Upcoming defense by GOP against impeachment and why the 2020 election should not matter

[SMOGZINN]

We would dominate the cyber and the final frontier, we have 97% of the scientists.

I doubt that we could get all that done before they run out of money. Completely unchecked I give a conservative government less then 2 years before they start a war. Even when they have to compromise with a liberal party they tend to start wars at near that rate.

 

[ch33zw1z]

But hey, they can create the theocratic utopia that's always on their minds

 

[Muse]

So far, it looks as if the Repubs would be just fine with that so long as they keep power not so much for themselves but more so for keeping power away from the frightening commie socialist boogeymen they've been told would lead to the total annihilation of the very fabric of our society.

No, they don't give a fig what the opposition represents... they just want to be the top dogs, and skimming off the top.

 

[Muse]

Is murdering all Democrats good for America or bad for America?
Would declaring Trump permanent dictator of America be good for America?

No can do... he's flesh and blood and one day will be 6 feet under. Can't wait.

 

[tweaker2]

No, they don't give a fig what the opposition represents... they just want to be the top dogs, and skimming off the top.

Considering how tolerant they are of Trump's humiliating and destructive behavior both abroad and here at home, I'm gonna have to agree with you on that.

 

[JEDIYoda]

There is clear cut logic at play:

If a is good for Republicans then a is good for America
If a is bad for Republicans then a is bad for America
If a is bad for Democrats then a is good for America
If a is good for Democrats then a is bad for America

Let's apply it to some real-world examples:

Is murdering all Democrats good for America or bad for America?
Would declaring Trump permanent dictator of America be good for America?

I agree with you. but let me point out if Trump were ever to be elected permanent dictator, his funeral would probably be telivised nation wide!! Not that I am advocating anything, but facts are facts!!

 

[HomerJS]

That is not how conservatives work. They will spend all their money on military and then when they have screwed their own country up too much they will just invade the ones that are working.

Ukraine learned that lesson

 

[Jhhnn]

Ukraine learned that lesson

Ukraine was a basket case when Putin snatched Crimea, raped & looted by a series of govts even more corrupt than that of the Russians.

 

[tweaker2]

So the Repubs say "let the voters decide". Well myself being a voter, I had decided awhile back that my representatives in Congress have my interests at heart and through them my decisions are carried out like they're doing at this very moment.

This bullshit about "let the voters decide" is just a not so clever sidestep around having Trump avoid being held accountable for his crimes against the people.

Not only is he not above the law, he is, due to his position, required to be held to a much higher standard than the average Joe.

It seems Trump's supporters think the standards for Trump should be so low as to have no standards at all to hold him accountable to.

Sadly, Trump is obliging them in every possible way he can.

 

[nakedfrog]

So the Repubs say "let the voters decide". Well myself being a voter, I had decided awhile back that my representatives in Congress have my interests at heart and through them my decisions are carried out like they're doing at this very moment.

This bullshit about "let the voters decide" is just a not so clever sidestep around having Trump avoid being held accountable for his crimes against the people.

Not only is he not above the law, he is, due to his position, required to be held to a much higher standard than the average Joe.

It seems Trump's supporters think the standards for Trump should be so low as to have no standards at all to hold him accountable to.

Sadly, Trump is obliging them in every possible way he can.

Wait, you mean we get to vote for representatives too? Are they supposed to, like, represent us or something? They should really make that more clear in the job title.

 

[tweaker2]

Wait, you mean we get to vote for representatives too? Are they supposed to, like, represent us or something? They should really make that more clear in the job title.

Not sure if my sarcy meter is out of order so I'll take the "better to be sure route" with your post. Apologies if I took it the wrong way.

I made that comment in my previous post specifically to address the "let the voters decide" scam the Repubs are trying to pull in order to get Trump off the hook.

If the Repubs are going to go with that ploy then it seems to me they think the politicians they send to Congress aren't up to the job of making the right decisions or taking the right actions to get Trump out of paying the price for his acts of malfeasance against the People.

OTOH, I think my representatives are doing a pretty good job of upholding and defending the Constitution that they swore to as part of their job description. Ergo, I don't have a need to personally decide at the polling booth whether Trump should keep his job or not. My Reps are doing that for me just like they should.

 

[nakedfrog]

Not sure if my sarcy meter is out of order so I'll take the "better to be sure route" with your post. Apologies if I took it the wrong way.

I made that comment in my previous post specifically to address the "let the voters decide" scam the Repubs are trying to pull in order to get Trump off the hook.

