University Says Blood Drive Biased Against Gays

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MONMOUTH, Ore. ? The American Red Cross may soon be banned from holding blood drives on one university campus because the organization prohibits some gay men from donating blood.

"We're looking at the practices of the Red Cross ? whether they are discriminatory, and if they are, how it relates back to our policy," said Gary Dukes, vice president of student affairs at Western Oregon University (search).

At issue is one of the dozens of questions used to screen donors. Men are asked if they've had sex with another man ? even only once ? since 1977.

Some student government leaders say the question is homophobic and has no place on campus, even if that means less blood available to those who need it.

"There may be less blood in the blood supply, or we can continue to have a world full of hate and discrimination," said Shauna Bates (search), student senator at WOU.

The Food and Drug Administration (search), not the Red Cross, decides which groups can't donate blood. Among them are anemics, intravenous drug users and sexually active gay men, who still comprise the largest percentage of AIDS cases.

The FDA did recently look at possibly changing, or even dropping, the question about gay sex. But an advisory committee said doing that would risk putting blood recipients in danger of contracting the deadly AIDS virus.

"It's incredibly important that the blood supply remain safe," said Darrin Greenlee of the American Red Cross.

IMO, the safety of the blood supply is of much greater importance than the possibility of offending a few homosexual men.

It is also interesting that this story doesn't mention any complaints from actual homosexual men that gave blood. Instead, there are comments from people like Shauna Bates, who I feel is extremely ignorant when she says: "There may be less blood in the blood supply, or we can continue to have a world full of hate and discrimination."

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Ooops, I must have limited my search to a different forum than P&N... thanks for the correction, Conjur.
 

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Well first off the red cross doesn't have to take anyone's blood. They can refuse anyones blood for any reason,even religion or race.You don't have any right to give blood. Secondly the Red Cross sells the blood that you give it. This is not a charity but a business. People donate the blood for free but then the Red Cross has to test it and that costs money. Then they sell the stuff that passes the test on a supply and demand basis. Now HIV as we know does not necessarily show up in tests for awhile. Blood may be infected with HIV in undetectable amounts. Since homosexual sex tends to spread the virus faster than heterosexual intercourse there is probably a higher risk that the blood from men who have engaged in sex with other men is infected than that for the rest of the blood pool.There also is a likely higher chance that after spending mony to test the blood that it will be tested positive and have to be disposed of which also costs money. Biohazardous waste costs more to dispose of than regular garbage. So from a dollars and cents point of view as long as we are not in serious shortfall of blood it just makes good financial sense to not take donations from homosexuals. It also cuts the risk of spreading HIV or other diseases through the blood supply. Believe it or not people still to this day do contract HIV from infected blood, not to mention other diseases. We need to keep the risk down as much as possible.
 

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Does the Red Cross refuse hetrosexual Haitan and African Blood Donors? They have a much higher rate of infection than AMerican Gays .
 

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Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
I don't think the American Red Cross conducts blood drives in Africa or Haiti.

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Like there are no Haitians nor Africans here in the U.S.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Does the Red Cross refuse hetrosexual Haitan and African Blood Donors? They have a much higher rate of infection than AMerican Gays .

Anyone who partakes in anal sex, heterosexual or homosexual are not allowed to donate blood. Its a simple as that. This policy doesnt discriminate against anyone.
 

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Does the Red Cross refuse hetrosexual Haitan and African Blood Donors? They have a much higher rate of infection than AMerican Gays .

They actually refuse blood from people that have lived in certain African countries for any amount of time since 1977.
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: BugsBunny1078
I don't think the American Red Cross conducts blood drives in Africa or Haiti.

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Like there are no Haitians nor Africans here in the U.S.

Well...he does live in NH, so he might not think so. Heh. We don't have many people from other cultures up here...except maybe Quebec. ;)
 

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Does the Red Cross refuse hetrosexual Haitan and African Blood Donors? They have a much higher rate of infection than AMerican Gays .

Anyone who partakes in anal sex, heterosexual or homosexual are not allowed to donate blood. Its a simple as that. This policy doesnt discriminate against anyone.

WTF??? Are you SERIOUS?? WTF does anal sex have to do with giving blood???

Good to see ignorance is still strong with this one...

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XMan

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Last time I gave blood they asked if I'd recently had unprotected sex, used intravenous narcotics, or had a blood transfusion. I would guess that answering "yes" to any of those questions would disqualify you.

I don't see the bias here at all. Some people take themselves way too seriously.
 

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Originally posted by: X-Man
Last time I gave blood they asked if I'd recently had unprotected sex, used intravenous narcotics, or had a blood transfusion. I would guess that answering "yes" to any of those questions would disqualify you.

I don't see the bias here at all. Some people take themselves way too seriously.

Fine. So, if someone has protected anal sex, should they be allowed to give blood?
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: X-Man
Last time I gave blood they asked if I'd recently had unprotected sex, used intravenous narcotics, or had a blood transfusion. I would guess that answering "yes" to any of those questions would disqualify you.

I don't see the bias here at all. Some people take themselves way too seriously.

Fine. So, if someone has protected anal sex, should they be allowed to give blood?

I don't know,what do you think? Ryan White got AIDS from a blood transfusion, I sure wouldn't want my kid to have the same thing happen, would you?
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: X-Man
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: X-Man
Last time I gave blood they asked if I'd recently had unprotected sex, used intravenous narcotics, or had a blood transfusion. I would guess that answering "yes" to any of those questions would disqualify you.

I don't see the bias here at all. Some people take themselves way too seriously.

Fine. So, if someone has protected anal sex, should they be allowed to give blood?

I don't know,what do you think? Ryan White got AIDS from a blood transfusion, I sure wouldn't want my kid to have the same thing happen, would you?

