Upcoming iPhone to have new dock connector, 19pin vs 30pin

[QueBert]

All the devices i've ever used that utilized a mini or micro usb, the cables were interchangable between devices. What is this special micro usb cable for the blackberry you talking about? I've used a wide range of blackberrys, windows mobile, etc devices. Maybe I'm just lucky.

I was just trying to get my roommates new Samsung phone to come up as a device on my PC so he could add music. It kept saying it was unable to install the MTP driver, after pulling my hair out I noticed it was using my HTC cable from my EVO 4G, I tried the Samsung cable that came with the phone, and as soon as I plugged the phone in again, it installed the drivers perfectly. I tested the same thing on his and had the same problem. After it working on both I went back to the HTC cable on both mine and his PC and it wouldn't come up. Now there might be a work around to get it working, but if there is it's very difficult.

I don't have a BB any more but I know my Pearl 8300 refused to work with 2 of my 3 Micro-USB cables. I know on the newer Samsung phones there are 2 pins that are different on the Samsung Micro-USB cable. A lot of people have problems with non Samsung cables. I know from the 3 hours I f*cked with it today that if all I had was this HTC cable I'd be SOL. And I know when I use to charge my Samsung phone with a non Samsung cable it would take about 10 hours to charge where it was like 4 hours with the one that came with it.

 

[Phynaz]

I've had issues using a BB cable with a Kindle Fire.

 

[QueBert]

I've had issues using a BB cable with a Kindle Fire.

I can duplicate the BB & Samsung issues on 90% of computers I've used. So much for Micro-USB being this industry standard. For all my devices I need 3 different cables right now, that doesn't seem the least bit non proprietary. But hay what do I know?

 

[pm]

I believe the issues of cable incompatibility between smartphones - particularly HTC and Samsung phones - has to do with the way the manufacturers use the resistor connection between pins 4 and 5 of the USB connector.

For example, this thread about the Samsung Galaxy talking about various modes you can put the phone into by using various resistors values between pins 4 and 5.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820275

 

[Joseph F]

You don't even understand what you're laughing at, now that's funny. You should Google line out and audio out, and do some actual reading so you have some idea of the nonsense you're spewing.


I can do what you do too


"LOL at all these people who think HDMI looks different than RCA"

Actually, I'm confident that I know far more about the engineering of audio circuits than you.

Do you have proof that the line-out sounds better, (As measured in: THD+N, Jitter, Linearity, FR, Channel separation, Square wave performance, etc.)
or for that matter, uses a different signal path than the 3.5mm jack?
If I was a betting man, I'd bet that when the line-out is connected, the iPhone/Pod simply reroutes the signal from the headphone amp's output to the the dock, and adjusts the gain, accordingly for line-out.

You should Google "Subjective Vs. Objective Listening", and do some actual reading so you have some idea of the nonsense you're spewing.

 

[Aristotelian]

Actually, I'm confident that I know far more about the engineering of audio circuits than you.

Do you have proof that the line-out sounds better, (As measured in: THD+N, Jitter, Linearity, FR, Channel separation, Square wave performance, etc.)
or for that matter, uses a different signal path than the 3.5mm jack?
If I was a betting man, I'd bet that when the line-out is connected, the iPhone/Pod simply reroutes the signal from the headphone amp's output to the the dock, and adjusts the gain, accordingly for line-out.

You should Google "Subjective Vs. Objective Listening", and do some actual reading so you have some idea of the nonsense you're spewing.

It takes about 8 seconds to confirm the audio quality output difference between the line out path (as I mentioned in my last post) and the 3.5mm audio jack on ipods/iphones. You aren't seriously arguing that it is placebo effect, are you? The 3.5mm outputs on ipods/iphones are, in general, very poor. I am not saying "poor if you're using the stock earbuds". I am saying "poor if you are attempting to drive a pair of headphones that are sensitive", and the example I gave were custom IEMs.

