Universal Health Coverage & Medical Insurance.

[imported_Shivetya]

1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?

3. Should there be a deductible for service?

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?

3b. Specialist?

3c. Prescriptions

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?

5. Should private insurance still exist?

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?

7a. MRIs

7b. Bypass surgery

7c. Hip replacement

7d. Knee surgery

7e. Transplants

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?




There are many questions people just gloss over. I am curious how some of the more ardent supporters would reply. Its one thing to pay for your own medical insurance, its far easier to make someone else pay it. I have a SHPS account, do you? I exercise daily, eat right, and limit my risks, do you? What about people who don't? Are you willing to pay for them?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?
$1200/yr

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?
no

3. Should there be a deductible for service?
yes

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?
10%

3b. Specialist?
10%

3c. Prescriptions
10%

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?
should it be covered?
Hell no.

5. Should private insurance still exist?
Absolutely

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?
Absolutely

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?
No

7a. MRIs

7b. Bypass surgery

7c. Hip replacement

7d. Knee surgery

7e. Transplants

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?
No

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)
Yes

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?
Never




There are many questions people just gloss over. I am curious how some of the more ardent supporters would reply. Its one thing to pay for your own medical insurance, its far easier to make someone else pay it.

I have a SHPS account, do you?
Yes
I exercise daily, eat right, and limit my risks, do you?
For the most part. Being a type I diabetic inspires me too though.
What about people who don't? Are you willing to pay for them?
If co-pays, prescriptions, etc were aq percentage, that is encouragement to live healthier. Less risk, less money.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?
$250 a month

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?
Yes.

3. Should there be a deductible for service?
Yes

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?
$10

3b. Specialist?
$20

3c. Prescriptions
$10

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?
No

5. Should private insurance still exist?
Yes

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?
Yes. Participation should be voluntary

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?
Not if your charging people for coverage, covers all of 7

7a. MRIs

7b. Bypass surgery

7c. Hip replacement

7d. Knee surgery

7e. Transplants

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?
No. Anyone paying receives the same benefits

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)
No unlawful activity should be covered. No activity where the participant knowningly made the choice to do without adequate protection and safety preparation

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?
Everyone should be able to choose their doctor.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?

$5K/annum/person

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?

Yes.

3. Should there be a deductible for service?

Not for medically necessary non elective services.

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?

0

3b. Specialist?

0

3c. Prescriptions

0

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?

No

5. Should private insurance still exist?

Yes, but would not exempt you from paying into UHC. Similar to private schools now.

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?

Yes, similar to private schools now.

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?

Not statutory. But physicians may decide on age cut off based on medical concerns for certain procedures.

7a. MRIs
No
7b. Bypass surgery
No
7c. Hip replacement
No
7d. Knee surgery
No
7e. Transplants
No, but since there is a limited supply of organs, there will be likely be non statutory age cut offs.

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?

No.

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)

Yes.

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?

No.


There are many questions people just gloss over. I am curious how some of the more ardent supporters would reply. Its one thing to pay for your own medical insurance, its far easier to make someone else pay it. I have a SHPS account, do you? I exercise daily, eat right, and limit my risks, do you? What about people who don't? Are you willing to pay for them?

We are paying for them anyways through much more expensive unreimbursed emergency care which gets passed on to paying customers. I'd rather pay for them to see a doctor early when the doctor can help prevent some of these issues than pay to clean up the mess at the ER.

 

[ProfJohn]

Senseamp... $5k a person! You understand that the median income in this country is around $40k so you expect people to pay 12.5% of their income for healthcare?

That is more than most of these people pay in federal taxes.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Senseamp... $5k a person! You understand that the median income in this country is around $40k so you expect people to pay 12.5% of their income for healthcare?

That is more than most of these people pay in federal taxes.

I pay that amount for coverage for my wife and myself.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Senseamp... $5k a person! You understand that the median income in this country is around $40k so you expect people to pay 12.5% of their income for healthcare?

That is more than most of these people pay in federal taxes.

I pay that amount for coverage for my wife and myself.

