Upconverting MP3s?

prism

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Is there any way to convert my MP3s into bigger, better-sounding files (something akin to Apple's Lossless files)? I'd preferably like to keep it something that would be compatible with my iPod. I'm an audio nub, so if there is a way to do this, how would I get these files to my iPod, since it only seems to like being fed from iTunes?
 

Modelworks

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Suggest you get your music as flac files.
MP3 is lossy so whatever detail you wanted is gone once you encode it.
 

prism

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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Suggest you get your music as flac files.
MP3 is lossy so whatever detail you wanted is gone once you encode it.

What are flac files, and how do I obtain them?
 

PurdueRy

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Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Suggest you get your music as flac files.
MP3 is lossy so whatever detail you wanted is gone once you encode it.

What are flac files, and how do I obtain them?

use a CD ripper compatible with FLAC such as CDex or many others. Download the flac codec for free online. Rip your CD's to your hearts content.
 

prism

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Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Suggest you get your music as flac files.
MP3 is lossy so whatever detail you wanted is gone once you encode it.

What are flac files, and how do I obtain them?

use a CD ripper compatible with FLAC such as CDex or many others. Download the flac codec for free online. Rip your CD's to your hearts content.

What can I use to put these FLAC files on my iPod?
 

aphex

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Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Suggest you get your music as flac files.
MP3 is lossy so whatever detail you wanted is gone once you encode it.

What are flac files, and how do I obtain them?

use a CD ripper compatible with FLAC such as CDex or many others. Download the flac codec for free online. Rip your CD's to your hearts content.

What can I use to put these FLAC files on my iPod?

Stick will Apple Lossless if you want to use it with your iPod.
 

prism

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Originally posted by: aphex
Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: PurdueRy
Originally posted by: Prism
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Suggest you get your music as flac files.
MP3 is lossy so whatever detail you wanted is gone once you encode it.

What are flac files, and how do I obtain them?

use a CD ripper compatible with FLAC such as CDex or many others. Download the flac codec for free online. Rip your CD's to your hearts content.

What can I use to put these FLAC files on my iPod?

Stick will Apple Lossless if you want to use it with your iPod.

Is the only way to get that file format by buying songs on iTunes? Cuz that would blow goat-chunks.
 

DaveSimmons

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Since your target is an iPod, ignore my beloved lossles FLAC format.

Buy used CDs from half or amazon and rip them in iTunes. Set the bit rate up to 160 kbps or higher if you don't like the sound quality at 128 kbps. Or buy plus tracks from the iTunes store.

For infringeware you're out of luck and must endure the poor sound quality, it's your karma.
 

CKent

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Lossless:
wav (cd) - a b c d e f g
flac & alac - abcdefg

Lossy:
mp3 - aceg
aac - bcdf
ogg - adeg

Conversions:
mp3 --> flac: aceg
mp3 --> ogg: aeg
mp3 --> aac: c

Make sense? That's tremendously oversimplified, of course, but I think it's good enough to demonstrate how digital music works. You can't replace data which was discarded as part of the compression in a lossy codec, and going from one lossy codec to another is like photocopying a photocopy; you'll end up with something worse than either.

You can use flac (and ogg vorbis, etc.) with an ipod, just Rockbox it. This also allows you to drag & drop files onto it so you can uninstall itunes, a program I consider to be malware. At the very least it's as bloated as Rosie O'Donnel and installs numerous running processes. If you can't use rockbox for whatever reason, get ephpod or a similar 3rd party loader so you don't have to deal with itunes.

Of course there's no real reason to use flac on an ipod. I'd wager that on top of experience, an appreciation for sound quality and an album that isn't recorded like shit (like 99% of current music :()you would need a headphone setup approaching $1k and including an amp to tell the difference between 320kb lossy and flac. I would definitely recommend aac or ogg over mp3 though, they're 2nd generation codecs and sound better at a given bitrate, or sound as good at a lower bitrate, depending on whether your focus is SQ or cramming as much music as possible onto the portable.

