'Unwinnable' comment draws GOP fire

DealMonkey

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'Unwinnable' comment draws GOP fire
Democratic lawmaker says changes needed for victory
From Ted Barrett
CNN Washington Bureau
Thursday, May 6, 2004 Posted: 7:19 PM EDT (2319 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A pro-military Democratic congressman's description of the war in Iraq as "unwinnable" unless changes are made sparked anger in House Republicans Thursday.

Rep. John Murtha, D-Pennsylvania, in a news conference with Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, D-California, said the problems in Iraq are due to a "lack of planning" by Pentagon chiefs and "the direction has got be changed or it is unwinnable."

Republicans seized on that word, ignoring Murtha's overall point: that more troops and equipment should be sent to Iraq.

Rep. Tom DeLay, R-Texas, the majority leader, accused Murtha of participating in a "calculated and craven political stunt."

"The Democrats are quitting, calling the war unwinnable while we have our men and women and their families sacrificing every day" charged Rep. Sam Johnson, R-Texas, who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Democrats are "basically giving aid and comfort to the enemy," echoed Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas.


Murtha usually wins high praise from Republicans for regularly supporting increases to the Pentagon's budget. As the top defense appropriator in his party, his views tend to carry a lot of weight.

But the word "unwinnable" -- which greeted lawmakers Thursday morning above the fold in the Capitol Hill newspaper Roll Call -- quickly became a Republican target.

Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-California, who chairs the appropriations' defense subcommittee, said his friend was co-opted by Pelosi so she could drum up opposition to the war she voted against.

He said it was part of "movement" by Pelosi and her strategists "because it could have an impact on election time."

She's "using the issue for purely campaign political purposes," Lewis said.

At the news conference, Pelosi said Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld should resign because of his handling of the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal.

"He has been engaged in a cover-up on this issue and continues to be," she said.

Murtha complained that the administration treats Congress "with absolute arrogance" but said he doesn't want Rumsfeld to resign.

He also said he does not think the United States should withdraw from Iraq. Rather, he said, more troops and supplies should be sent.

"We cannot prevail in this war with the policy we have today. We need to mobilize or get out," he said.

"It would be devastating to pull out now, but it may be impossible to mobilize now that the public has turned against it," he said.

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DealMonkey

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My point, for the reading-comprehension-impaired, is that super-patriot, John Murtha, has been slandered by GOP scum and Texas dimwits like Michael Burgess, who essentially accused John of TREASON! Despite the fact that Murtha completely supports the American war machine and death mongering in the Middle East.

How dare the GOP make such divisive comments about a fellow member of Congress who is guilty of nothing but wanting total and complete victory for the empire and domination of the heathen scum terrorists who oppose us?
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Ah, here we go with the calling people out. :roll:

And you tried to say my thread was childish....:roll:

CkG

Cad, this is right up your alley! You are the chosen defender of all those taken out of context. Do your thing man!
 

Spamela

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it's so simple:

question results & you're a traitor, or at least being "political."
question methods & you're a traitor, or at least being "political."
question goals & you're a traitor, or at least being "political."
 

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
My point, for the reading-comprehension-impaired, is that super-patriot, John Murtha, has been slandered by GOP scum and Texas dimwits like Michael Burgess, who essentially accused John of TREASON! Despite the fact that Murtha completely supports the American war machine and death mongering in the Middle East.

How dare the GOP make such divisive comments about a fellow member of Congress who is guilty of nothing but wanting total and complete victory for the empire and domination of the heathen scum terrorists who oppose us?


I comprende fine, I just didn't know what you were asking.

I wouldn't call him treasonous, but I would say his concerns should never have been aired in public.

It's just like yesterday, hell, it's just like this whole prisoner abuse scandal. This could've been handled in a dignified and private manner. They guilty could've been convicted, and reperations could've been made without the whole world seeing Ted Kennedy grand-standing yesterday.
 

CADsortaGUY

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The issue here is the "winnablitiy":p of the war. The Representative is allowed her opinion, but he is not the expert in military affairs and must realize that. His critique of the current plan can be noted. Was he unfairly jumped on for that "unwinnable" comment? Sure, but one needs to watch their words carefully when they hold an elected office(which differs from the other case;)). "In order to better win the war..." would have been a much more appropriate statement as the first one put him in the position of accusing - not suggesting.

