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Upcoming cameras. This is exciting.

Cattykit

Senior member
(Damn, I just lost two paragraphs I wrote in last 20 mins. I don't feel like writing all that stuff again so I'll just write a few key points.)

Things have been slow in the DSLR, DSLT, EVIL world. It'll all change in a few months. Canon 5d mk2, Nikon D800, Sony A77 and NEX7 is expected to be announced soon. Below is what I expect and want.

5d mk3:
AF- It'll need to update AF module; no more minor improvement over aged original 5d AF module. It would be awesome if it gets 7d AF module. What ever Canon decides, I'm positive it'll be far better than current 5d mk2's AF system. Less shutter lag, black-out time, a bit faster fps is also expected unless Canon still wants to play the game in their own way.

Video- 5d mk2's video is already damn sweet but it's got a serious problem just like the other current dslr,dslt,evil cameras (except Panasonic GH1,2.)
Will it abandon line-skipping method and use down-sampling to fix moire/aliasing/false-color? If so, it'll also increase noise performance by a big margin.

MPEG-2 based 4:2:2 codec? Considering how 5d mk2 became a milestone among videographers and there's high expectation for mk3, I think it's possible although I highly doubt it. Maybe, Canon might give MPEG-2, 10bit, 4:2:2 codec to 5d mk2, 7d and the rest stay with MPEG4-h.264.

Nikon D800.
What's there to improve? D700 + new high MP sensor will keep people happy. However, that's not how Nikon plays the game. They may again add mind-blowing features.

Video - Higher bitrate and live-view mode needs to be improved. Even if they don't plan to go head to head with Canon in this area, bitrate should at least be higher than 24mbps. The crucial point is fixing live-view mode exposure problem in manual mode. Because of this reason alone, videographers have been avoiding Nikon.

Sony A77, NEX7.
I have really high hopes for these cameras. Unlike Canon and Nikon, they'll use EVF instead of OVF. If I was only in for photography, I would prefer OVF over EVF. However, videography has become very important for me and OVF is useless when shooting video. Also, it's expected to use OLED 3MP EVF. That sounds damn sweet. Even those who hate EVF might change their mind. Photographic IQ should be top notch considering excellency of recent Sony CMOS sensors.

video - Sony need to make big improvements here. Add manual control, 24p, more bitrate, and fix heating problem. Considering how recent Sony's P&S cameras are getting 1080p60 @ 28mbps, 1080i60 @ 24mbps, I guess they'll probably up the bitrate by 24mbps as well from pathetic 17mbps.

However, I'm not so sure if they'll add manual control and 24p. They may want to protect cam market although it's doesn't really work that way. If Sony fails to deliver in this market segment, people go Canon instead of jumping into far more expensive Sony Cams.
 
Talking to a lof of experienced dSLR owners we tend to all agree sensor improvments are well into a diminishing returns ratio. APS-C is hitting a wall and already the micro 4/3rd crowd is catching up. Noise at base ISO requires luminance correction when several years ago it didn't.

Biggest gripe I find with Canon and Nikon owners is increasingly video. Obviously there's that annoying focusing issue, but as you mentioned above the compression ratio and format of these cameras is flat out terrible. I realized they weren't originally designed for it, but we need either some type of re-tooled RAW video mode or vastly less compression.
 
No. Sensor improvements are no way well into a diminishing return of ratio. MP race might be although that really isn't the case either. Sometimes, companies get caught up in the MP race and they'll try deliver more MP at the cost of other performances. Classic case would be Canon's 50d against 40d. Given that, people thought 15mp was too much for 1.6 crop sensor. Years passed by, technology improved. Now, look at 60D. Though it packs extra 8MP over 40D, it performs better. Look at recent Sony sensors, higher MP than ever yet they perform much better than ever before. FF 12MP 5D isn't even so special when compared to nowadays 1.5x 16mp Sony sensor in terms of pure sensor performance (EDIT: However, 5d is still special thanks to its weak LPF, DIGIC2, and beautiful vignetting). Look at P&S cams and crazy MP race they've been having. BSI technology comes along and it's not so bad anymore (it's still bad though.) APS-C would be only hitting the wall if they squeeze more MP without making "sensor improvements."

Regarding video...I don't wish for AF much. I know it could handy sometimes and I know I could make use of it. Yet, as with other professional videographers, I agree MF is way to go when shooting video. Look at Sony A55. It's got sweet AF but I find it terrible. AF hunting thus causing in-and-out of focus looks terrible. Even worse, when it does that, it changes FOV for we're dealing with photography lenses to begin with. Also, because it's too damn fast, it makes focus transition very abrupt and ugly. However, AF can be decent when shooting with a slow lens with almost none DOF.

And, what do you mean by compression ratio and how do you find it terrible?
 
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Talking to a lof of experienced dSLR owners we tend to all agree sensor improvments are well into a diminishing returns ratio. APS-C is hitting a wall and already the micro 4/3rd crowd is catching up. Noise at base ISO requires luminance correction when several years ago it didn't.