And, again, having said this - the argument isn't that "all 3.5mm outputs suck", it is simply that "they are very poor compared to line out on iphones/ipods" - I'm not sure how 'subjectivity' comes into this. The noise/static/hissing that pervades 3.5mm iphone/ipod outputs is audible to anyone with normally functioning ears, drums, ossicular chains, however you want to break that part down.

I really don't know where subjectivity comes into the picture with respect to this discussion. But perhaps I've misread your intention here.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I believe the issues of cable incompatibility between smartphones - particularly HTC and Samsung phones - has to do with the way the manufacturers use the resistor connection between pins 4 and 5 of the USB connector.

For example, this thread about the Samsung Galaxy talking about various modes you can put the phone into by using various resistors values between pins 4 and 5.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820275

well thats irritating.... my gf's incredible 2's usb port broke the other day where it refused to charge. she got it repaired at a repair shop.

i was trying to flash CM on her phone by plugging it into my computer and it didn't register. wonder if it's a cable issue or if her port is still broken. i dont trust those shady cell phone repair shops but it's her only choice unless she wanted to wait for ebay parts to arrive and then trust my clumsy hands.

 

[Phynaz]

I believe the issues of cable incompatibility between smartphones - particularly HTC and Samsung phones - has to do with the way the manufacturers use the resistor connection between pins 4 and 5 of the USB connector.

For example, this thread about the Samsung Galaxy talking about various modes you can put the phone into by using various resistors values between pins 4 and 5.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820275

Nice find, thanks.

 

[Phynaz]

Nevermind.

 

[Joseph F]

It takes about 8 seconds to confirm the audio quality output difference between the line out path (as I mentioned in my last post) and the 3.5mm audio jack on ipods/iphones. You aren't seriously arguing that it is placebo effect, are you? The 3.5mm outputs on ipods/iphones are, in general, very poor. I am not saying "poor if you're using the stock earbuds". I am saying "poor if you are attempting to drive a pair of headphones that are sensitive", and the example I gave were custom IEMs.

And, again, having said this - the argument isn't that "all 3.5mm outputs suck", it is simply that "they are very poor compared to line out on iphones/ipods" - I'm not sure how 'subjectivity' comes into this. The noise/static/hissing that pervades 3.5mm iphone/ipod outputs is audible to anyone with normally functioning ears, drums, ossicular chains, however you want to break that part down.

I really don't know where subjectivity comes into the picture with respect to this discussion. But perhaps I've misread your intention here.

Yes, what you are hearing is almost certainly placebo.
Have you ever done a level-matched, blind test between the two, and picked the line-out+external amp consistently?

If not, then you are more than likely experiencing a sort of hearing bias. Which is, basically, the belief of how something should be better, be it, an expensive wine, audiophile audio gear, etc, affecting your perception of how well it performs.

http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-we-hear.html

 

[jiffylube1024]

I think this Apple connector redesign is long overdue. Standardization is a good thing, but it's high time that this connector is replaced with something smaller. Plus, if rumours of it being magnetic or some other neat, secure design are true, it will be a huge improvement in quality as well as size.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Instead of the current 30-pin port that has been used for nearly a decade, a 19-pin connector at the bottom of the device will “make room for the earphone moving to the bottom", two sources familiar with the matter told Reuters.

bullshit. the ipod touch right now has the 30pin port and the 3.5mm jack both at the bottom.

 

[QueBert]

bullshit. the ipod touch right now has the 30pin port and the 3.5mm jack both at the bottom.

And I'm going to guess it's like that because an iPod Touch has considerably less hardware inside of it. That would give Apple a lot more room to work with for placing things like a headphone jack. So sorry, bullshit not found.

 

[Aristotelian]

Yes, what you are hearing is almost certainly placebo.
Have you ever done a level-matched, blind test between the two, and picked the line-out+external amp consistently?