So you pay $2.5 k per person? Far cry from $5k per person or $10k for the both of you.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Senseamp... $5k a person! You understand that the median income in this country is around $40k so you expect people to pay 12.5% of their income for healthcare?

That is more than most of these people pay in federal taxes.

That's how much we'll have to spend per capita as a nation. Not saying that each person is going to have to pay that. We have progressive taxes for a reason. Just like some people are going to need more than 5K and some will need less in services, so part of this $5K we are already spending on Medicare and other government programs for healthcare. BTW, US spent $6-7K per capita on healthcare in 2006. I don't hear conservatives asking how you expect your median income family to afford that?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Senseamp... $5k a person! You understand that the median income in this country is around $40k so you expect people to pay 12.5% of their income for healthcare?

That is more than most of these people pay in federal taxes.

I pay that amount for coverage for my wife and myself.

So you pay $2.5 k per person? Far cry from $5k per person or $10k for the both of you.

That cost is just so we do not get sick. $750/month
The deductibles are close to twice what most people get through their employer.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?

3. Should there be a deductible for service?

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?

3b. Specialist?

3c. Prescriptions

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?

5. Should private insurance still exist?

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?

7a. MRIs

7b. Bypass surgery

7c. Hip replacement

7d. Knee surgery

7e. Transplants

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?

There are many questions people just gloss over. I am curious how some of the more ardent supporters would reply. Its one thing to pay for your own medical insurance, its far easier to make someone else pay it. I have a SHPS account, do you? I exercise daily, eat right, and limit my risks, do you? What about people who don't? Are you willing to pay for them?

Bottom line is that Medical is a neccesity not a "priviledge".

Just like Water and Electricity and others should be treated as such and heavily watched and regulated.

If you don't like being capped on how much greed you can rape the people with then you don't choose to work in that industry.

The current system of Corporate control has clearly failed the citizenry and those that have sowed this must pay by sacrificing their self loathing of this Country.

 

[vi edit]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?

3. Should there be a deductible for service?

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?

3b. Specialist?

3c. Prescriptions

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?

5. Should private insurance still exist?

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?

7a. MRIs

7b. Bypass surgery

7c. Hip replacement

7d. Knee surgery

7e. Transplants

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?

There are many questions people just gloss over. I am curious how some of the more ardent supporters would reply. Its one thing to pay for your own medical insurance, its far easier to make someone else pay it. I have a SHPS account, do you? I exercise daily, eat right, and limit my risks, do you? What about people who don't? Are you willing to pay for them?

Bottom line is that Medical is a neccesity not a "priviledge".

Just like Water and Electricity and others should be treated as such and heavily watched and regulated.

If you don't like being capped on how much greed you can rape the people with then you don't choose to work in that industry.

The current system of Corporate control has clearly failed the citizenry and those that have sowed this must pay by sacrificing their self loathing of this Country.

Corporate has failed? Have you ever tried applying for Social Security and Medicaid? It's pretty much a common theme that you have apply 3x or more to apply for disability and even get granted a freaking parking placard. Government run isn't any better.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?

3. Should there be a deductible for service?

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?

3b. Specialist?

3c. Prescriptions

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?

5. Should private insurance still exist?

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?

7a. MRIs

7b. Bypass surgery

7c. Hip replacement

7d. Knee surgery

7e. Transplants

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?

There are many questions people just gloss over. I am curious how some of the more ardent supporters would reply. Its one thing to pay for your own medical insurance, its far easier to make someone else pay it. I have a SHPS account, do you? I exercise daily, eat right, and limit my risks, do you? What about people who don't? Are you willing to pay for them?

Bottom line is that Medical is a neccesity not a "priviledge".

Just like Water and Electricity and others should be treated as such and heavily watched and regulated.

If you don't like being capped on how much greed you can rape the people with then you don't choose to work in that industry.

The current system of Corporate control has clearly failed the citizenry and those that have sowed this must pay by sacrificing their self loathing of this Country.

Corporate has failed? Have you ever tried applying for Social Security and Medicaid? It's pretty much a common theme that you have apply 3x or more to apply for disability and even get granted a freaking parking placard. Government run isn't any better.

