Unofficial high end Agp, CPU bottlenecking thread

[happy medium]

To sum it up. Looks like we now have the entire 7900 lineup from Nvidia comming to Agp.
7900gs, 7950gt (256 & 512mb). I would guess the GTX too soon.

We also have the 1950gt, 1950pro (256mb & 512mb),and 1950xt from ati/AMD.

Mabe we can use this thread to help each other with questions about cpu bottlenecks, power requirements, price/ performance, and thermal differences ect.ect.



To start off I'm leaning towards the 7950gt over the 1900 series because the Nvidia cards seem to run cooler and with less power use. If I don't have to, I don't want to spend money on a new power supply. Does my 7800gs (overclocked) use as much power as a stock 7950gt?

I know my cpu is going to bottleneck this card but some games are GPU bottlenecked with my 7800gs (FEAR) so it might make a good upgrade. I like the 512mb also.

EDIT: BUMP for a sticky

 

[apoppin]

if you want a *stickied* thread, you might link to some threads we already have in your first post and update links as necessary ...

like Paratus' P4 bottlenecking topic

but yeah, they finally took *my* suggestions

frankly i think they are a little late ...
morons ... they could have offered it 6 months ago after they got the PCIe early upgraders.

by next year, who will really care?
AGP will be waay behind PCIe when full DX10 games are finally out ... unless they are gonna make more AGP MBs that support the latest CPUs
--you think?
:Q

it's good for 'now' and to *squeeze* the last dollar out of us AGPers

 

[lavaheadache]

good idea me thinks, This way we can stop congesting Video with 10 different threads about the same card. We already have the X1900 clocks speed fiasco threads starting about AGP cards. LOL. I hope I'm not coming off being negative because I'm not trying to be

 

[Munky]

According to techreport the 7950gt uses about as much power as a x1950pro, and I doubt your PSU would handle either one.

 

[happy medium]

Originally posted by: munky
According to techreport the 7950gt uses about as much power as a x1950pro, and I doubt your PSU would handle either one.

That link shows the 76oogt at 179 watts. That would have to put my overclocked 7800gs at 185 watts or more at least you would think? The 7950gt stock (I won't need to overclock) is only 18 watts more. My 12v+ rail should be fine at 26 amps? I also thought the 7800 series needed more power then the 7900 series due to die shrink?

Thanks Munky

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: lavaheadache
good idea me thinks, This way we can stop congesting Video with 10 different threads about the same card. We already have the X1900 clocks speed fiasco threads starting about AGP cards. LOL. I hope I'm not coming off being negative because I'm not trying to be

look how well that last "AGP is not dead" thread lasted ... it kept getting updated

pretty soon there will be 10 more threads about each nvidia AGP card
:Q

i guess i could upgrade to one last APG video card ...

my 3.4EE will have to do 3.8Ghz
... a new watercooler ... sigh ....


at least my PS is *fine*
:heart:

 

[happy medium]

Heres a guide to all video card wattages under full load . Video card only. ATI and Nvidia.
I googled this.

http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=7&t=9354

Looks like the 7950gt uses 3 watts less power than my 7800gs, and 18 watts less then the 1950pro.
And I have my 7800gs overclocked too. I'm going to give it a go with this psu I think.

 

[Stumps]

the 7900GS and 7900GT have been availible in AGP for a little while...just not in the US.

Currently they aren't worth the cost because the X1950Pro can be had for considerably less and it performs better.

But I'm currently on my last AGP video card...my trusty Sapphire X1950PRO 512mb..it will serve me for a bit longer until I get myself a new PCI-E video card (I'll wait till R600 is out before making a decision)....luckly I have a board now that supports both AGP and PCI-E...thank you Asrock

but there is still plenty of CPU headroom left for high end AGP cards, at least on those setup that use a high end A64 or C2D (like me )
My oc'd 4300 gives my X1950Pro plenty of room to stretch it's legs...

I just feel sorry for all those people that are still using lowly P4's and EE's with X1950's...what a waste of a perfectly good video card.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Stumps
the 7900GS and 7900GT have been availible in AGP for a little while...just not in the US.

