I dont think any of these morons who compare Bush to Hitler have any true grasp of what Hitler was, stood for, and accomplished.
In some respects it is a very valid comparison. I think often times people get too caught up in the complete picture that comparisons of attitude or motive get lost. Sure, Hitler as a whole was pretty horrible, but once you get rid of stuff like the genocide and such, you can get down to the basic motivations, fears, and methodologies used for manipulations.
We do it all of the time in life. We say "that's just like so and so", when in fact, if you compared the people in total, they'd be nothing alike. However, they might do some of the things in the same way, which triggers your response.
I see nothing wrong with that. Hitler used xenophobic zealotry to induce fear into the population. He also used extremism and defense of ideals as a way to galvanize a country.
Were these tactics solely Hitlers? No, despots and manipulators have used them for ages. However, Hitler is the most recent and most extreme example of that manipulation.
I do agree that his name is invoked too quickly and used to lightly.
I'm not making any money on it. You just can't find enough opportunities to deny the truth in the lyrics, can you? :roll:
I don't see you disputing the extremely close parallels between the Bushwhacos' BIG LIES and those from Hitler and Goebbels. Please STFU until you can address the facts, instead attempting to shoot the messenger. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:
I'm 65 years old, and I come from a Jewish family. My mom's family is from Hungary and my dad's is from Lithuania. This moron has a firm grasp on what Hitler and Goebbels stood for.
And speaking of morons, since you're so mouse challenged that you couldn't click the link in my previous post to see the comparison, I'll spread the list out for you.
I think what they are trying to comapare are the tactics used to achieve their agenda, not the actually person..... or the agenda. I personally think the tactios are close enough to validate the comparison.
Hey brainiac, did I quote you in my reply? What makes you think I even bothered reading your drivel?
You have a point that you can compare and contrast the methods to the madness. However using Hitler as a comparison is clearly used to instill a sense of abosulute fear in whoever one is trying to make the comparison too. It doesnt have much to do with the actual methods as you mention.
There are countless leaders and rulers before and since Hitler who have used these methods. So what is the purpose of explicitly using Hitler?
To stir the masses and scare the shat out of them.
Sorry, anyone who compares Bush to Hitler is an idiot. Period.
You say "once you get rid of Genocide and stuff" like it were something minor, say a speeding ticket. Get a grip on the facts.
Why is Hitler any less valid of an example for the specific behaviors they are comparing and contrasting? I agree that it's a dramatic example intended to stir some byproduct fear due to his history. However, in isolation his methods and those of his cronies are a very good example of population manipulation.
Personally, I wish people wouldn't use him, since it does dilute what type of monster he really was. Invoking his image to create fear of Bush is pretty bad. If people prefaced their comparisons a bit more, saying that "in this specific area Bush took a page from Hitler", that might not be as bad.
Well, probably he also includes "and such" like the beer hall putsch, and his anti-semitic book, and Kristallnacht, and the night of the long knives, and the Schutzstaffel and the SA, and the complete consolidation of power...
Cause I'm sure he knows all about that "and such". :roll: Yes, so many simliarities...
Look sparky, considering how I built my case, I'd hardly say I am insensative to the situation. I have a double major in psychology and history (20th century), so not only do I have education (and even some undergrad experience) in studying human behavior, but I can also compare actions throughout history.
In isolation, Bush and Hitler (among other politicians and historical figures) used the same methodology of population manipulation. That is an undeniable fact. Just because you don't want your despot compared to another despot doesn't mean we shouldn't. We should preface our comparisons saying that, as I said above "in certain actions Bush was like Hitler or Pol Pot or Stalin, or Chavez...etc"
Get off of your self-righteous bully pulpit and stop attempting to paint me as a person who doesn't recognize what Hitler did. Much like Bush, you cherry picked my entire post for the one specific thing that could minimize my analysis.
Hey back at ya. Regardless of whether or not you quoted, you labeled everyone who compares Bush to Hitler as morons. My post directly refutes your lame assertions that there are no valid comparisons. There are, and the info my link is not MY drivel. If you want to dismiss that, it wouln't take me long to find more credible sources to make the same point.
If you can't read, it's your problem. I'll leave it to others to check the facts and decide who's the moron and whose posts are drivel. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:
Says another reading challenged Bushwhacko sycophant with no facts to cash the checks his mouth writes. :laugh:
Wow - sounds like YOU have more in common with Hitler than Bush!
[*]never admit a fault or wrong;
Check, never seen it.
[*]never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
Check, "Bush is pure evil"
[*]never leave room for alternatives;
Check, anytime someone asks for an alternative to Bush, it's war crimes trials, then we'll talk.
