University housing is trying to charge me $250 for damage to my room *UPDATED again, the plot thickens*

Paktu

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UPDATE 2:
I had thought this whole saga was over, but it's just kept getting weirder. I contacted one of the assistant directors at Housing and Residential Life back in mid-August. She replied the next day saying she would review the case and get back to me next week. Three weeks passed and I sent an email threatening to escalate this if I didn't hear back from her. Still no response. Finally I receive an email from her after she was contacted by the Student Confilct Resolution Center saying she would review it. Then, another week and a half later, this shows up in my inbox:

(my name) -
I have reviewed your appeal regarding damage charges for the 2005-2006 academic year.
It looks like you were first charged $500.00 split between you and your roommate. It was then reduced to $125.00. This reduction was made by (misspelled name). The $125.00 remains on your account.
Since it has taken me longer than usual to get back with you we will make a $25.00 adjustment to your account. You will be responsible for the remaining $100.00 charge.
Should you have any questions please contact me via this email or by phone at (phone number with wrong area code) .
(name)
Assistant Director
Housing Programs & Administrative Services

So I respond to that:
Quite frankly, this is ridiculous. I originally contacted you in
mid-August. It's now October. You say that you're reducing the amount by
$25 due to you taking "longer than usual". Two weeks would have been
"longer than usual". It's been seven.

You also offer no explanation how you arrived at $100, beyond the fact that
you reduced what (name) estimated by $25. I'd like to see photographs
exhibiting the damage. I would also like to see written maintenance
records, documenting both the value and amount (or hours) of materials and
labor involved in supposedly "fixing" my room.

This is not about the $125 anymore. Had you responded promptly with an
explanation of the charges, I would have let this go back in August and
paid whatever you said I owed. Instead, you have ignored me, brushed me
off, and jerked me around for months. This is now a matter of principle,
and I fully plan to fight this until I receive a full refund of the money I
was charged.

Please let me know when you can provide me with the documentation I have
requested.

Regards,
(my name)

UPDATE:
I got a letter saying that they "reviewed" the circumstances and only want $125 now. I am tempted to drag this out and try to get this down to like $50- as a college student, I have more time than money. But I would like to know what you all think, so I added a poll. Feel free to add your questions/comments/insults to the thread.

ORIGINAL POST:
I have lived in University-owned housing for the past year and I moved out at the end of May. Around the time I left, I patched and painted some of the walls where there was damage- dents, nail holes, etc. When the RA came to check me out, she filled out a sheet listing any damage to the room, and I was happy to see that what she wrote down was very minor. However, a few weeks ago I got a letter saying that there was $500 worth of damage that had to be repaired, and it would be split between me and my roomate, so I would pay $250. Their rationale for this ridiculous amount was that unionized labor costs them $70 an hour. So this would imply that it took them SEVEN HOURS (7 times 70 is 490, plus a little extra for materials) to repaint/patch my room. This, quite frankly, is insane.

The letter also mentioned that I can appeal this, so I am going to try. My question is, how should I go about this? Should I tell them I tried to fix the room (since it's possible I could get in trouble for that)? Should I be an ass about it? Let me know what you guys think.

Cliffs:
1. University wants me to pay $250 for damage to my dorm room
2. There was not this much damage, and I don't wanna pay it
3. How do I fight this?
 

mrchan

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The ONLY way you're going to win is by claiming you shouldn't be responsible for the damages, which you probably are.

The university has to use unionized labor, you can't fight the cost.

 

xanis

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Wait, they charged you for doing the repairs yourself since it wasn't done by their union workers? Total BS.
 
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Originally posted by: Xanis
Wait, they charged you for doing the repairs yourself since it wasn't done by their union workers? Total BS.


actually most housing contract prohibit you from making any repairs or modifications to the room.
 

MrChad

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Did they mention specific areas that needed repair? Did you take photographs of the room before you left (after you cleaned/fixed it up)?
 

ruffilb

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Say you did the work by yourself.

As for being an ass- that's probably the only way you're going to get what you want.
 

xanis

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Xanis
Wait, they charged you for doing the repairs yourself since it wasn't done by their union workers? Total BS.

actually most housing contract prohibit you from making any repairs or modifications to the room.

Well in that case, the OP if screwed. You should check your housing contract. If it states that you cannot perform repairs yourself, then there is no way you can fight this and win.
 

waggy

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pay it and learn not to damage property anymore. you are going to lose.
 

Paktu

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Xanis
Wait, they charged you for doing the repairs yourself since it wasn't done by their union workers? Total BS.


actually most housing contract prohibit you from making any repairs or modifications to the room.


Right. There was a small amount of damage to the room (nowhere near $500 worth though) but I have a friend who works construction that helped me patch up the vast majority of it. The idea is, I'm going to pretend that I never actually did any repairs and just act like it was already in the nice repaired condition when I moved out.
 

Paktu

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Originally posted by: waggy
pay it and learn not to damage property anymore. you are going to lose.

The point is, this would qualify as normal wear and tear. This was my second year living in University housing (and my last, thank god), and there was very comparable damage to my room (in a different dorm) at the end of the first year. However, I was never charged for this.
 
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Originally posted by: Paktu
Originally posted by: waggy
pay it and learn not to damage property anymore. you are going to lose.

The point is, this would qualify as normal wear and tear. This was my second year living in University housing (and my last, thank god), and there was very comparable damage to my room (in a different dorm) at the end of the first year. However, I was never charged for this.


did they list what the specific damages were?

one thing people forget is that when doing work there is a lot of time spent buying materials, etc. that are factored into the repair costs. If it takes someone 5 hours to fix a couple of holes in the wall, they also may have spent an hour off-site buying materials.
 

mugs

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At my college if you had minor damage to the walls they'd spot paint it. If you tried to fix it yourself they'd paint the entire room. 7 hours seems a tad high.
 

mrchan

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Originally posted by: mugs
At my college if you had minor damage to the walls they'd spot paint it. If you tried to fix it yourself they'd paint the entire room. 7 hours seems a tad high.

If they painted the entire room, he got off lucky. They charge $1000 a room at the university I work at.
 

Paktu

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Here's what the letter said:
Patch/Paint right long wall in living room $150/2= $75
Patch/Paint left long wall in living room $150/2= $75
Patch/Paint wall outside close in bedroom $100/2= $50
Patch/Paint window wall in bedroom $100/2= $50
 
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Originally posted by: Paktu
Here's what the letter said:
Patch/Paint right long wall in living room $150/2= $75
Patch/Paint left long wall in living room $150/2= $75
Patch/Paint wall outside close in bedroom $100/2= $50
Patch/Paint window wall in bedroom $100/2= $50


seems reasonable to me
 

Bryophyte

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Quit damaging the walls. Why would you do something to a room that would require patching the walls?
 

BeauJangles

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Your only other shot is to visit the room right as the new occupants move in and see if they actually repaired the damage. My friend complained that he paid to have damage fixed that was never repaired and so the university refunded his money.
 

Paktu

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Well, I think I'm going to go ahead and just claim ignorance on this one. Especially since I have that room damage report from when I checked out saying it was fine, I think I can at least get these charges reduced somewhat.

By the way, for all the people on here that said "quit damaging the walls"- they weren't seriously damaged in the first place. That is why I am complaining. If I really had trashed my room, I wouldn't be going through all this trouble in the first place.
 

purbeast0

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wtf did you do to your dorm room that required the walls to be patched? having to have a wall patched is not "normal wear and tear" as you are claiming ...
 

oogabooga

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Originally posted by: Paktu
Well, I think I'm going to go ahead and just claim ignorance on this one. Especially since I have that room damage report from when I checked out saying it was fine, I think I can at least get these charges reduced somewhat.

By the way, for all the people on here that said "quit damaging the walls"- they weren't seriously damaged in the first place. That is why I am complaining. If I really had trashed my room, I wouldn't be going through all this trouble in the first place.

If they were damaged at all it's grounds to repair.

Best of luck, but if there was damage significant enough to deem repair work (even if it wasn't something massive like a headshaped hole in the wall, etc) then just eat the cost. 250 isn't all to bad. When we move out of the apartments we rent they charge us that just for clean up. If you have damages that number flies sky high :(
 

Bryophyte

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Next time you move into a rental, take photos of EVERYTHING. Get somebody from housing there and get them in the photos. Take pictures of every single flaw in the place. When you move out, you won't get blamed for preexisting damage that way. Doing that saved my butt once.