Currently they aren't worth the cost because the X1950Pro can be had for considerably less and it performs better.

But I'm currently on my last AGP video card...my trusty Sapphire X1950PRO 512mb..it will serve me for a bit longer until I get myself a new PCI-E video card (I'll wait till R600 is out before making a decision)....luckly I have a board now that supports both AGP and PCI-E...thank you Asrock

but there is still plenty of CPU headroom left for high end AGP cards, at least on those setup that use a high end A64 or C2D (like me )
My oc'd 4300 gives my X1950Pro plenty of room to stretch it's legs...

I just feel sorry for all those people that are still using lowly P4's and EE's with X1950's...what a waste of a perfectly good video card.

you wanted a response, didn't you?

ok



. .. .

HOW much higher than mine is your 3DMark05 score?



seriously ... you mean you *wouldn't * consider a faster GPU if it blew away your current Pro?

saw, 12-15,000 in 3Dmark06?
:Q

tempted?


i know i'd be ... until my CPU was really lagging ... and i *can* get 3.8Ghz

 

[evolucion8]

Well said appopin, a P4 EE is the fastest and best P4 gaming CPU for socket 478 (Even can rival other socket 775 P4 in gaming). And performs on par against a Athlon FX 55 which still a good gaming CPU.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps
the 7900GS and 7900GT have been availible in AGP for a little while...just not in the US.

Currently they aren't worth the cost because the X1950Pro can be had for considerably less and it performs better.

But I'm currently on my last AGP video card...my trusty Sapphire X1950PRO 512mb..it will serve me for a bit longer until I get myself a new PCI-E video card (I'll wait till R600 is out before making a decision)....luckly I have a board now that supports both AGP and PCI-E...thank you Asrock

but there is still plenty of CPU headroom left for high end AGP cards, at least on those setup that use a high end A64 or C2D (like me )
My oc'd 4300 gives my X1950Pro plenty of room to stretch it's legs...

I just feel sorry for all those people that are still using lowly P4's and EE's with X1950's...what a waste of a perfectly good video card.

you wanted a response, didn't you?

ok



. .. .

HOW much higher than mine is your 3DMark05 score?



seriously ... you mean you *wouldn't * consider a faster GPU if it blew away your current Pro?

saw, 12-15,000 in 3Dmark06?
:Q

tempted?


i know i'd be ... until my CPU was really lagging ... and i *can* get 3.8Ghz

I can't see any point in purchasing another high end AGP card for myself, now that my mobo has a PCI-E graphics slot on it, and my other rigs just aren't that important to me to justify another AGP upgrade...well maybe my A64 might get something decent in the near future...but for now it will make do with my 7800GS OC.

But really for me now...it just makes no sense...I can now make use of most high end PCI-E video cards, so an AGP card that is capable of 12000 point's in 3Dmark is just not worth the added cost to keep using AGP.

But this all just me...you guys can feel free to keep using good ole AGP...there is nothing wrong with that, hey I'm still using my X1950Pro for the time being...and once I get my 2GB DDR2 ram upgrade out of the way, I'll just probably bite the bullet and get a DX10 PCI-E card and the GA-965P-S3 that I've wanted for a while...and then my E4300 can really stretch it's legs.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps
the 7900GS and 7900GT have been availible in AGP for a little while...just not in the US.

Currently they aren't worth the cost because the X1950Pro can be had for considerably less and it performs better.

But I'm currently on my last AGP video card...my trusty Sapphire X1950PRO 512mb..it will serve me for a bit longer until I get myself a new PCI-E video card (I'll wait till R600 is out before making a decision)....luckly I have a board now that supports both AGP and PCI-E...thank you Asrock

but there is still plenty of CPU headroom left for high end AGP cards, at least on those setup that use a high end A64 or C2D (like me )
My oc'd 4300 gives my X1950Pro plenty of room to stretch it's legs...

I just feel sorry for all those people that are still using lowly P4's and EE's with X1950's...what a waste of a perfectly good video card.

you wanted a response, didn't you?

ok



. .. .