CkG
 

Spencer278

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Originally posted by: hokiezilla
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
My point, for the reading-comprehension-impaired, is that super-patriot, John Murtha, has been slandered by GOP scum and Texas dimwits like Michael Burgess, who essentially accused John of TREASON! Despite the fact that Murtha completely supports the American war machine and death mongering in the Middle East.

How dare the GOP make such divisive comments about a fellow member of Congress who is guilty of nothing but wanting total and complete victory for the empire and domination of the heathen scum terrorists who oppose us?


I comprende fine, I just didn't know what you were asking.

I wouldn't call him treasonous, but I would say his concerns should never have been aired in public.

It's just like yesterday, hell, it's just like this whole prisoner abuse scandal. This could've been handled in a dignified and private manner. They guilty could've been convicted, and reperations could've been made without the whole world seeing Ted Kennedy grand-standing yesterday.

Back to the we should be like china/Soviot union defences.
 

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Too bad he can't bitch slap those people that are blatantly warping what he said.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: SuperTool
Lots of hot air in Texas these times of year.

kerry was in Texas? ;)

Oh nevermind...my bad...kerry's would be "not to hot" yet "not too cold" air wouldn't it? :p

Still waiting for DM to reply to my post;)

CkG
 

konichiwa

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Lots of hot air in Texas these times of year.

kerry was in Texas? ;)

Oh nevermind...my bad...kerry's would be "not to hot" yet "not too cold" air wouldn't it? :p

Still waiting for DM to reply to my post;)

CkG

Your post didn't answer his question. He's commenting that the republicans basically labelling this dem a treasoner because he said the war is unwinnable unless certain things change is ludicrous and a prime example of the "calculated and craven political stunt" they accuse him of being a part of.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: konichiwa
Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Lots of hot air in Texas these times of year.

kerry was in Texas? ;)

Oh nevermind...my bad...kerry's would be "not to hot" yet "not too cold" air wouldn't it? :p

Still waiting for DM to reply to my post;)

CkG

Your post didn't answer his question. He's commenting that the republicans basically labelling this dem a treasoner because he said the war is unwinnable unless certain things change is ludicrous and a prime example of the "calculated and craven political stunt" they accuse him of being a part of.

No, my post answered this issue just fine. I said that it was not a "fair" assesment, but offered a statement that if used may have prevented the contextual misuse. The person who made the statement did so in a seemingly accusational way which in gov't realms will get quick reaction from the other side. No excuse for the backlash - just making the point that elected officials need to speak carefully - especially about war. IMO the original statement wasn't out of line but the reaction to them was overblown and stripped it of context.

CkG
 

Gaard

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I'm just wondering to myself how this 'out of context' phrase that you've been voicing lately would fit in your 'Foragainst' thread.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Gaard
I'm just wondering to myself how this 'out of context' phrase that you've been voicing lately would fit in your 'Foragainst' thread.

go ahead:) keep in mind that kerry is a politician campaigning. Also keep in mind that he is trying to create a perception of himself with every speech and "decision". kerry's "nuancing" is quite blatant - I find it hard to believe you would believe otherwise;)
If you are up to it - be my guest:D

CkG
 

Gaard

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kerry's "nuancing" is quite blatant - I find it hard to believe you would believe otherwise

I don't believe I've ever stated otherwise. On the contrary, I've gone on record stating that Kerry does flip-flop. Of course, unlike you and heartsurgeon, I've also gone on record stating Bush does as well. I haven't figured out if it's hypocrisy, cowardice, embarrassment, or partisanship that keeps you from doing the same.

Oh well, you're free to bleat on.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Gaard
kerry's "nuancing" is quite blatant - I find it hard to believe you would believe otherwise

I don't believe I've ever stated otherwise. On the contrary, I've gone on record stating that Kerry does flip-flop. Of course, unlike you and heartsurgeon, I've also gone on record stating Bush does as well. I haven't figured out if it's hypocrisy, cowardice, embarrassment, or partisanship that keeps you from doing the same.

Oh well, you're free to bleat on.

Well, it's none of the above;)

CkG
 

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considering the guys who 'slandered' murtha probably only saw the uncorrected statements of murtha the press reported hours after murtha had clarified himself, this thread is just another pejorative attempt by a forums member