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Unsecured WLAN Illegal

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YoshiSato

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Too bad I don't live in NYC. Gees I charge $150 for a network setup with 2 computers + $25 for each extra device. + it's not that hard to turn on WEP(which is worthless can be hacked in 5 minutes even at 128 bit)
 
That's absolutely horrendous. Way to respond to privacy concerns raised by the unchecked arrogance of faceless corporate data brokers by making life more difficult for Joe User.
 
WEP is definitely not worthless. Only a tiny percentage of computer users would be able to figure out how to do it and have any sort of desire to do so..i.e. not someone likely to be your neighbor.

It's like locking your car when you park it. Sure a thief can break into it in 8 seconds, but a high high majority of people will be deterred from wanting to mess with it..
 
Originally posted by: phisrow
That's absolutely horrendous. Way to respond to privacy concerns raised by the unchecked arrogance of faceless corporate data brokers by making life more difficult for Joe User.
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QFT
 
Imanaged if the city fined you for not locking your house. After all in New York City crime is something to worry about.
 
Seems stupid to include companies that don't have any aspect of their business connected to the network, but having said that any quality wireless router supports WEP at a minimum & should support WPA as well... both are pretty easy to implement and WPA at least is pretty effective too so theres really no excuse aside from laziness not to encrypt your wireless network.
 
If you lock the MAC addresses no on can access your WLAN if their MAC is not on the list.
Takes like 4 minutes to setup.
 
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
If you lock the MAC addresses no on can access your WLAN if their MAC is not on the list.
Takes like 4 minutes to setup.
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4 minutes per user. when you work in IT (or if you don't, as in a coffee shop), that's a tremendous amount of overhead.
 
The first thing to security is to make something not very common.

If they get more households/comanies that have these security measure implemented, then it's going to be more vulnerable.

Think of it like this:
We live in age before the lock with levers. If only me, and a few people (i.e.: a small percentage in a big city, or small country) use a lock with a lever system, only certain people would have the knowledge of how to pick a lock because not that many people would be interested in picking a lock, and would be put off by it. Now, if the gov't introduces a law saying that everyone must have a lock, then the locks will become commonplace, and more people will get interested in the workings of a lock, and therefore more "bad" people will be able to pick a lock.

I don't know if you understand this, but this is, what I think, will happen.
 
I do both MAC filtering and 128-bit WEP (HEX Key). I also block ping requests from the WAN side, but my SSID is turned on.

I fooled around with WPA once but it only slowed my connection it seemed.
 
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
If you lock the MAC addresses no on can access your WLAN if their MAC is not on the list.
Takes like 4 minutes to setup.
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MAC spoofing FTW!!!
 
Originally posted by: tami
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
If you lock the MAC addresses no on can access your WLAN if their MAC is not on the list.
Takes like 4 minutes to setup.
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4 minutes per user. when you work in IT (or if you don't, as in a coffee shop), that's a tremendous amount of overhead.
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4 minutes per user? Dang, you type slow or something.
 
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Originally posted by: tami
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
If you lock the MAC addresses no on can access your WLAN if their MAC is not on the list.
Takes like 4 minutes to setup.
Click to expand...

4 minutes per user. when you work in IT (or if you don't, as in a coffee shop), that's a tremendous amount of overhead.
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4 minutes per user? Dang, you type slow or something.
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Especially since you're average home user is only going to need to list one MAC address.
 
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: ScottSwingleComputers
Originally posted by: tami
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
If you lock the MAC addresses no on can access your WLAN if their MAC is not on the list.
Takes like 4 minutes to setup.
Click to expand...

4 minutes per user. when you work in IT (or if you don't, as in a coffee shop), that's a tremendous amount of overhead.
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4 minutes per user? Dang, you type slow or something.
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Especially since you're average home user is only going to need to list one MAC address.
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Actually it takes less than a minute per MAC. I just like to mutiply to repair times by a factor of four. That way should something not work right I have 3 minutes to find out what in god's name is wrong and fix it before someone starts to cry.
 
Originally posted by: DaFinn
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
If you lock the MAC addresses no on can access your WLAN if their MAC is not on the list.
Takes like 4 minutes to setup.
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MAC spoofing FTW!!!
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lol i was gonna say just that😉 but yea, no one cept a freakish geek is really going to try or know how. if ti were that easy to fix wep they wouldn't have come up with the new protection schemes😉
 
This thing with this new law is What constitues secure?
A friend of mine who has a wireless network setup in his house is so open it's not funny. He had DCHP enabled, no wep and the default linksys admin password. I told him I could hack his network so easy I could give me a brand new defination of violation and rape.
There is not question he would be fined under the law.

How ever what about the peopel that enable WEP? Sure some stupid government man(IE your city mayor or councel member) who is driving by won't be able to iget nto your network. But someone from the FBI or even the city's computer crimes department will turn your WEP into putty in no time. Even your neighborhood tech geek could do that as well.

Do we really want to hold people(home users) or businesses responsible for when someone breaks into their networks?

Would we fine a home owner for not locking his house when he goes to work?

What if he had a security system it was turned on however his how got broken into anyways and things were stolen? Should he the owner be punished because he did not secure his home well enough? What is enough secuirty?

And don't tell me common sense dictates what enough security is. Some people would say if a secuirty system is not enough you should invest in some ARMED guards.

 
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
If you lock the MAC addresses no on can access your WLAN if their MAC is not on the list.
Takes like 4 minutes to setup.
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You know you can spoof mac addresses right?
 
Originally posted by: YoshiSato
If you lock the MAC addresses no on can access your WLAN if their MAC is not on the list.
Takes like 4 minutes to setup.
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It takes me 4 minutes to figure out one of your MAC addresses and change the MAC address of my card to be the same as yours.
 
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