Edit: That's not to say lossless is a bad way to go. It's fantastic for archival purposes, and you may come into money or develop a deep appreciation for quality which could see you dropping $$$ on audio equipment, in which case you'll be really glad you bothered with flac. It's not like hard drive space is very expensive anymore. But when loading your ipod you may want to use a converter like foobar2000 (bonus: foobar's also a great player) or dbpoweramp to make a lossy-encoded copy for portable use.
 

Slick5150

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Yeah, I have a bunch of albums backed up as both VBR encoded MP3s and FLAC, and to be honest, I really can't tell the difference. Most modern music is recorded so compressed anyways that you don't notice the lack of a "full" soundstage as much as you do on analog recordings. But, its still nice to have a FLAC recording I guess as its "pure" in case you do need to convert to something else for some reason.
 

Baked

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I find the practice of converting CD to FLAC highly obnoxious and redundant. FLAC file size is nearly identical to the WAV file on the original CD, so I really don't see the point of convert your CD to FLAC, except maybe for file name cataloging. With VBR MP3 @ 192kbps, you really can't tell the difference. Besides, MP3 is 100% compatible w/ everything, it works on your computer, your iPod and your car's CD player? I use Exact Audio Copy + LAME for CD to MP3 conversion. Google for guides.
 

DaveSimmons

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My music server uses FLAC but:
1. It has an optical digital cable to an Onkyo receiver and a pair of Polk bookshelf speakers
2. It's for archival purposes. Since it's a lossless format it's a true backup of my CDs
3. Lossless-to-lossy transcoding has the same quality as doing a fresh rip from a CD. So if you decide you want 192 kbps or 256 kbps lossy encoding or MP3 instead of Ogg you can use something like dbPowerAmp to mass-transcode as often as you change your mind or your player.

But yes, 320 kbps ripped from CD is going to be indistinguishable from lossless 99% of the time. It's just the lossy-to-lossy transcoding that could bite you later on.

I find the practice of converting CD to FLAC highly obnoxious and redundant. FLAC file size is nearly identical to the WAV file on the original CD, so I really don't see the point of convert your CD to FLAC, except maybe for file name cataloging.
Tagging information is a pretty big deal, especially if you want to use the files as a source for transcoding later.

Also, at least 33% compression is typical, which adds up. My 1,000 CDs required 300 GB for FLAC, and would have been at least 450 GB. Of course having a second copy of the files in MP3 format eats up most of the space difference.

With VBR MP3 @ 192kbps, you really can't tell the difference. Besides, MP3 is 100% compatible w/ everything, it works on your computer, your iPod and your car's CD player? I use Exact Audio Copy + LAME for CD to MP3 conversion. Google for guides.
Yes, that's what I do for my portables except I use EAC to rip FLAC then dbPowerAmp + LAME for MP3 encoding.
 

CKent

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Originally posted by: Baked
I find the practice of converting CD to FLAC highly obnoxious and redundant. FLAC file size is nearly identical to the WAV file on the original CD, so I really don't see the point of convert your CD to FLAC, except maybe for file name cataloging. With VBR MP3 @ 192kbps, you really can't tell the difference. Besides, MP3 is 100% compatible w/ everything, it works on your computer, your iPod and your car's CD player? I use Exact Audio Copy + LAME for CD to MP3 conversion. Google for guides.

Depending on the music, I find the compression to yield files anywhere from 50-80% of the original size. This and the ability to tag flac makes it a nobrainer.
 

Rubycon

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No direct "upconverting" path is possible. It's possible to write it out to WAV using the winamp disk writer feature but you will have a larger file with similar (in)fidelity. ;)

What's more important than the bitrate is the way a file is encoded. I've heard poor encoders that sound atrocious at the maximum rate of 320kbps and very very good encoders that are quite listenable at the min 128kbps for equivalent "CD quality". LAME is probably the best software you will find. I've heard output from a dedicated hardware compressor that's even better but it's definitely out of reach of the pc user.

If anyone has a file they want to post I can get it processed so they can hear how it sounds. :Q