you Prof John. 40 R senators weren't up for reelection this year. Their reelection time is coming up though. So the majority of the elections coming up will be from seats that Rs currently hold. Very few D seats will be even in contention.

House
[*]435 elections. 196 Rs won, 229 Ds won, 10 Undecided at the moment.
What is that in percentages?
[*]R: 45.1% of races won.
[*]D: 52.6% of races won.
[*]Undecided: 2.3% of races left.

Governors
[*]36 elections, 15 Rs won, 20 Ds won.
[*]2 Undecided at the moment
What is that in percentages?
[*]R: 41.7% of races won.
[*]D: 55.6% of races won.
[*]Undecided: 2.8% of races left.

As for the rest of your post, we'll see mostly #2. Your #1 is so full of falsehoods and old myths that I won't comment on it.

Edit: updated numbers.