Sounds like Dell's customer service.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC? $5,711 (2003 per capita spending)

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it? Depends. I would certainly cap wasteful, unproductive spending (military, tax cuts for oil companies) first.

3. Should there be a deductible for service? Depends. A deductible for preventive health care/health maintenance is STUPID. You want to consume as much of that as possible. Further, you want to manage chronic disease aggressively. Healthy people WORK and pay TAXES.

3a. If so, how much for routine visits? Obviously, you have to pay for an MD (or LPN, PA, DO) time but again it would be idiotic to price people out of care they need.

3b. Specialist? See 3a. By definition if you do #3a correctly the TOTAL cost for #3b will fall due to reduced utilization.

3c. Prescriptions. Older, safer, highly effective drugs . . . next to nothing.

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered? Depends. Congenital birth defects, radical mastectomy, and ambiguous genitalia . . . sure.

5. Should private insurance still exist? Absolutely but only with vigorous regulation.

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers? Absolutely. But be aware that FEW care providers would be able survive on fee-for-service alone.

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures? Based on science . . . yes. But not some kind of puritanical BS.

7a. MRIs - nonsense. Granted, the technology is overused but it's more likely to be overused in the young as opposed to the old.

7b. Bypass surgery - age is a patient factor to consider but an otherwise healthy 80 year-old deserves some new piping just as much (if not more) than a not as healthy 60 year-old.

7c. Hip replacement - see 7b.

7d. Knee surgery - see 7b.

7e. Transplants - see 7b.

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much? You can means test any benefit but it should be reasonable so that it maintains the basic principle of a social contract with all citizens . . . except for Bill Gates.

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?) Absolutely but you still hold people largely accountable for their behavior. Subsidize good behaviors and tax poor ones.

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor? Nope. The patient-physician relationship is an integral element to quality health care. A patient MUST trust their doctor and it's hard to trust someone you aren't familiar with . . .

Granted, many (if not most) people these days cycle through multiple primary care doctors and specialists. Healthy people with healthy lifestyles see their doctor very infrequently beyond a once-a-year exam . . . kids get two a year.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?
$0

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?
I'm in favor of not instituting UHC

3. Should there be a deductible for service?
See above.

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?

3b. Specialist?

3c. Prescriptions

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?
Hell no.

5. Should private insurance still exist?
Get rid of insurance.

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?
Private practice is the way to go.

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?
Ages are arbitrary.

7a. MRIs

7b. Bypass surgery

7c. Hip replacement

7d. Knee surgery

7e. Transplants

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?

There are many questions people just gloss over. I am curious how some of the more ardent supporters would reply. Its one thing to pay for your own medical insurance, its far easier to make someone else pay it. I have a SHPS account, do you? I exercise daily, eat right, and limit my risks, do you? What about people who don't? Are you willing to pay for them?

I disagree in principle with socialized health care systems. It's not the function of government to redistribute wealth or to be parents to the general population. Americans like to think that they're responsible adults. I've got news for them: if you want to be responsible, take care of yourself! Don't rely on Social Security and Medicare. Get rid of them. They're socialist vote-winning schemes anyways. Invest and save. Live below your means! Our government is already too big and powerful, do we really want it to become even more of an abomination than it already is?

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?
$0

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?
I'm in favor of not instituting UHC

3. Should there be a deductible for service?
See above.

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?

3b. Specialist?

3c. Prescriptions

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?
Hell no.

5. Should private insurance still exist?
Get rid of insurance.

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?
Private practice is the way to go.

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?
Ages are arbitrary.

7a. MRIs

7b. Bypass surgery

7c. Hip replacement

7d. Knee surgery

7e. Transplants

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?

There are many questions people just gloss over. I am curious how some of the more ardent supporters would reply. Its one thing to pay for your own medical insurance, its far easier to make someone else pay it. I have a SHPS account, do you? I exercise daily, eat right, and limit my risks, do you? What about people who don't? Are you willing to pay for them?