So basically, you can give blood based on which hole you decide to use? Are you more likely to get a STD from someone's a$$ than a vagina?


Also, what does Ryan White have to do with anyhting. You are aware that we knew much less about AIDS and HIV back then, and testing for it was nothing like today right? I have a feeling the blood is carefully screened before it goes into the general supply. How many people have contracted HIV from a transfusion since Ryan White? Statistically, I think it's a non-issue, and I wouldn't be worried in the slightest when and if I ever needed blood that I might get some from a gay man that had anal sex.

 

XMan

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: X-Man
Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: X-Man
Last time I gave blood they asked if I'd recently had unprotected sex, used intravenous narcotics, or had a blood transfusion. I would guess that answering "yes" to any of those questions would disqualify you.

I don't see the bias here at all. Some people take themselves way too seriously.

Fine. So, if someone has protected anal sex, should they be allowed to give blood?

I don't know,what do you think? Ryan White got AIDS from a blood transfusion, I sure wouldn't want my kid to have the same thing happen, would you?

So basically, you can give blood based on which hole you decide to use? Are you more likely to get a STD from someone's a$$ than a vagina?
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I don't think anyone who is in any sort of risk factor should be giving blood in the first place, be they drug users or swingers.
And yes, HIV is more readily transmitted through anal sex.

From the link:

Anal sex is the most efficient means of sexual HIV transmission. It is clear from many epidemiological and biological studies that most HIV transmission between men who have sex with men occurs via unprotected anal intercourse. Studies of homosexual men have shown consistently that the receptive partner (bottom) in anal intercourse is at higher risk of HIV infection.1,2,3 The rectal mucous membranes seem to have more receptors to bind HIV and the tissue is more easily traumatized, leading to more easy access for HIV transmission.
 

Insane3D

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From your link...

Vaginal Sex Transmission of HIV

Vaginal sex can transmit HIV to either the male or the female partner, but numerous studies in developed countries have shown that in the absence of other risk factors (like STDs) men are two to three times more likely to transmit HIV to women than vice versa. The area susceptible to infection is much larger in women (vagina, cervix and uterus) than in men (head of the penis, exposed urethra). Women are exposed to a larger quantity of infectious fluid (ejaculate) than men (vaginal fluids). Vaginal fluids contain less HIV on the average than semen . And women retain the secretions within the body after sex while men are only exposed during the actual sex act.

It says the exact SAME THING about vaginal transmission as anal transmission.

Anyhow, that is only HIV...considering ALL STD's..where are you more liekly to catch them from?

What does the CDC have to say about anal vs. vaginal transmission? I am also wary of your link that specifically speaks about anal transmission in man on man sex, wouldn't the same risk be there with heterosexual anal sex?
 

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
From your link...

Vaginal Sex Transmission of HIV

Vaginal sex can transmit HIV to either the male or the female partner, but numerous studies in developed countries have shown that in the absence of other risk factors (like STDs) men are two to three times more likely to transmit HIV to women than vice versa. The area susceptible to infection is much larger in women (vagina, cervix and uterus) than in men (head of the penis, exposed urethra). Women are exposed to a larger quantity of infectious fluid (ejaculate) than men (vaginal fluids). Vaginal fluids contain less HIV on the average than semen . And women retain the secretions within the body after sex while men are only exposed during the actual sex act.

It says the exact SAME THING about vaginal transmission as anal transmission.

Anyhow, that is only HIV...considering ALL STD's..where are you more liekly to catch them from?

What does the CDC have to say about anal vs. vaginal transmission? I am also wary of your link that specifically speaks about anal transmission in man on man sex, wouldn't the same risk be there with heterosexual anal sex?
Well not really because the male is likely not a homosexual. The homosexual male is more likely to contract HIV because of his being ont he receiving end of anal sex according to your quote. So The heterosexual male is less likely to catch it and thus less likely to give it to his female partner.

 

Insane3D

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Think about what you just said...really..just think about it.

What I'm saying is that anyone on the recieveing end of anal sex will be equally at risk...man or woman...hetero or gay.

If you had 10 women who participated in anal sex, and 10 men who did...they would be equally at risk.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: X-Man
Last time I gave blood they asked if I'd recently had unprotected sex, used intravenous narcotics, or had a blood transfusion. I would guess that answering "yes" to any of those questions would disqualify you.

I don't see the bias here at all. Some people take themselves way too seriously.

Fine. So, if someone has protected anal sex, should they be allowed to give blood?

Studies have shown condoms have an extremely high rate of failure when used for anal sex.
 

digitalsm

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So basically, you can give blood based on which hole you decide to use? Are you more likely to get a STD from someone's a$$ than a vagina?

Actually YES. And this have been proven by studies.

Female to male transmission of AIDS, when having vaginal sex, is extremely LOW
Female to male transmission of AIDS, when having anal sex, in extremely HIGH
 

Insane3D

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Originally posted by: digitalsm
So basically, you can give blood based on which hole you decide to use? Are you more likely to get a STD from someone's a$$ than a vagina?

Actually YES. And this have been proven by studies.

Female to male transmission of AIDS, when having vaginal sex, is extremely LOW
Female to male transmission of AIDS, when having anal sex, in extremely HIGH

You have a problem with grammar. This has been proven by studies.
 

digitalsm

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Originally posted by: Insane3D
Originally posted by: digitalsm
So basically, you can give blood based on which hole you decide to use? Are you more likely to get a STD from someone's a$$ than a vagina?

Actually YES. And this have been proven by studies.

Female to male transmission of AIDS, when having vaginal sex, is extremely LOW
Female to male transmission of AIDS, when having anal sex, in extremely HIGH

You have a problem with grammar. This has been proven by studies.

Wow a spelling error/typo. When the facts back the other side, thats all you can come up with?