Unmasking of Qaeda Mole a U.S. Security Blunder-Experts

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LONDON (Reuters) - The revelation that a mole within al Qaeda was exposed after Washington launched its "orange alert" this month has shocked security experts, who say the outing of the source may have set back the war on terror.

Reuters learned from Pakistani intelligence sources on Friday that computer expert Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan, arrested secretly in July, was working under cover to help the authorities track down al Qaeda militants in Britain and the United States when his name appeared in U.S. newspapers.

"After his capture he admitted being an al Qaeda member and agreed to send e-mails to his contacts," a Pakistani intelligence source told Reuters. "He sent encoded e-mails and received encoded replies. He's a great hacker and even the U.S. agents said he was a computer whiz."

Last Sunday, U.S. officials told reporters that someone held secretly by Pakistan was the source of the bulk of the information justifying the alert. The New York Times obtained Khan's name independently, and U.S. officials confirmed it when it appeared in the paper the next morning.

None of those reports mentioned at the time that Khan had been under cover helping the authorities catch al Qaeda suspects, and that his value in that regard was destroyed by making his name public.

A day later, Britain hastily rounded up terrorism suspects, some of whom are believed to have been in contact with Khan while he was under cover. Washington has portrayed those arrests as a major success, saying one of the suspects, named Abu Musa al-Hindi or Abu Eissa al-Hindi, was a senior al Qaeda figure.

But British police have acknowledged the raids were carried out in a rush. Suspects were dragged out of shops in daylight and caught in a high speed car chase, instead of the usual procedure of catching them at home in the early morning while they can offer less resistance.

"HOLY GRAIL" OF INTELLIGENCE

Security experts contacted by Reuters said they were shocked by the revelations that the source whose information led to the alert was identified within days, and that U.S. officials had confirmed his name.

"The whole thing smacks of either incompetence or worse," said Tim Ripley, a security expert who writes for Jane's Defense publications. "You have to ask: what are they doing compromising a deep mole within al Qaeda, when it's so difficult to get these guys in there in the first place?

"It goes against all the rules of counter-espionage, counter-terrorism, running agents and so forth. It's not exactly cloak and dagger undercover work if it's on the front pages every time there's a development, is it?"

A source such as Khan -- cooperating with the authorities while staying in active contact with trusting al Qaeda agents -- would be among the most prized assets imaginable, he said.

"Running agents within a terrorist organization is the Holy Grail of intelligence agencies. And to have it blown is a major setback which negates months and years of work, which may be difficult to recover."

Rolf Tophoven, head of the Institute for Terrorism Research and Security Policy in Essen, Germany, said allowing Khan's name to become public was "very unclever."

"If it is correct, then I would say its another debacle of the American intelligence community. Maybe other serious sources could have been detected or guys could have been captured in the future" if Khan's identity had been protected, he said.

Britain, which has dealt with Irish bombing campaigns for decades, has a policy of announcing security alerts only under narrow circumstances, when authorities have specific advice they can give the public to take action that will make them safer.

UNNECESSARY ALARM

Home Secretary David Blunkett, responsible for Britain's anti-terrorism policy, said in a statement on Friday there was "a difference between alerting the public to a specific threat and alarming people unnecessarily by passing on information indiscriminately."

Kevin Rosser, security expert at the London-based consultancy Control Risks Group, said an inherent risk in public alerts is that secret sources will be compromised.

"When these public announcements are made they have to be supported with some evidence, and in addition to creating public anxiety and fatigue you can risk revealing sources and methods of sensitive operations," he said.

In the case of last week's U.S. alerts, officials said they had ordered tighter security on a number of financial sites in New York, Washington and New Jersey because Khan possessed reports showing al Qaeda agents had studied the buildings.

Although the casing reports were mostly several years old, U.S. officials said they acted urgently because of separate intelligence suggesting an increased likelihood of attacks in the runup to the presidential election in November.

U.S. officials now say Hindi, one of the suspects arrested after Khan's name was compromised, may have been the head of the team that cased those buildings.

But the Pakistani disclosure that Khan was under cover suggests that the cell had been infiltrated, and was under surveillance at the time Washington ordered the orange alert.

The security experts said that under such circumstances it would be extraordinary to issue a public warning, because of the risk of tipping off the cell that it had been compromised. (Additional reporting by Mark Trevelyan in Berlin)

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D'oh. :confused:
 

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Sad, that. :( I guess we should just have faith that the bad guys are as stupid as we are. :p
 

Bowfinger

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Yeah, but they stole Kerry's thunder, so it was worth it. Re-electing King George is job #1. Everything else is secondary.
 

Painman

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Yeah, but they stole Kerry's thunder, so it was worth it. Re-electing King George is job #1. Everything else is secondary.

Bow, even if the alert wasn't politically motivated... it collapsed the shaft of the gold mine regardless. The level of incompetence displayed here is breathtaking any way you slice it.
 

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The New York Times obtained Khan's name independently, and U.S. officials confirmed it when it appeared in the paper the next morning.

