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University sues Marvell: $1.17B

What are your thoughts on the judgment?

More surprised than anything. Seems like it just came out of left field.
It does seem very high, and the patents seem flimsy (although I havn't looked into it).
"Marvell hotly contested that CMU had invented anything new; they argued that a Seagate patent, filed 14 months earlier, describes everything in CMU's invention."
 
I don't know whether or not the patents are valid but it doesn't seem to me like the technology covered (noise reduction in HD's) is significant enough to warrant such a large award.
 
I would almost guess the company is a goner if they are forced to pay that. Their yearly revenue is around 3.2B$.
 
I would almost guess the company is a goner if they are forced to pay that. Their yearly revenue is around 3.2B$.

If they knowingly infringed on the patents (as I've read) they will have to pay treble damages.

Will this raise the cost of HDD's any? What percentage of the BOM is an HDD controller?
 
Even if they get the money, wanna bet tuition/fees don't go down for the students/researchers that got them the patents?
 
It could be that there was something emotional, like some sneaky email or text that came out to make the company look bad on an emotional level that resonated with the jury, who wanted to punish the bad behavior.

However, the factual information of the case may not even support their judgment, which could be overturned or hugely reduced.

Looking at the Arstechnica article, it looks like the university's lawyers went full blast on the emotional strategy to make Marvell look like some big evil corporation bent on stealing the identity of the victimized university. Marvell actually objected to this sensationalism, and that objection was sustained but the jury still heard a bit so damage was done before the objection was raised.

The reason this works so well for patent cases is the jury is incapable of comprehending patent terminology. So they just latch onto whichever lawyer/corporate identify they like better. Patent interpretation is too complicated for juries, they are not the right tool for handing out justice.

I haven't looked at the details for this case, but I recall how this same thing played out in the Apple v. Samsung case, where the jury actually came to impossible conclusions. They failed to do simple logic/reason, and just attacked the "bad" guy and defied law/facts.

I'm sure Marvell will be fine. The patents the university used to sue will probably be found invalid and the case will evaporate on appeal. You see this trend, with courts and the USPTO being more aggressive with tossing out questionable patents (relying on non-obviousness). But even assuming the worst for Marvell and the patents aren't thrown out, then I bet the jury award gets eviscerated and reduced to some nominal amount that would be a slap on the wrist etc. Just need to be patient.
 
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It could be that there was something emotional, like some sneaky email or text that came out to make the company look bad on an emotional level that resonated with the jury, who wanted to punish the bad behavior.

However, the factual information of the case may not even support their judgment, which could be overturned or hugely reduced.

Looking at the Arstechnica article, it looks like the university's lawyers went full blast on the emotional strategy to make Marvell look like some big evil corporation bent on stealing the identity of the victimized university. Marvell actually objected to this sensationalism, and that objection was sustained but the jury still heard a bit so damage was done before the objection was raised.

The reason this works so well for patent cases is the jury is incapable of comprehending patent terminology. So they just latch onto whichever lawyer/corporate identify they like better. Patent interpretation is too complicated for juries, they are not the right tool for handing out justice.

I haven't looked at the details for this case, but I recall how this same thing played out in the Apple v. Samsung case, where the jury actually came to impossible conclusions. They failed to do simple logic/reason, and just attacked the "bad" guy and defied law/facts.

I'm sure Marvell will be fine. The patents the university used to sue will probably be found invalid and the case will evaporate on appeal. You see this trend, with courts and the USPTO being more aggressive with tossing out questionable patents (relying on non-obviousness). But even assuming the worst for Marvell and the patents aren't thrown out, then I bet the jury award gets eviscerated and reduced to some nominal amount that would be a slap on the wrist etc. Just need to be patient.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Well... not without it being twice as long as that one, anyways. lol
 
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