If not, then you are more than likely experiencing a sort of hearing bias. Which is, basically, the belief of how something should be better, be it, an expensive wine, audiophile audio gear, etc, affecting your perception of how well it performs.

http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2012/04/what-we-hear.html

That is 100% false. The 3.5mm jack hisses and spits, audibly, starkly contrasting with the clean signal obtained from the line out, on numerous portable Apple devices (I'm referring to ipods and iphones especially here). I find it interesting that you're using 'subjectivity' and 'hearing bias' when it comes to a pathetic 3.5mm output on Apple's portable devices - with audible hissing and spitting on sensitive iems - when the line out quality is significantly and objectively better.

I'm not talking about subjective differences between ultra high end gear, I'm talking about a sub-par 3.5mm output versus a line out. This is not subjective, and it is interesting to me that you think you need a double blind test and a test sample size to prove this. It's as if you're arguing that unless I double blind taste test burnt toast to be less tasty than nicely browned toast, then I'm experiencing a placebo effect when I argue that burnt toast is not tasty.

That's the difference between the 3.5mm output on previous iphones and ipods, and the line out.

Here's one for you: Is there no sound quality difference between i) listening to music on stock apple earbuds and ii) high end portable audio gear? If you say 'no', then we're going to have to agree to disagree. There simply is, if your ears are properly functioning.

 

[Joseph F]

That is 100% false. The 3.5mm jack hisses and spits, audibly, starkly contrasting with the clean signal obtained from the line out, on numerous portable Apple devices (I'm referring to ipods and iphones especially here). I find it interesting that you're using 'subjectivity' and 'hearing bias' when it comes to a pathetic 3.5mm output on Apple's portable devices - with audible hissing and spitting on sensitive iems - when the line out quality is significantly and objectively better.

I'm not talking about subjective differences between ultra high end gear, I'm talking about a sub-par 3.5mm output versus a line out. This is not subjective, and it is interesting to me that you think you need a double blind test and a test sample size to prove this. It's as if you're arguing that unless I double blind taste test burnt toast to be less tasty than nicely browned toast, then I'm experiencing a placebo effect when I argue that burnt toast is not tasty.

That's the difference between the 3.5mm output on previous iphones and ipods, and the line out.

Here's one for you: Is there no sound quality difference between i) listening to music on stock apple earbuds and ii) high end portable audio gear? If you say 'no', then we're going to have to agree to disagree. There simply is, if your ears are properly functioning.

Hey, I'll stop disagreeing with you, as soon as you provide some measured numbers that prove your point.
Also, I don't mean to be a douche, but you're wrong in thinking that personally-perceived differences, of any magnitude, are objective.

 

[Aristotelian]

Hey, I'll stop disagreeing with you, as soon as you provide some measured numbers that prove your point.
Also, I don't mean to be a douche, but you're wrong in thinking that personally-perceived differences, of any magnitude, are objective.

What do you want proof of? That some headphones are better than others, or that line outs on some ipods/iphones are better than the 3.5mm outputs, or both?

You aren't being a douche, nor am I being deliberately argumentative. Why don't you answer one of my questions, though? Are apple earbuds 'as good as a headphone can get' in terms of audio clarity and in general, accurate reproduction of the music as it was recorded?

 

[mafia]

It might be a "special" cable, but I have 1 cable for my iPhone that does everything. Yeah maybe it's not the cable that came with my iPhone, but with it I can charge, sync, watch video out on any TV I come across or have audio out on any stereo with a 3.5 or rca source. There's no Android equivalent I could find.

Link with pictures please? I could use a cable like that for my 4S

 

[Mopetar]

Link with pictures please? I could use a cable like that for my 4S

Yeah, it sounds damned handy. I wouldn't mind picking one up for my iPad either.

 

[bearxor]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-pla-_-NA-_-NA

Composite video out, RCA audio out, sync to computer. Use a RCA to 3.5mm adapter. Since this is composite, it's pretty universal.

Official Apple one:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC748ZM/A