The New York times should be shut down! They will not be happy until we are all dead.
 

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Originally posted by: MoFunk
The New York Times obtained Khan's name independently, and U.S. officials confirmed it when it appeared in the paper the next morning.

The New York times should be shut down! They will not be happy until we are all dead.

Ridge tipped our hand this past Sunday by identifying the specific targets and making a big splash. As soon as that happened, AQ knew they'd been compromised. Up until that point they had no awareness of there being a mole as they had been exchanging encrypted emails with the mole while he was in the hands of the ISI. The NYtimes certainly didn't help, but the cat was already out of the bag. This should have been handled with far more subtlety.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Painman
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Yeah, but they stole Kerry's thunder, so it was worth it. Re-electing King George is job #1. Everything else is secondary.

Bow, even if the alert wasn't politically motivated... it collapsed the shaft of the gold mine regardless. The level of incompetence displayed here is breathtaking any way you slice it.
I understand that and agree 100%. I suspect this particular bout of incompetence was spurred by a desire to overshadow the Democratic convention. It may have been routine stupidity, however. Either way, this administration's "War on Terror" is a U.S. Grade A Fiasco, a non-stop stream of poor decisions and missed opportunities.
 

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Painman
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Yeah, but they stole Kerry's thunder, so it was worth it. Re-electing King George is job #1. Everything else is secondary.

Bow, even if the alert wasn't politically motivated... it collapsed the shaft of the gold mine regardless. The level of incompetence displayed here is breathtaking any way you slice it.
I understand that and agree 100%. I suspect this particular bout of incompetence was spurred by a desire to overshadow the Democratic convention. It may have been routine stupidity, however. Either way, this administration's "War on Terror" is a U.S. Grade A Fiasco, a non-stop stream of poor decisions and missed opportunities.
Come on people . . . look on the bright side. The President is merely luring our enemies into misunderestimating him.
 

Painman

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Painman
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Yeah, but they stole Kerry's thunder, so it was worth it. Re-electing King George is job #1. Everything else is secondary.

Bow, even if the alert wasn't politically motivated... it collapsed the shaft of the gold mine regardless. The level of incompetence displayed here is breathtaking any way you slice it.
I understand that and agree 100%. I suspect this particular bout of incompetence was spurred by a desire to overshadow the Democratic convention. It may have been routine stupidity, however. Either way, this administration's "War on Terror" is a U.S. Grade A Fiasco, a non-stop stream of poor decisions and missed opportunities.

Total agreement, though forgive me for not hoisting a beer in recognition. This is too grave for toasts. If this story doesn't get swept under the rug (and I gotta wonder about that, I've only seen it mentioned on Reuters, MSNBC and NYTimes though the blogosphere is ablaze over it), Bush is gonna be raked over the coals this coming week. and rightly so.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Painman
Total agreement, though forgive me for not hoisting a beer in recognition. This is too grave for toasts. If this story doesn't get swept under the rug (and I gotta wonder about that, I've only seen it mentioned on Reuters, MSNBC and NYTimes though the blogosphere is ablaze over it), Bush is gonna be raked over the coals this coming week. and rightly so.
No, forgive me if I seem to be making light of it. I know countless lives are at stake. I've been shaking my head in disbelief for almost two years. It's hard not to become numb to it.

FYI, tonight's NBC Nightly News also covered this story.
 

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Painman
Total agreement, though forgive me for not hoisting a beer in recognition. This is too grave for toasts. If this story doesn't get swept under the rug (and I gotta wonder about that, I've only seen it mentioned on Reuters, MSNBC and NYTimes though the blogosphere is ablaze over it), Bush is gonna be raked over the coals this coming week. and rightly so.
No, forgive me if I seem to be making light of it. I know countless lives are at stake. I've been shaking my head in disbelief for almost two years. It's hard not to become numb to it.

FYI, tonight's NBC Nightly News also covered this story.

Nah, I didn't think you were making light of it. I know your rep, and your views make us much alike. I'm glad this story has at least a few legs... the American people deserve some accountability here, partisan politics aside. Lives are at stake.
 

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Who gave the NY Times this guys name and why?

A Senior Administration Official perhaps ? (i. e. that CIA
Operative Valerie Plame who was searching for WMD)
 

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Who gave the NY Times this guys name and why?


Oure favorite ever-smiling, ever-lying National Security Advisor did.

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Sunday, August 08, 2004
CNN on Khan Scandal: Has it Prevented the Capture of Bin Laden?

The story of how the Bush administration prematurely outed Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, a double agent working for Pakistan against al-Qaeda, has finally hit cable television news. MSNBC picked up the story on Saturday.

On Sunday at around 12:30 pm, Wolf Blitzer's show referred to it. New York Senator Charles Schumer criticized the Bush administration for revealing Khan's name. He noted the annoyance of British Home Minister Blunkett (see below) and Pakistani Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat with the Americans for blowing Khan's cover. He said Hayat complained that if Khan's name had not been reveaeled to the New York Times by the Bush administration, he might well have provided information that would have led to the capture of Usamah Bin Laden himself!