HOW much higher than mine is your 3DMark05 score?



seriously ... you mean you *wouldn't * consider a faster GPU if it blew away your current Pro?

saw, 12-15,000 in 3Dmark06?
:Q

tempted?


i know i'd be ... until my CPU was really lagging ... and i *can* get 3.8Ghz

I can't see any point in purchasing another high end AGP card for myself, now that my mobo has a PCI-E graphics slot on it, and my other rigs just aren't that important to me to justify another AGP upgrade...well maybe my A64 might get something decent in the near future...but for now it will make do with my 7800GS OC.

But really for me now...it just makes no sense...I can now make use of most high end PCI-E video cards, so an AGP card that is capable of 12000 point's in 3Dmark is just not worth the added cost to keep using AGP.

But this all just me...you guys can feel free to keep using good ole AGP...there is nothing wrong with that, hey I'm still using my X1950Pro for the time being...and once I get my 2GB DDR2 ram upgrade out of the way, I'll just probably bite the bullet and get a DX10 PCI-E card and the GA-965P-S3 that I've wanted for a while...and then my E4300 can really stretch it's legs.

so ... as i see it ... i am 100% happy with my rig and you are already planning your next upgrade

OK

i am OK with that

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps
the 7900GS and 7900GT have been availible in AGP for a little while...just not in the US.

Currently they aren't worth the cost because the X1950Pro can be had for considerably less and it performs better.

But I'm currently on my last AGP video card...my trusty Sapphire X1950PRO 512mb..it will serve me for a bit longer until I get myself a new PCI-E video card (I'll wait till R600 is out before making a decision)....luckly I have a board now that supports both AGP and PCI-E...thank you Asrock

but there is still plenty of CPU headroom left for high end AGP cards, at least on those setup that use a high end A64 or C2D (like me )
My oc'd 4300 gives my X1950Pro plenty of room to stretch it's legs...

I just feel sorry for all those people that are still using lowly P4's and EE's with X1950's...what a waste of a perfectly good video card.

you wanted a response, didn't you?

ok



. .. .

HOW much higher than mine is your 3DMark05 score?



seriously ... you mean you *wouldn't * consider a faster GPU if it blew away your current Pro?

saw, 12-15,000 in 3Dmark06?
:Q

tempted?


i know i'd be ... until my CPU was really lagging ... and i *can* get 3.8Ghz

I can't see any point in purchasing another high end AGP card for myself, now that my mobo has a PCI-E graphics slot on it, and my other rigs just aren't that important to me to justify another AGP upgrade...well maybe my A64 might get something decent in the near future...but for now it will make do with my 7800GS OC.

But really for me now...it just makes no sense...I can now make use of most high end PCI-E video cards, so an AGP card that is capable of 12000 point's in 3Dmark is just not worth the added cost to keep using AGP.

But this all just me...you guys can feel free to keep using good ole AGP...there is nothing wrong with that, hey I'm still using my X1950Pro for the time being...and once I get my 2GB DDR2 ram upgrade out of the way, I'll just probably bite the bullet and get a DX10 PCI-E card and the GA-965P-S3 that I've wanted for a while...and then my E4300 can really stretch it's legs.

so ... as i see it ... i am 100% happy with my rig and you are already planning your next upgrade

OK

i am OK with that

yep...It's all your fault

going out and making a P4 peform almost as fast as an overclocked A64....I couldn't live with the shame

nah, that bloody upgrade bug has biten me on the ass again...I always had planned on a C2D PCI-E setup but didn't want to do the whole new system thing, so I compromised with the Asrock board...it'll do and so will my X1950 until R600 comes out and I get to see how it stacks up to the 8800...

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Stumps
luckly I have a board now that supports both AGP and PCI-E...thank you Asrock

but there is still plenty of CPU headroom left for high end AGP cards, at least on those setup that use a high end A64 or C2D (like me )
My oc'd 4300 gives my X1950Pro plenty of room to stretch it's legs...

I just feel sorry for all those people that are still using lowly P4's and EE's with X1950's...what a waste of a perfectly good video card.