No way. Look at the sony/nikon D7000 sensor. Absolutely stuffed every other sensor on quantum efficiency. we've another stop to go at least on efficiency and for me more pixels the better, you can always dump resolution if you need to, never find extra if you want it.

Love my 7D for that, I can print huge or crop severely and still end up with results.

I'm going to strongly consider a 5D3 if/when it comes out. 7D af, 5fps, 32mp, 13+ stops DR = winner for me.
 
http://www.canonrumors.com/category/photography/canon-5d-mark-iii/

Nothing Major
Another known source has spoken up and said a 5D Mark II replacement will be in quarter 1 in 2012. It was also said the line would include a “surprise”.

Lenses
Canon has apparently told some dealers in Europe that the 5D2/24-70 kit will no longer be available.

Signs of a replacement of the 24-70 is starting to show some more signs.

EF 8-15 f/4L
I have been playing with one for a day or two, trying to figure out how to effectively use a fisheye. I’d like a review up by the end of next week.
 
nikon needs a 70-200 F4 AFS VR II

the 70-200 F4 L is the ONLY canon lens that i envy because there is no nikon equiv
 
nikon needs a 70-200 F4 AFS VR II

the 70-200 F4 L is the ONLY canon lens that i envy because there is no nikon equiv

Minolta has the 70-210 F4 "BeerCan" - it's a great lens. Wonder why Nikon doesn't have anything?
 
From Sonyalpharumors.com (SR5)


A77
24.3 MP Exmor HD CMOS sensor
19 points AF sensor with 11 cross sensors
ISO 100-16000, with expandeable ISO 50 option
1920 x 1080 60p/24p AVCHD 2.0
P/A/S/M manual controls while recording video
1200 zone metering
Completely new developed Bionz processor
12 fps
1/8000 shutter speed
TrueBlack 921k 3-way tilt LCD
3 million dot OLED viewfinder
Smart teleconverter function with 1.4x and 2.0x option
Built-in flash
Built-in GPS
Battery life with over over 500 shots
Magnesium alloy body
Dust and Moisture proof
Multi Frame NR
SD card (no CF!)
A65 (differences with the A77)
A77 has 19 point AF system with 11 cross sensors while the A65 has only 3 cross sensors.
A77 can do 12 fps while the A65 can do 10fps.
A77 has new 3 way tilting LCD, A65 has “classic” tilting LCD
A77 can do 50 ISO while A65 can not.
The A77 has a magnesium body while the A65 has not.
The A77 has 1/8000 shutter while A65 has a 1/4000 shutter
The A77 has a top LCD screen while the A65 has it not.
The A77 is Dust and Moisture proof while the A65 is not
NEX-7
24,3 Exmor HD sensor
100-16.000 ISO
1200 zone metering
1920×1080 60p/60i/24p AVCHD 2.0 (28Mbit/s) video recording
3 million dot XGA OLED viewfinder
3inch 921k TruBlack LCD display (touchscreen)
10 fps
20ms startup time
Built-in flash
New universal hot shoe
Battery life for over 400 shots
Magnesium alloy body
NEX-5N
16.1 MP Exmor sensor (Same us Sony NEX-C3)
ISO 100-25600
1920×1080 60p/60i/24p AVCHD 2.0 video recording
Shutter 1/4000
10 fps
Can take over 430 shots with one battery
Same AF speed as the GH2
VG-20
16 MPX Exmor sensor
1920×1080 60p/60i/24p AVCHD 2.0 video recording
Can record stills in RAW
3 inch touchscreen (swifel)
audio level control
IR AVR remote


If true. I'm ditching 5d mk2 and moving to NEX7. If it was just for photography, I would probably stay with 5d mk2 or other FF cameras. But, since I started to care a lot about video as well and want something compact, NEX7 seems to be a good choice. I guess I'll pick up original 5d for serious photography work.
 
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5D Mark III & More Information [CR1]

Random bits of information
5D Mark III (or similar) announced in the February timeframe.

Different sensor than the 1D Mark V
It is still not clear whether it will have 26, 28 or 32 megapixel.
The sensor tech of the 1D Mark V will be used for future crop bodies e.g. the 7D Mark II.
The 7D Mark II is a late 2012 camera.
Expect significantly better noise reduction in high ISO modes.
Another full frame camera for sports and press this fall?
Announcements could be as early as the week of August 29, 2011.
EF 14-24 f/2.8L
I’m told this will be announced in Q1 2012.

CR’s Take
This is a big [CR1], I am posting information that is at least plausible. Grain of salt and all that. Various rumor sites are going to get a lot of stuff coming our way in the next few weeks, sorting it is always a challenge.

Stoke the 1D Mark V Fire

1D Mark V Featureset Rumors
I received an email today outlining additional features of the upcoming 1D Mark V. Please note I do not yet have a [CR3] confirmation of a 1D Mark V being announced in August.

The 1D Mark V will have “built-in cropping”. You will be able to choose between full frame (32.4 mp), APS-H (27 mp) and APS-C (21 mp).
You can buy additional focusing screens to emulate cropping.
The fps are linked to the cropping factor. You can get 8.4 fps with APS-C and only 3.1 fps with full frame.
sRAW1 and sRAW2 is possible to speed up fps.
Burst mode will give you a max of 10.1 fps depending on the image size and buffer.
Expect some video tweaks.
RAW video was only enabled for the engineers.
Either a 24-70 II (no IS) or a 35 II will be announced with it.
CR’s Take
This is a BIG [CR1], rumor stuff is starting to heat up. I am going to post stuff that has at least ideas that are plausible.

1D Mark V
It’s rare to see a spec list such as the one below. It goes down the same path as most information coming in. The 1D & 1Ds will be merged into the 1D Mark V. The 1Ds will be replaced by a more studio oriented camera and called something else.

Specs of the 1D MK V

Image ratio w:h 3:2
Effective pixels 32,2 megapixels
Sensor photo detectors 32.5 megapixels
Sensor size Full frame (36 x 24 mm)
Sensor type CMOS
Processor Digic 5
ISO 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600, 3200, 6400, 12800 (50, 25600, 51200 and 102400 Hi)
White balance presets 8
Custom white balance Yes
Image stabilization No
Uncompressed format RAW JPEG quality levels Fine,
Normal (can have ratios programmed)
Autofocus Contrast Detect (sensor), Phase Detect, Multi-area, Selective single-point, Single, Continuous, Face Detection, Live View
Digital zoom No
Manual focus Yes
Number of focus points 45
Lens mount Canon EF mount
Focal length multiplier 1.0×
Articulated LCD Fixed
Screen size 3.2″
Screen dots 1.200,000
Touch screen No Live view Yes
Viewfinder type Optical (pentaprism)
Viewfinder coverage 100 %
Viewfinder magnification 0.76×
Minimum shutter speed 30 sec
Maximum shutter speed 1/8000 sec
Aperture priority Yes
Shutter priority Yes
Manual exposure mode Yes
Subject / scene modes No
Built-in flash No
External flash Yes (Hot-shoe plus Sync connector)
Flash modes External / Radio Controlled
Continuous drive Yes (9.1 fps)
Self-timer Yes (2 or 10 sec)
Metering modes Multi Center-weighted, Spot
Exposure compensation ±3 EV (at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
AE Bracketing ±3 (3 frames at 1/3 EV, 1/2 EV steps)
WB Bracketing Yes (3 frames in either blue/amber or magenta/green axis)
Format H.264
Audio channels Stereo
Clips Yes (1920 x 1080 (120, 60, 30, 25, 24 fps, 1280 x 720 (120, 60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (120, 60, 50 fps))
HD Modes 1920 x 1080 (120, 60, 30, 25, 24 fps, 1280 x 720 (120, 60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (120, 60, 50 fps) FPS 1920 x 1080 (120, 60, 30, 25, 24 fps, 1280 x 720 (120, 60, 50 fps), 640 x 480 (120, 60, 50 fps)
Storage types Compact Flash (Type I or II), UDMA, SD/SDHC card
Storage included None
USB USB 3.0
HDMI Yes
Remote control Yes (N3 connector)
Environmentally sealed Yes
Battery Battery Pack
Battery description Lithium-Ion LP-E4 rechargeable battery & charger
Battery Life (CIPA) 1500
Weight (inc. batteries) 1228 g
Dimensions 157 x 159 x 80 mm
Orientation sensor Yes
Timelapse recording Yes (by cable and PC)
 
No way. Look at the sony/nikon D7000 sensor

I shoot with Canon - I don't give a **** what Nikon is doing.

I also shoot mostly to make 30x20 metal prints, and have to upscale as it is. The quality difference between ISI 100 -vs- 200 with my 60D is obnoxious in terms of shadow noise, even though I admit this would be less of a problem if I had a D7000.
 
I shoot with Canon - I don't give a **** what Nikon is doing.

I also shoot mostly to make 30x20 metal prints, and have to upscale as it is. The quality difference between ISI 100 -vs- 200 with my 60D is obnoxious in terms of shadow noise, even though I admit this would be less of a problem if I had a D7000.

The comment was about APS-C reaching limits, which is something Sony (not nikon, they don't make sensors anymore) quite clearly disproves with the D7K.
 
The comment was about APS-C reaching limits, which is something Sony (not nikon, they don't make sensors anymore) quite clearly disproves with the D7K.

Exactly. At first, you (spikespiegal) made it clear your statement is not only about Canon sensors but general APS-C ones. Even further, you also mentioned Nikon along with Canon when talking about video.
Now, you claim "I shoot with Canon - I don't give a **** what Nikon is doing."

What???? that's a childish way of withdrawing from an argument you started. Prove your point or admit you were wrong.

Anyways, could you answer this please:
What do you mean by compression ratio and how do you find it terrible?
 
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