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Originally posted by: Jeffg010
Funny how the left wing around here will dismiss any source without stating what is wrong with. If it is so bad then give me some facts, show me it is to be bad.

OK. The first thing you see when you click on the site is an animated banner that says "Only 3 papers support the card check, more than 100 support it, don't be fooled by the unions' lies..." That immediately sets up the frame that all unions are lying. That's a fine opinion to hold, but when it's displayed so brazenly, one gets the immediate sense that the website is specifically going to present facts that portray unions in a bad light and ignore facts that present unions in a good light. It's an overwhelming bias presented straight from the get-go, and one must consider that when considering any of the information presented.

Now we look at the menu options. "Hijacking elections." Well that seems fair. "Facts" brings up a submenu that includes "Crime and Corruption", "Undemocratic Leaders", and "Unfair Labor Practices." For a site that bills itself as unionfacts, surely they must have come across some positive facts about unions in their research. But looking through the various pages on the site produces not one single positive fact. Perhaps that means that unions are universally bad, which is possible, but somewhat unlikely given just how long they've been around. If unions were actually as portrayed by the "facts" on this site, they would have been made illegal decades ago. Or maybe this is simply a website designed to highlight every negative aspect of unions without producing a single positive fact to make unions look considerably worse than they are.

Moving on down the page, we see a headline that states that 82% of workers don't want to join a union. Clicking the link takes us to a new site, laborpains.org, a blog-style site that is referenced by the Center for Union Facts even though it contains the disclaimer that the opinions presented are not those of the Center. The first three paragraphs display a very high level of anti-union slant, as quoted below (bold emphasis mine):

Today, the Center for Union Facts (CUF) released a unique new poll which found that 82% of non-unionized American workers would not like their jobs to be unionized. The poll, which was conducted by the Opinion Research Corporation of Princeton, New Jersey, clearly demonstrates that an overwhelming number of Americans have no interest in joining a union.

Despite this, Democratic leadership in Congress continues to push the deceptively-named Employee Free Choice Act (EFCA), which would effectively force millions of Americans into unions against their will by eliminating their right to a secret ballot vote. This poll indicates that there is no national mandate for a dramatic change in the law to make it easier to unionize. It further exposes the fact that EFCA?s backers are a small group of labor elites trying to push legislation that goes against the interests of America?s workforce.

Unlike labor unions and their affiliated front groups who refuse to release any of their polls? methodology, CUF?s poll is a straight-forward measurement of Americans interest in joining a union. In addition to gathering basic demographic information, we asked the following two questions to respondents (n = 1,142) who indicated that they were currently employed.
Reading this, we learn that unions are simply filled with Democrats who are deceiving the workers of America, and any polls that contradict this information are merely conducted by labor elites and their shady front groups. Even though the disclaimer exists that laborpains.org is a blog and the opinions are only those of the author, that disclaimer does not appear anywhere in this article nor on the page that linked to it. Readers would have to open the homepage of laborpains.org to get that information. That's disingenous at best.

Clearly this site is simply anti-union. It makes no attempt to appear objective in its presentation of facts. It tells one side of the story and conveniently ignores any facts that don't support it's presented view. By so blatantly portraying only one side of the story, any reader must be skeptical of the facts used; were these facts cherrypicked? What was omitted? Propaganda may be supported with facts, but it's generally not the best source of them.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: TheoPetro
Originally posted by: eskimospy

I find it highly unlikely your intent by posting this thread was to make people aware of all the sources of information about unions that are available. Your OP contained no such caveat as 'this site is insanely biased' or 'take it with a grain of salt', you presented it as a good source for information. If someone is to look at a single site for a good source of information about unions, that's about the last one they should look at.

My intent was to provide another source that I hadn't seen around here. My OP didnt contain any caveat because its not my job to tell people how much faith they should put in any source. That judgment is left up to them, as it should be. I presented it as a good source of information because that is what it is. I didnt not make a judgment on the information in it all I said is that it contains a lot of info. Again if someone was to look at a single site for a good source of info about unions they are not trying to form an informed opinion.

My ass. You linked to propaganda and you got called on it.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: TheoPetro
Originally posted by: bbdub333
Originally posted by: TheoPetro
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: TheoPetro
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Jesus christ.

Nobody attempting to gain objective information on unions should even click on that link, it may infect your computer and make other sites more biased as well. I mean if you want to bash unions that's fine, but to claim that site as a good source for people just looking for information is a pretty horrific lie.

Facts are facts son.

and your source is very lacking

What on there isnt true?

I could give you a link to a white supremacist group's webpage with plenty of facts. Does that make it a good objective place to learn about blacks?

He said that my source was lacking facts. Im asking him to point out the inaccuracies on that site. My original post just said that it has a good amount of information on individual unions and I still think it does. You comment doesn't address the OP or his quote so im not really sure how you want me to respond to that.

its not so much about whats on there (although there does appear to be lots of innuendo) but what isn't, which is any sort of balance.
 

TheoPetro

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Originally posted by: boomerang
Anyone who's been around here for any length of time knows your pro-management leanings. Your leanings are not news to anyone, we know already. Your intent is quite transparent.

I understand your rage that the UAW appears to have 'won". Get happy with it, because for the remainder of the 4 year term left, workers are going to win. It is what it is. Accept what you cannot change.

IMO, your displeasure may be premature. I don't expect either Chrysler of GM to pull out of bankruptcy. If for no other reason than the car market will not support all the car makers in existence today. That goes for both domestic and foreign. You may still get your wish though. But I've got to warn you, the pension funds are funded pretty well. Retired workers may not get thrown into the street like you feel they deserve. So prepare yourself.

It may take some time before the unwashed masses are finally taught a lesson. Final victory may take a while to get here.

Can you hold out until then?

Any time someone says something against the union they are automatically labeled as "pro-management" or "anti-union." I honestly am neither. I am strictly pro business. I dont care if you want to believe it or not its the truth. Its not always good for management to have all of the power in the same way its not good for the workers to have all of the power.

I honestly dont care if the UAW owns 100% GM tomorrow. Its not my industry. It doesnt affect me. My opinion is that the UAW should DIAF but if they dont it doesnt affect me one bit.

Enjoy thinking that you have "won." Its hard not to win when youre the only one fighting.
 

cubby1223

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The ad on the media and card check legislation, is as far as I got on the unionfacts.com site.

While I am generally anti-union, and 100% against card check & the "free" choice act, I will not read that site.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: TheoPetro
UnionFacts

I haven't seen this posted here before and there seems to be a lot of "this was my good experience" vs "this was my bad experience" stuff around here. This site provides a decent amount of information on individual unions. There is some really good info on EFCA in there too.

Enjoy

that site appears to be very biased, to say the least.

Agreed. However, I'd love to see what if anything on there is "false".

It's much easier to attack your enemy's bias than the facts he presents. Are you surprised?