I disagree in principle with socialized health care systems. It's not the function of government to redistribute wealth or to be parents to the general population. Americans like to think that they're responsible adults. I've got news for them: if you want to be responsible, take care of yourself! Don't rely on Social Security and Medicare. Get rid of them. They're socialist vote-winning schemes anyways. Invest and save. Live below your means! Our government is already too big and powerful, do we really want it to become even more of an abomination than it already is?

46 million Americans are without health insurance, millions of them children. I'll let you tell our children that they can't go to the doctor when they're sick. I'lll let you tell them to save. I'll let you tell them to live below their means.

 

[senseamp]

Children's health is a small price to pay for the principle of not being socialist.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Hacp

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: Shivetya
1. How much are you willing to pay on a per person basis for UHC?
$0

2. Are you in favor of a cap on the total amount taken to pay for it?
I'm in favor of not instituting UHC

3. Should there be a deductible for service?
See above.

3a. If so, how much for routine visits?

3b. Specialist?

3c. Prescriptions

4. Should elective, to include face lifts, breast jobs, and sex changes be covered?
Hell no.

5. Should private insurance still exist?
Get rid of insurance.

6. Should private practices still exist, as in serving no government paid customers?
Private practice is the way to go.

7. Should there be cut off ages for certain procedures?
Ages are arbitrary.

7a. MRIs

7b. Bypass surgery

7c. Hip replacement

7d. Knee surgery

7e. Transplants

8. Would there be an needs test for copayment? As in, do you lose benefits for making too much?

9. Should insurance cover self inflicted injury? (drinking, smoking, dangerous sports?)

10. Would you support NOT being able to choose your doctor?

There are many questions people just gloss over. I am curious how some of the more ardent supporters would reply. Its one thing to pay for your own medical insurance, its far easier to make someone else pay it. I have a SHPS account, do you? I exercise daily, eat right, and limit my risks, do you? What about people who don't? Are you willing to pay for them?

I disagree in principle with socialized health care systems. It's not the function of government to redistribute wealth or to be parents to the general population. Americans like to think that they're responsible adults. I've got news for them: if you want to be responsible, take care of yourself! Don't rely on Social Security and Medicare. Get rid of them. They're socialist vote-winning schemes anyways. Invest and save. Live below your means! Our government is already too big and powerful, do we really want it to become even more of an abomination than it already is?

46 million Americans are without health insurance, millions of them children. I'll let you tell our children that they can't go to the doctor when they're sick. I'lll let you tell them to save. I'll let you tell them to live below their means.

Sure thing pal, because I was in that category for most of my short (20 year) life. Our family didn't have the money for that. Used to live below the poverty level. But that's besides the point.

Get rid of private insurance, get rid of HMOs, and let the hospitals and doctors compete. The best medical services at the most competitive price will always win out. Ban drug advertising too. Guess what? Prices will go down!

P.S. there are always free clinics and doctors willing to help out of the goodness of their hearts. Ron Paul is one of them (delivered babies for free to clients unable to pay).

 

[Hacp]

46 million Americans are without health insurance, millions of them children. I'll let you tell our children that they can't go to the doctor when they're sick. I'lll let you tell them to save. I'll let you tell them to live below their means.

Sure thing pal, because I was in that category for most of my short (20 year) life. Our family didn't have the money for that. Used to live below the poverty level. But that's besides the point.

Get rid of private insurance, get rid of HMOs, and let the hospitals and doctors compete. The best medical services at the most competitive price will always win out. Ban drug advertising too. Guess what? Prices will go down!

P.S. there are always free clinics and doctors willing to help out of the goodness of their hearts. Ron Paul is one of them (delivered babies for free to clients unable to pay).

The problem is that most people can't afford complicated surgeries. We buy health insurance because we can't afford to pay the real thing. Thus, the lucky subsudize the unlucky.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Senseamp... $5k a person! You understand that the median income in this country is around $40k so you expect people to pay 12.5% of their income for healthcare?

That is more than most of these people pay in federal taxes.

I pay that amount for coverage for my wife and myself.

So you pay $2.5 k per person? Far cry from $5k per person or $10k for the both of you.

That cost is just so we do not get sick. $750/month
The deductibles are close to twice what most people get through their employer.