While your OC'd E4300 might give an X1950 Pro room to stretch it's legs, it wouldn't on the PCI-E bus. That motherboard only has a 4x PCI-E slot, and would be pretty limiting to an X1950 Pro, and much more so for faster cards.

 

[Stumps]

Originally posted by: myocardia

Originally posted by: Stumps
luckly I have a board now that supports both AGP and PCI-E...thank you Asrock

but there is still plenty of CPU headroom left for high end AGP cards, at least on those setup that use a high end A64 or C2D (like me )
My oc'd 4300 gives my X1950Pro plenty of room to stretch it's legs...

I just feel sorry for all those people that are still using lowly P4's and EE's with X1950's...what a waste of a perfectly good video card.

While your OC'd E4300 might give an X1950 Pro room to stretch it's legs, it wouldn't on the PCI-E bus. That motherboard only has a 4x PCI-E slot, and would be pretty limiting to an X1950 Pro, and much more so for faster cards.

my X1950Pro is AGP so it isn't being limited by the 4x PCI-E slot.

The Asrock is only temporary to allow me to get the memory and a PCI-E video card before I upgrade to a pure PCI-E platform.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps
the 7900GS and 7900GT have been availible in AGP for a little while...just not in the US.

Currently they aren't worth the cost because the X1950Pro can be had for considerably less and it performs better.

But I'm currently on my last AGP video card...my trusty Sapphire X1950PRO 512mb..it will serve me for a bit longer until I get myself a new PCI-E video card (I'll wait till R600 is out before making a decision)....luckly I have a board now that supports both AGP and PCI-E...thank you Asrock

but there is still plenty of CPU headroom left for high end AGP cards, at least on those setup that use a high end A64 or C2D (like me )
My oc'd 4300 gives my X1950Pro plenty of room to stretch it's legs...

I just feel sorry for all those people that are still using lowly P4's and EE's with X1950's...what a waste of a perfectly good video card.

you wanted a response, didn't you?

ok



. .. .

HOW much higher than mine is your 3DMark05 score?



seriously ... you mean you *wouldn't * consider a faster GPU if it blew away your current Pro?

saw, 12-15,000 in 3Dmark06?
:Q

tempted?


i know i'd be ... until my CPU was really lagging ... and i *can* get 3.8Ghz

I can't see any point in purchasing another high end AGP card for myself, now that my mobo has a PCI-E graphics slot on it, and my other rigs just aren't that important to me to justify another AGP upgrade...well maybe my A64 might get something decent in the near future...but for now it will make do with my 7800GS OC.

But really for me now...it just makes no sense...I can now make use of most high end PCI-E video cards, so an AGP card that is capable of 12000 point's in 3Dmark is just not worth the added cost to keep using AGP.

But this all just me...you guys can feel free to keep using good ole AGP...there is nothing wrong with that, hey I'm still using my X1950Pro for the time being...and once I get my 2GB DDR2 ram upgrade out of the way, I'll just probably bite the bullet and get a DX10 PCI-E card and the GA-965P-S3 that I've wanted for a while...and then my E4300 can really stretch it's legs.

so ... as i see it ... i am 100% happy with my rig and you are already planning your next upgrade

OK

i am OK with that

yep...It's all your fault

going out and making a P4 peform almost as fast as an overclocked A64....I couldn't live with the shame

nah, that bloody upgrade bug has biten me on the ass again...I always had planned on a C2D PCI-E setup but didn't want to do the whole new system thing, so I compromised with the Asrock board...it'll do and so will my X1950 until R600 comes out and I get to see how it stacks up to the 8800...

my fault?!??!

i didn't think we were competing
:Q

hmm ... shall i order that QuadCore/SLI system right now? ... NewEgg gave me quite a BIG credit line ... way more than i ever expected
:shocked:


i'll can just skip the Assrock in favor of a nice Gigabyte with QC .... and a couple of oc'd GTXes



...


it'd look *great* at 14x9 ... *MAX* aa/af and 200FPS
:roll:

naw ... everything runs *fine* ... it is *balanced* for today's games ...

tomorrow? ... who knows? ... i still have that credit line at NewEgg for *emergencies*
:laugh: