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Unrippable DVDs?

homestarmy

Diamond Member
I've had two DVDs that I have not been able to back up. Each of them I tried my copy and another person's. Both of them will crap out at a certain percent when analyzing the disk when it is first loaded in DVDShrink and I wasn't able to rip them with DVD Decryptor, or even copy them to the HDD manually.

Is this just luck, or is there new technology that I haven't heard about?

The two movies were Resident Evil II and The Forgotten.

Again, just wondering if there is some new technology that is preventing this...? 😕
 
It's possible that your drive is one of the easier to defeat ones.

There is no technology that will prevent bit-for-bit copying without breaking the usability of the media
 
I haven't heard of anything like that, though it could theoretically be some extension of that auto-installing driver crap they were marketing for CDs. You... have disabled autoplay, right?

Beyond that it could just be bad luck. Can you play 'em in your computer? And what's the error message you get in DVD Decryptor. Keep in mind that the default retry count for DVD Decryptor is pretty high, so if it encounters a bad sector it'll spend a while on it.
 
If the surface is not scratched, try Samrtripper 2.4 instead. Sometimes DVD Decrypter has problems with certain DVDS while they are OK with Smartripper.
 
There are certain older DVD-ROM drives that choke when trying to rip new double-layer discs. I had a Samsung piece of crap that handled old DVDs fine and always hung up on newer DVDs. Changing drives solved the problem, as far as I know no media is uncopyable. What's your make and model of DVD drive?
 
Originally posted by: tigerbait
read:
http://www.mrbass.org/dvdshrink/

the discs features Sony's new ARccOS - DVD-Video Copy Control

Oh dear, a Sony anti-copy scheme? Whatever shall people do in the face of such an unassailable fortress of digital protection?

For those of you with short memories, Sony was responsible for the Key2Audio technology that was supposed to make it impossible to pirate CDs. Key2Audio was defeated with a black magic marker.
 
'my friend' had a problem with Resident Evil 2 also, but 'he' got another copy from Blockbuster and it worked fine...

after seeing only the first 15 minutes of it, 'he' says you aren't missing much...

'he' used DVD decrypter...
 
Originally posted by: metalmania
If the surface is not scratched, try Samrtripper 2.4 instead. Sometimes DVD Decrypter has problems with certain DVDS while they are OK with Smartripper.

The reason SmartRipper is "OK" with more discs is because it is designed to get around copy/ripping protection and is illegal to use in the U.S. Just an FYI.
 
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Originally posted by: metalmania
If the surface is not scratched, try Samrtripper 2.4 instead. Sometimes DVD Decrypter has problems with certain DVDS while they are OK with Smartripper.

The reason SmartRipper is "OK" with more discs is because it is designed to get around copy/ripping protection and is illegal to use in the U.S. Just an FYI.

And DVD Decrypter is not?
 
Originally posted by: homestarmy
I've had two DVDs that I have not been able to back up. Each of them I tried my copy and another person's. Both of them will crap out at a certain percent when analyzing the disk when it is first loaded in DVDShrink and I wasn't able to rip them with DVD Decryptor, or even copy them to the HDD manually.

Is this just luck, or is there new technology that I haven't heard about?

The two movies were Resident Evil II and The Forgotten.

Again, just wondering if there is some new technology that is preventing this...? 😕

My 'friend' had a problem with The Forgotten as well, he figured out a way though
 
Originally posted by: tigerbait
read:
http://www.mrbass.org/dvdshrink/

the discs features Sony's new ARccOS - DVD-Video Copy Control
This amuses me. I mean it looks like there was a work around with DVD Decrypter even before the damn DVDs were released. (I don't remember seeing Forgotten or Res Evil 2 in the stores before Jan 5th, the release date of the latest version of DVD Decrypter) The best part is that Sony probably spent millions on this scheme and it was thwarted by freeware. Although it's not as satisfying as it being thwarted by a sharpie.
 
get the newest version of dvd decryptor.. it works when the purposly put errors on the first track or throughout the movie.
 
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: metalmania
Why Smartripper is illegal? 🙂

Basically, because copyright laws have made it illegal to avoid copyright protection.

I didn't check the tech specs of DVD Decrypter and Smartripper, so you mean DVD Decrypter does not avoid copyright protection?

 
Originally posted by: metalmania
Originally posted by: Krk3561
Originally posted by: metalmania
Why Smartripper is illegal? 🙂

Basically, because copyright laws have made it illegal to avoid copyright protection.

I didn't check the tech specs of DVD Decrypter and Smartripper, so you mean DVD Decrypter does not avoid copyright protection?

DVD Decrypter is just as illegal to use on copyright protected DVDs as Smartripper

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Does that mean the DVD player with "Macrovision Disabled" function is illegal when you play DVDs and record on a VHS tape? 🙂 sounds silly.
 
Originally posted by: metalmania
Does that mean the DVD player with "Macrovision Disabled" function is illegal when you play DVDs and record on a VHS tape? 🙂 sounds silly.

Write your congresman then...
 
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