Blitzer then revealed that he had discussed the Khan case with US National Security Adviser Condaleeza Rice on background. He reported that she had admitted that the Bush administration had in fact revealed Khan's name to the press. She said she did not know if Khan was a double agent working for the Pakistani government.
 

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NYtimes probably has some inside sources (maybe even within the current admin), but no way should our admin confirm that name to them, or should we tipped our hand to AQ by announcing the alert publicly. Everything should be done behind the scene as much as possible,

becuase like many in the intel community said, the public heard all the failure of the CIA, but the successful one is kept undersecret.
Well bushies just have to learn to live with that, even during the election season.
 

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Senator Asks White House to Explain Khan Leak
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. senator asked the White House to explain how and why the name of an al Qaeda informant was leaked to the press, amid concerns it had hurt the war on terror, a letter from the lawmaker showed on Monday.

A Pakistani intelligence source said on Friday that U.S. officials confirmed the name of captured al Qaeda suspect Mohammad Naeem Noor Khan while he was still cooperating with Pakistani authorities as part of a sting operation against Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al Qaeda network.

It is not clear who originally disclosed Khan's name, which first appeared in The New York Times last Monday and was then confirmed by U.S. officials.

His unmasking triggered criticism across the political spectrum, as well as speculation about the motives behind the leak. Security and terrorism are top issues for both parties in this year's U.S. presidential elections.

"I respectfully request an explanation ... of who leaked this Mr. Khan's name, for what reason it was leaked, and whether ... reports that this leak compromised future intelligence activity are accurate," Sen. Charles Schumer (news, bio, voting record), a Democrat from New York, wrote in a letter to White House domestic security adviser Frances Townsend on Aug. 8.

A copy of the letter was obtained by Reuters on Monday.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan suggested at a news briefing on Monday that making the name public was inappropriate, but gave no details on how it happened or the repercussions it might have.

"It is important that we recognize that sometimes there are ongoing operations under way. And as we move forward on capturing or bringing to justice al Qaeda members, we need to keep that in mind," he said.

PONDERING MOTIVES

Information from computer expert Khan led the United States to issue a high alert at financial institutions against a possible al Qaeda attack earlier this month, and led Britain to arrest 12 al Qaeda suspects.

Terrorism experts said the reasons for the release of Khan's name could range from a judgment error to a sophisticated ploy designed to put al Qaeda on edge about the extent to which the network has been infiltrated by moles.

Leon Fuerth, Vice President Al Gore (news - web sites)'s former national security adviser, said: "I can't imagine that this produces any other consequence than to shoot us in the foot" in terms of undermining a sting operation, scaring off future informants and hurting future intelligence cooperation with allies.

One former senior U.S. intelligence official said he suspected a political motive.

"I don't think that the U.S. intelligence community has shown enough creativity over the last few years for anyone to think of anything as smart as misdirection, or trying to send signals to al Qaeda," he said.

Republican Sen. George Allen (news, bio, voting record) of Virginia also questioned the release of Khan's name on television on Sunday, saying: "In this situation, in my view, they should have kept their mouth shut and just said, 'We have information, trust us."'

National security adviser Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) said it was a hard line to draw between giving the public too much or too little information about terrorist threats.

"We did not, of course, publicly disclose his name," Rice said on Sunday, adding that it had been given "on background."


Khan's capture was part of a Pakistani crackdown, which began a month ago and has dealt al Qaeda a major blow. (Additional reporting by Steve Holland)

Did she think it would just stay in the "background"???

What an idiot!
 

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You all seriously think they deliberately blew an operation to score political points?
 

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
You all seriously think they deliberately blew an operation to score political points?

Not actually to score political point, but to justify the raising of terror alert (which is part based on political calculation, part based on security risk, I know it sound complicated but it's not, trust me I'll explain later). All this is because the current administration credibility is so low, not just among democrat, but among people of US and of the world. But in this case, they kinda shoot themselves in the foot, uncovering one of their best asset so far in the war against AQ.

Now, I'll try to explain the above, the raising of terror alert based on info acquired by that mole pass to us by the Pakistani intel is itself justified. However, they should have done it in secret or at least very conspicously ie minimal fanfare, ie contact the target building security, beef up security around the target area with undercover agent, etc. By announcing the terror alert publicly, I suspect the administration is trying to accomplish two things (beside the obvious):
1. To safeguard their ass in case an attack really happend and thay can't stop it,
2. political showmanship, grabbing the news highlight from the recently ended DNC fanfare.

Of course there's always chance that someone higher up in the govt just clueless or an idiot with high level access to secret intel info that can't wait to tell everything to press (ie gossip) regardless of consequences... remember the CIA's Valeria Palme incident?

Anyway, my suggestion is for CIA to investigate this and either close the info sharing loophole or just kill the a$$hole who leak the name...