Common - get back to work and stop screwing up my posts.:evil:
Via Blue Cross PPO I only have $550/month.

Who are you getting shafted by?

 

[Triumph]

Now I'm not saying that the current system is the best, but the idea that the government can do a better job is completely laughable. Have any of you people been in the military? (I have not, but I work directly for the military and am currently deployed, my point being that I see ALOT of it but I don't want to give the impression that I have served) US servicemen belong to one of the largest socialized welfare structures in the world, larger than that of many countries. Housing, clothing, medical, food, is all payed for outright or subsidized. And you know what? It's a freakin' mess and incredibly cost inefficient. Look at the recent scandals at Walter Reed, people who have put their life on the line for this country can't even get good medical service. You think Joe Average is going to get anything better? Here we have a perfect example of government ineptitude in the format of the VA, and yet some people suffer from this dillusion that "oh we can do better than that the second time around!"

The Air Force has the best planes in the world, largest payloads, amazing fighters and bombers, ability to fly anywhere in the world at the drop of a hat, etc. etc. etc. It is a HUGE logistics operation. And yet, anyone who has flown MIL-AIR, or delivered equipment via the same, can tell you that the way it is run is downright laughable when compared to Fedex, DHL, and UPS operations. I've seen completely empty C-130's fly from one base to another while equipment waited on the ground for the same transportation. I've waited days for packages that could have easily been put on the next flight to my base. I've been told that tracking numbers do not exist while at the same time the equipment has already arrived at the destination. Yes, this happens with commercial carriers, but the Air Force does not handle nearly the volume of stuff that Fedex and UPS do. But I digress, my point is that here you have two operations that perform basically the same function, one government run (Air Force) and one commercially run (Fedex, UPS), and the commercial operation is vastly superior.

I don't see any reason to believe that the Government can run healthcare any better than private industry can. Government can do things to affect how private industry operates, for instance, drug advertisements should be prohibited. But to have the government outright run the system would be disastrous. We DO have the best healthcare in the world, if you can get it. The problem is getting it to everyone while still maintaining the quality of care. Right now the current healthcare system works for alot of people. Don't mess it up for 250 million americans because of the 50 million who don't have it; how about just focusing on a way to get it to them?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Get rid of private insurance, get rid of HMOs, and let the hospitals and doctors compete.

The best medical services at the most competitive price will always win out.

Ban drug advertising too. Guess what? Prices will go down!

It's false advertising because you cannot buy the products being advertised anyway.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Hacp

46 million Americans are without health insurance, millions of them children. I'll let you tell our children that they can't go to the doctor when they're sick. I'lll let you tell them to save. I'll let you tell them to live below their means.

Sure thing pal, because I was in that category for most of my short (20 year) life. Our family didn't have the money for that. Used to live below the poverty level. But that's besides the point.

Get rid of private insurance, get rid of HMOs, and let the hospitals and doctors compete. The best medical services at the most competitive price will always win out. Ban drug advertising too. Guess what? Prices will go down!

P.S. there are always free clinics and doctors willing to help out of the goodness of their hearts. Ron Paul is one of them (delivered babies for free to clients unable to pay).

The problem is that most people can't afford complicated surgeries. We buy health insurance because we can't afford to pay the real thing. Thus, the lucky subsudize the unlucky.

We cant afford the real thing because we buy health insurance.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Other rescuers then set off to find him on foot, although they had to cut through dense undergrowth to get to him and it ended up taking a team of up to 50 people some 12 hours to rescue him, police said

15 to 1 we get more of these people if UHC goes through. After all, if someone else is paying (why people don't think THEIR taxes are paying I'll never know) I bet less and less people take managing their health seriously

 

[palehorse]

The same as I pay now: $36 per month for BCBS PPO coverage w/ vision, dental, prescription discounts, and reasonable co-payments.

works for me!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The same as I pay now: $36 per month for BCBS PPO coverage w/ vision, dental, prescription discounts, and reasonable co-payments.

works for me!

I thought you were AD military - why don't you just use Tricare? They took good care of me even when I needed costly emergency surgery at a civilian facility, and I didn't pay a dime.