If the Repubs are going to go with that ploy then it seems to me they think the politicians they send to Congress aren't up to the job of making the right decisions or taking the right actions to get Trump out of paying the price for his acts of malfeasance against the People.

OTOH, I think my representatives are doing a pretty good job of upholding and defending the Constitution that they swore to as part of their job description. Ergo, I don't have a need to personally decide at the polling booth whether Trump should keep his job or not. My Reps are doing that for me just like they should.

Sorry, I thought I piled it on pretty thick there

 

[compcons]

I'm already start to hear it. Bill Taylor's testimony has sent shock waves throughout the GOP bubble. Sondland has already lied and when others come in to corroborate Taylor Republicans will be left with a final defense, Don't impeach let the voters decide.

This is a false choice and here's why. Trump will continue to solicit help in rigging the vote. What did Trump do 2 days after Robert Mueller's testimony? Make the infamous phone call to Zelensky. What has he done since? Publicly ask Russia and China for help in digging up dirt on Democrats, which is illegal. We already know the Russians hacked into the voting systems of all 50 states.

We're Supposed to Believe the Russians Hacked Into Voting Systems But Did Nothing Once They Got There?

In which we learn a hostile foreign intelligence agency got into election systems in all 50 states.

www.esquire.com

What makes anyone think the Russians are beyond actually altering the votes either before or after election day? How will we be able to trust the outcome? Republicans are already blocking legislation to secure our voting systems. Why are not paper backups required in all 50 states? If the outcome is in question the odds are <0 DOJ would have an honest investigation.

There is too much at stake for this guy to remain in office.

THIS.

It took years for a report detailing the crimes committed during the 2016 election. Nothing has happened to most involved.
Multiple reports have clearly shown that we were and are under attack by foreign governments. Yet, no legislation is passed mandating controls for voting systems and Republican Sec of State actively refused to acknowledge the problem.

The response to 2016 was basically "well they didn't actually change any votes". The emboldened Russians could blatantly alter the election and it would take years before anything meaningful was done about it. By then, the GOP could control the entire government and have rigged the system to maintain control indefinitely. I imagine the actual vote tampering would get public attention, the newly elected GOP government would express concern and start "investigating" while simultaneously subtly legislating their way to impunity. The "investigation" would yield no "evidence" and things would go back to normal.

12 years for now, we will all be waiting to see if the next election is cancelled. Again.

 

[tweaker2]

THIS.

It took years for a report detailing the crimes committed during the 2016 election. Nothing has happened to most involved.
Multiple reports have clearly shown that we were and are under attack by foreign governments. Yet, no legislation is passed mandating controls for voting systems and Republican Sec of State actively refused to acknowledge the problem.

The response to 2016 was basically "well they didn't actually change any votes". The emboldened Russians could blatantly alter the election and it would take years before anything meaningful was done about it. By then, the GOP could control the entire government and have rigged the system to maintain control indefinitely. I imagine the actual vote tampering would get public attention, the newly elected GOP government would express concern and start "investigating" while simultaneously subtly legislating their way to impunity. The "investigation" would yield no "evidence" and things would go back to normal.

12 years for now, we will all be waiting to see if the next election is cancelled. Again.

That many voters disapproved of how the Trump admin.and its rubber stamping Repub owned and operated Congress brought corruption to heights never seen before and decided to give the House of Reps to the Dems gave me hope that the majority of Americans were still paying attention to what their leadership was up to. All of those folks are now seeing in real time how that forcefully applied decision of theirs is bearing fruit. The same system of gov't that brought forth the worst president to ever hold office in modern times is also holding him accountable for his crimes. For now, it seems justice is being served.

However, it was complacency among the nation's progressive voters together with a Repub Party that was primed for action after having to live under the rule of a "black Muslim commie" for eight excruciatingly long years that in part gave rise to the likes of Trump and the incredible realization that Russians were controlling his decision making processes.

I really do hope the left will forever keep in mind what happens when a Repub Party in decline recognizes the inevitable fate that awaits them and what they are capable of to avoid that from happening.

As we have all been witness to, desperation breeds contempt for the Rule of Law as well as the need to constitute a corrupted system of gov't in order to prolong the false relevancy of a party in disarray.

We need keep very aware of how the Repub Party is going to respond to this threat to their "legitimacy" as a major influence on the body politic.

*damn, apologies for the long winded response. I was a victim of wandering around in my train of thought*

 

[tweaker2]

Sorry, I thought I piled it on pretty thick there

Hey, no prob. It gave me a chance to reiterate the point I was trying to make.