university introduces electronic monitoring of student attendance

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Northern Arizona State will soon track class attendance via an RFID (radio frequency identification) chip in student ID cards. The system, which is similar to one used at the University of Wisconsin at Madison, will use sensors to detect students as they enter classrooms. The data collected will be recorded and shared with professors.


Predictably, students are unhappy and, with equal predictability, have taken their discontent to Facebook via the protest group although some of the more energetic have started petitions against the proposed practice.
University officials say their aim is only to increase student attendance and improve performance though, with enough sensors, they could easily track students' whereabouts on campus at all times. Students counter, correctly, that they are adults and whether they attend class regularly, on time or pass at all is not the university’s business.


The larger issue being overlooked is the growing use of tracking devices in the U.S., and how willing most people are to be tagged and set loose in the “wild” where their movements and spending habits are monitored, recorded and filed away for someone’s future use.


Since 2006 U.S. passports have been issued with 64-kilobyte RFID chips that carry the name, date and place of birth, nationality, and gender as well as a digitized photo of the person.


Credit card companies are slowly replacing existing cards with RFID chipped cards that also contain confidential information about the customer, and the states have been under intense pressure from the Federal government to comply with the REAL ID act, which make national ID cards out of drivers’ licenses.


Privacy advocates point out that RFID technology, despite encryption, still leaves people’s information vulnerable to anyone with a bit of technical know-how and a scanner, and chipping is fast becoming a go-to “safety” method of choice that has left the general population grumbling.


What’s contradictory about this is that people willingly tag themselves by driving vehicles and carrying cell phones that are GPS enabled. I’ve lost track of the number of people whose GPS enabled phones announce their whereabouts continuously on Facebook and Twitter for nearly anyone to see. How many of the indignant Arizona students are just as easy to track?


http://www.care2.com/causes/civil-r...ty-to-monitor-students-with-chipped-id-cards/
 

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I don't see knowing where you are on campus as an issue. If students dislike this practice... they can always get those wallets with padding that doesn't allow the chip to be picked up by sensors.
 

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I don't see knowing where you are on campus as an issue. If students dislike this practice... they can always get those wallets with padding that doesn't allow the chip to be picked up by sensors.

Then you won't be counted as present in a class.
 

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I don't understand why attendance is required at the University level...

It's not a problem in PRIVATE schools, but if kids are not attending while spending tax dollars at public schools... They better go to fucking class and get those good grades.

Many kids who skip class also happen to not get great grades... whodahthunk.
 

ussfletcher

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At my school we have card scanners at the doors for large lecture halls that do pretty much the same thing. Although I have never seen them used.
 

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It's not a problem in PRIVATE schools, but if kids are not attending while spending tax dollars at public schools... They better go to fucking class and get those good grades.

Many kids who skip class also happen to not get great grades... whodahthunk.

lol, this coming from a kid who has a free ride and still bitches about it.
 

Mr. Pedantic

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This is a stupid idea. How stupid depends on what the university is planning to do with the information. If they're going to just shelve it or use it for research, then it's just mildly stupid and mainly is a deal for ethicists to argue about informed consent and ability to refuse to participate. However, if they're going to use it to chase up students or penalize non-attending students, then it's really, really REALLY stupid and the guy who thought this idea up should be fired.

Tax payers are paying for them too.
What if they still get the marks, but don't turn up to classes? University is supposed to be the place where people start getting a bit of autonomy and choice in how to get things done. In secondary school you always had people looking over your shoulder telling you to do things this way or that because "it is good for you". However, university is supposed to be the place where you have more freedom in how you learn. If you don't want to go to lectures and instead study by yourself, then that's fine. It's not the university's job to make sure students attend lectures. Its job is to provide and mark the papers. If students don't attend, then that's fine. If students fail, then that's their problem.

even if attendance is compulsory, you can still go to sleep in class.
Last semester, I only turned up to lectures for 2 of my courses. I studied for the other 2 in my own time, which included when others were going to lectures. It's just that I got more out of spending the hour studying the subject by myself than listening to someone drone on about it. (Ironicaly, I only got an A and A- in the courses where I attended lectures, but got A+s for both the classes where I didn't show up.) If students are forced to attend, then that represents a huge drop in productivity (I sometimes have 5 or 6 lectures a day; that's a big chunk of my day if I gain nothing from being in lectures) that I could have otherwise used studying or unwinding, rather than doing something completely unproductive.

It's not a problem in PRIVATE schools, but if kids are not attending while spending tax dollars at public schools... They better go to fucking class and get those good grades.
Is this an issue about the attendance? Or the grades? Because lots of people don't turn up to classes now and still get good grades.
 

Jeff7

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OH DEAR GOD NO!!!! A FACEBOOK PROTEST GROUP!!!

The devilish bastards!
Abort! Abort!
 

Matthiasa

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Yeah attendance is a useless measure, grades are what are important.
It's still very easy to fail most classes even if you show up every singe day and do little else.
 

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Students need to grow a collective brain and fight back

have EVERYONE leave thier ID's at home.

Prof gives a lecture in front of 300 people but the record show zero people there... enough of that and the silly practice of trying to track students will stop.
 

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Some classes you can skip in, for example: In my geography class I would skip every class but the one right before the test... still got an A. Other classes like adv programing it's just stupid.
 

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It's not a problem in PRIVATE schools, but if kids are not attending while spending tax dollars at public schools... They better go to fucking class and get those good grades.

Many kids who skip class also happen to not get great grades... whodahthunk.

Didn't you complain about how taking two classes at a community college was very stressful and that's why you dropped out as a result?

I distinctly remember that...

I'm not in favor of this trend, but you're the last person to be giving other people lectures on how to behave.
 

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Students need to grow a collective brain and fight back

have EVERYONE leave thier ID's at home.

Prof gives a lecture in front of 300 people but the record show zero people there... enough of that and the silly practice of trying to track students will stop.

Or the other way around, make copies of all the cards and have one person go but 300 show up on the computer.
 

TridenT

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Didn't you complain about how taking two classes at a community college was very stressful and that's why you dropped out as a result?

I distinctly remember that...

I'm not in favor of this trend, but you're the last person to be giving other people lectures on how to behave.

o_O Nope, not me.

You remember wrong. :)

Says the guy with a bad memory... Are you going senile, old man?