Update: BAR - HONDA cheated - CONFIRMED !!

[dandruff]

UPDATE: Banned for 2+1 races :

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HONDA cheated???


FIA CALLS FOR BAR - HONDA EXCLUSION

Formula 1?s governing body has called for the BAR-Honda team to be thrown out of the 2005 world championship at the Appeal Court hearing in Paris.

The FIA also recommended that the team be fined a minimum of one million euros in the dossier of evidence it submitted to the Court.

?The FIA asks the Court to exclude the Lucky Strike BAR Honda team from the 2005 Formula 1 world championship and to fine the team at least one million euros,? said an FIA spokesman.

The governing body is appealing the verdict of race stewards at the San Marino Grand Prix to uphold Jenson Button?s third place finish despite the fact that Briton?s car was found to be 5 kg below the 600 kg minimum weight limit.

from elsewhere - looks like mystery fuel tanks if true, HONDA was prolly doing it from the end of the last season - i hope button goes to BMW now ....


more details at this thread:
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[dandruff]

Looks like Honda is admitting:

"The lawyer representing BAR at the hearing, David Pannick said: "There was no secret chamber in this engine. At worst, there was a minor misunderstanding. A modest fine would suffice."

 

[darkswordsman17]

Wow, that seems a little stiff.

I haven't been keeping up with stuff this season. All I know is that Ferrari isn't doing so hot, even with their new car, and Renault (well, one of their drivers at least) is doing pretty awesome.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Wow, that's extreme. I doubt they would exclude the team for the remainder of the season though.

 

[McCarthy]

Don't throw them out. Just make them trade chassis with Minardi.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Wow, that seems a little stiff.

I haven't been keeping up with stuff this season. All I know is that Ferrari isn't doing so hot, even with their new car, and Renault (well, one of their drivers at least) is doing pretty awesome.

That's about all I know. And Williams/BMW is no where in the running.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

wow 5kg....maybes they jus messed up somewhere easily done, now if they were using banned aero devices or trick engine mods then yes...ban them, but not for being a piddly 5kg under 600Kg

it didnt exactly help him did it? schumacher was pretty much gone the second he got overtaken

 

[otispunkmeyer]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
Wow, that seems a little stiff.

I haven't been keeping up with stuff this season. All I know is that Ferrari isn't doing so hot, even with their new car, and Renault (well, one of their drivers at least) is doing pretty awesome.

u obviously never saw the last GP.....that ferrari is mega fast. schumi was well over 2 seconds a lap faster than anyone else through the mid-end part of the race, the part where it matters since it gets tricky on very worn tires.

if that car was on pole, if schumi hadnt messed up in quali, ferrari would of won that race. i really dont expect to see much more of alonso on the top step of the podium much longer. that ferrari is simply jaw dropping

 

[dandruff]

Ferrari was stunningly impressive two weeks ago ... no wonder Alonso is scared and whining about Ferrari cheating too !

The RED Cars are back !!!

 

[UNCjigga]

5kg is HUGE even though it doesn't sound it. A 1kg transgression would be enough to raise the ire of other drivers (but those pesky europeans are so touchy anyways!)

 

[imported_Phil]

One meeellion euros!

 

[dandruff]

wow ... banned for 3 races ... i just hope because of this shame HONDA doesnt say goodbye to f1 ...

 

[RagingBITCH]

Why did you even put NASCAR in your subtitle? What idiot thinks Honda is racing in NASCAR?

 

[McCarthy]

Originally posted by: dandruff
wow ... banned for 3 races ... i just hope because of this shame HONDA doesnt say goodbye to f1 ...

F1.com says 2 race ban. Is 3 being reported elsewhere?

 

[dandruff]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH
Why did you even put NASCAR in your subtitle? What idiot thinks Honda is racing in NASCAR?

huh? u do realise this is ATOT ... and with this mysterious fuel tank i think HONDA is ready for NASCRAP ... plus keeps the thread clean of NASCRAP vs F1 ...

also to keep out the idiots who try to impregnate their sisters (aka NASCRAP ppl) ... they come into every thread :laugh:

 

[dandruff]

Originally posted by: McCarthy

Originally posted by: dandruff
wow ... banned for 3 races ... i just hope because of this shame HONDA doesnt say goodbye to f1 ...

F1.com says 2 race ban. Is 3 being reported elsewhere?

its next 2 and 1 retroactive for the last race ... is what i read ...

 

[McCarthy]

DOH, hadn't figured in the loss of the points.

 

[alexruiz]

That is a steep punishment!!! Hopefully just a minor fine, BAr team makes the season entertaining, and Button is a great driver.

 

[GTaudiophile]

So, can we now say the Japanese car makers have to cheat to win?

 

[dandruff]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
So, can we now say the Japanese car makers have to cheat to win?

Yup and make that YUP with capslock ... and as far as i am concerned TOYOTA's recent success is completely due to hiring a non-japanese ... how else can you explain the failures of TOYOTA with the biggest budget ...

then again HONDA has seen glory days in F1 ... dont forget prost, senna ...

 

[McCarthy]

Originally posted by: alexruiz
That is a steep punishment!!! Hopefully just a minor fine, BAr team makes the season entertaining, and Button is a great driver.

Sato sure is fun to watch. Button doesn't do much for me in or out of the car, but we all have our favorites.

I wonder if we'll get to hear the "rest of the story" on this. It's been reported that the FIA already knew about the tanks, and that the tanks were filled during the race - that doesn't add up to get this outcome.

From F1.com yesterday :
"The focus of the hearing was a small, secondary fuel tank on Button?s car, which the FIA admitted they were aware of. When this was emptied the car fell under the minimum 600 kilogram weight limit.

However, BAR technical director Geoffrey Willis told the Court that the additional tank was a collector tank which had to hold a minimum of six litres of fuel at all times in order for the car to function."

Nope I don't get it, not with what's come out so far.

 

[edro]

Why the hell don't the officials weigh the cars before the race? (and check for fuel)

5kg? Pft...

 

[GimpyOne]

Originally posted by: McCarthy

Originally posted by: alexruiz
That is a steep punishment!!! Hopefully just a minor fine, BAr team makes the season entertaining, and Button is a great driver.

Sato sure is fun to watch. Button doesn't do much for me in or out of the car, but we all have our favorites.

I wonder if we'll get to hear the "rest of the story" on this. It's been reported that the FIA already knew about the tanks, and that the tanks were filled during the race - that doesn't add up to get this outcome.

From F1.com yesterday :
"The focus of the hearing was a small, secondary fuel tank on Button?s car, which the FIA admitted they were aware of. When this was emptied the car fell under the minimum 600 kilogram weight limit.

However, BAR technical director Geoffrey Willis told the Court that the additional tank was a collector tank which had to hold a minimum of six litres of fuel at all times in order for the car to function."

Nope I don't get it, not with what's come out so far.

I agree with you that something is definately being hidden.

I'm wondering if this is a pissing match from the whole "we are forming our own league next year becuase the F1 administration are a bunch of idiots" issue that is going around.

edit: additionally, its quite amazing that depending on the fuel, the fuel in a 6L tank would weight about what.....5kg! Huh, what a conincidence, and while they were required to run with that tank full, they had to empy it for weigh in?????hmmmm....