[*]never accept blame;
Check, Bush is exclusively to blame
[*]concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong;
Check, all Bush's fault
[*]people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.
That's called forum spamming, you're great at it!
BUAHAHAHAHA!!!. You still haven't disproven anything I've posted, let alone proven anything to the contrary. If you can't, you can blow all the smoke you want, but it makes you the pissant weasel liar spreading the BIG LIE. :| :| :|
I don't think the issue Harvey is whether there are valid comparisons to be made about Bush and Hitler. I think it's obvious that choosing Hitler as a point of reference is an attempt at mocking/insulting that person, not simply making a neutral comparison.
I could say Clinton was a great public speaker just like FDR, or I could say Clinton was a great public speaker just like Hitler. While the comparison may be valid, the vast majority of people cannot dissect the different elements of Hilter like that... it's hard to ignore genocide. The comparison is clearly always a "guilt by association" insult.
I could say Clinton was a great public speaker just like FDR, or I could say Clinton was a great public speaker just like Hitler. While the comparison may be valid, the vast majority of people cannot dissect the different elements of Hilter like that... it's hard to ignore genocide. The comparison is clearly always a "guilt by association" insult.
I suppose I could search for quotes and find exceptions to the first four, the last two are of course unproveable. But what would be the point, because once I did, you'd exhibit several of the features yet again (never admitting wrong, never leaving room for alternatives).
Of course, the list was pretty much a given for any politician, it isn't like Hitler invented deception or forceful, type A behavior.
PS: what's with all the profanity and insults from you directed with anyone who disagrees with you? Another set of standards that you enjoy as an elite member, I suppose. How very, totalitarian, herr capitan.
Ill save you the discomfort of replying with three emotes in the future to express your displeasure.
When I see the name "Harvey" in front of a post I glace right over it, not worth my time anymore to read.
So, next time I reply without quoting you dont be surprised, and dont be surprised I didnt bother reading your drivel. It has nothing to do with reading ability, simply a choice, the choice being you are not worthy of reading.
Now give me some lame comeback with 3 emotes so you can feel complete again.
Thanks for proving my point. Here are your emoticons...
Here's an extra -- no charge for this one. :laugh:
Ain't that the truth. Hitler was smarter then Bush AND he actually served in a war, volunteering for the German Army and won 5 medals, including the Iron Cross.
Strategy and tactics wise, the neocons have defintely stolen a few pages out of the Nazi playbook.
First I want to appologize for diverting the thread. It was not my intention and I don't usually do something like that. Usually I keep my response to very specific thread topics like this on the specific topic itself instead of widening it into its larger scope. My bad. Let me write what I would normally have written.
As far as the specific of the topic is concerned I think people have to be careful when comparing someone to Hitler or Nazis. You have to be careful that the meaning isn't lost in the connotation of Nazism.
There is far too much naivety when it comes to the understanding of Nazism compared to Fascism. Thanks mostly to popular culture, governments and the media, but not least of which the lack of education in history class. All these groups, which makes up the primary source of our access to information, jack hammer the wrong image into our brain.
Since High School history is probably the last history class for the vast majority of people it's important to make sure people walk away with a certain understanding. That didn't exist when I was in school and based on what I have heard from people before on this forum it doesn't appear to exist now either.
In the case of the professor I think he clarified his remark, but it appears the way he worded was just asking for a missunderstanding. I doubt most people in his class could tell the difference between Nazism and Fascism or the relationship of the two.
As far as the specific of the topic is concerned I think people have to be careful when comparing someone to Hitler or Nazis. You have to be careful that the meaning isn't lost in the connotation of Nazism.
There is far too much naivety when it comes to the understanding of Nazism compared to Fascism. Thanks mostly to popular culture, governments and the media, but not least of which the lack of education in history class. All these groups, which makes up the primary source of our access to information, jack hammer the wrong image into our brain.
Since High School history is probably the last history class for the vast majority of people it's important to make sure people walk away with a certain understanding. That didn't exist when I was in school and based on what I have heard from people before on this forum it doesn't appear to exist now either.
In the case of the professor I think he clarified his remark, but it appears the way he worded was just asking for a missunderstanding. I doubt most people in his class could tell the difference between Nazism and Fascism or the relationship of the two.
Thanks. I agree with what you say, which is why I included the link and the definition of "The Big Lie" used by Hitler and Goebbels.
Bush and Rove have closely followed their techniques. It would be just as wrong to ignore or deny the real similarities, and the real dangers they imply, as it would be to use Hitler as a generic boogey man when comparing Bush to Hitler.
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Is this class an elective? If so, I don't see how he's making his students buy anything, they are the ones who chose to sign up for his class. $20 reader for a class is chump change. Get back to me when your professor has one of his $150 books as required reading for a class.
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