Union plumbers throw wrench in Tom Brady's plan

dartworth

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New England Patriots [team stats] QB/QT - and fledgling real estate flipper - Tom Brady [stats] is under fire by the Plumbers & Gasfitters Union who want their brothers on the job at Brady?s Beacon Street rehab installing all of the bowls - Super or otherwise!

?We?re not going to any Pats games until he builds union,? said Francis Jensen of Local 12, who with about a half-dozen of his brethren threw up an informational picket line in front of No. 12?s Back Bay condo yesterday.

Added union captain Tom Koney: ?Here?s a guy who gets paid millions for what he does but he doesn?t believe in paying plumbers a decent wage.?

The picket line was aimed at flushing out Tom?s plumbing contractor A&K Plumbing of Revere which, the plumbers say, doesn?t pay the ?established community standard? wage of $61.75 an hour plus benefits and does not employ any women or minorities. A&K was put in the Brady pipeline by the general contractor, Boston?s Metric Corp.

Metric president Geoffre Karaboolad said he would have been happy to hire union plumbers for the Brady job but none contacted him during the bidding process.

?They contacted us half-way through the project when the whole thing had been rough-plumbed and all the fixtures bought, and it would have been crazy to switch plumbing contractors at that time,? he said.

Karaboolad said he has used union plumbers on bigger projects in the past and is using union electrical contractors at Brady?s place.

?All of the obligations to hire any of the workers are ours, and we did not confer with Tom about who to hire,? he said.

But the plumbers say that Brady was aware of their pipe gripes because they sent a letter to the two-time Super Bowl MVP?s agents before throwing up the picket line, and they never heard anything back.

?Our members are great Patriots supporters, and we didn?t want to embarrass him,? Cotter said. ?But we are disappointed he didn?t respond.?

Cotter said Local 12 has a special place in their hearts for No. 12 - natch - and feel that the lack of response was a ?slap in the face.?

?He?s in the union himself and you know he?s not waiting in food lines,? said business agent George Donahue. ?You would think he would be more respectful of the building and trade unions in the city of Boston.?

Pats spokesman Stacey James said he couldn?t reach Brady for comment.

Tom, as you may know, bought the 5,000-square-foot, multi-unit townhouse on Beacon Street for $6.7 million a year ago and reportedly plans to spend $3 million renovating it.

Word is, he will take the top two floors and chi-chi roof deck for himself and sell the middle unit. A basement condo and studio will also reportedly go on the block, although there is talk that he may give one unit to his sister.

Tom?s current digs - a three-bedroom, 3 -bath flat in the historic Burrage House - is under agreement to be sold for something in the neighborhood of $6 million. Nice neighborhood! (Brady paid $4.2 million for the 10-room pad in 2004.)

His new digs - an 1871 townhouse with big bow windows - won?t be ready for months. So Brady may need to rent a crash pad in the meantime. But since he?s spending much quality time in the Big Apple with his supermodel galpal Gisele Bundchen, his living situation won?t become an issue until training camp starts.

But hey, there?s always the fabulous End Zone Motel on scenic Route 1!!!

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elmro

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I think Brady should tell them to go screw. Patriots tickets sell like hotcakes, they don't need those guys, or the support of any other union.
 

Sphexi

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Good thing they have all that free time to throw up picket lines, overpaid wrench monkeys.
 

Savij

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Metric president Geoffre Karaboolad said he would have been happy to hire union plumbers for the Brady job but none contacted him during the bidding process.
 
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Originally posted by: Savij
Metric president Geoffre Karaboolad said he would have been happy to hire union plumbers for the Brady job but none contacted him during the bidding process.

Exactly... Unions just suck. They had their place in the early 1900's. Now they are just a bunch of shakedown artists.
 
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what a horrible union....most aren't like this. It does seem that it is more common for the plumbers & pipefitters locals to be crybabies though.
 

TehMac

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We have similar unions who strike at schools, one time my school's teachers went on strike, and another time, the administrators who sit on their asses all day did too. Pathetic.
Healthcare unions go on strike, and Vons went on strike. The thing is, most of the workers at Vons didn't have to, but the union wanted more money, so if they didn't strike, they were out of the union, which meant they couldn't work there. Unions have a stranglehold on the middle (almost pure middle) working class, and they need to be obliterated. The true solution is to have multiple new businesses, so that if a worker doesn't like how one employer treats him, he can go work for another, whose standards of worker employment are up to his own standards. Unions hurt as much as they help. Actually, let me re-phrase that: They hurt a lot more than they help, and the only reason they're still is around is because people are oblivious to what they're doing and their history in the 1900's.
 

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Brady belongs to a Union, he should have made sure his GC hired a Union contractor. The GC is likey the one saving the money.
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
what a horrible union....most aren't like this. It does seem that it is more common for the plumbers & pipefitters locals to be crybabies though.



hey...take it easy..
 

dartworth

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oh, and I've worked in Boston and the plumbers do not make $60/hour + benefits ...that number is way off
 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: dartworth
oh, and I've worked in Boston and the plumbers do not make $60/hour + benefits ...that number is way off

Seems like everytime you see a article talking about Union wages they are inflated. I recall seeing one time that GM workers made $70 per hr. hahaha
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: bctbct
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: dartworth
oh, and I've worked in Boston and the plumbers do not make $60/hour + benefits ...that number is way off</end quote></div>

Seems like everytime you see a article talking about Union wages they are inflated. I recall seeing one time that GM workers made $70 per hr. hahaha

If you included all benefits it MIGHT work out close to that.


And good god, $60 is waaaaay more than they deserve for the work they do.
 

dartworth

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That rate is closer to what the contractor may charge out for a plumber. Actually, that rate is probably closer to $80/hour.

A local 12 plumber probably makes around $36 a hour plus benefits.
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf


If you included all benefits it MIGHT work out close to that.


And good god, $60 is waaaaay more than they deserve for the work they do.



How much do you think they "deserve"...

 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: Savij
Metric president Geoffre Karaboolad said he would have been happy to hire union plumbers for the Brady job but none contacted him during the bidding process.</end quote></div>

Exactly... Unions just suck. They had their place in the early 1900's. Now they are just a bunch of shakedown artists.

What an uneducated comment. Just because this union is like this doesn't mean that all unions are like this.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

If you included all benefits it MIGHT work out close to that.


And good god, $60 is waaaaay more than they deserve for the work they do.

Capitalism is not about making what you "deserve". It's about making what you can get.
 

bctbct

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: bctbct
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: dartworth
oh, and I've worked in Boston and the plumbers do not make $60/hour + benefits ...that number is way off</end quote></div>

Seems like everytime you see a article talking about Union wages they are inflated. I recall seeing one time that GM workers made $70 per hr. hahaha</end quote></div>

If you included all benefits it MIGHT work out close to that.


And good god, $60 is waaaaay more than they deserve for the work they do.

Really how much you think they ought to make?

 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: dartworth
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf


If you included all benefits it MIGHT work out close to that.


And good god, $60 is waaaaay more than they deserve for the work they do.</end quote></div>

How much do you think they "deserve"...

Relative to average experience and education, much less than that. If the average pay is over $60/hour, that means that the AVERAGE plumber is making that, and the average plumber will not be a master at his craft. Sure, $60 is reasonable for someone who is an expert in his field, but not for everyone.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: SarcasticDwarf

Relative to average experience and education, much less than that. If the average pay is over $60/hour, that means that the AVERAGE plumber is making that, and the average plumber will not be a master at his craft. Sure, $60 is reasonable for someone who is an expert in his field, but not for everyone.

You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

If the average worker in a field is making x dollars an hour, that should tell you something. Either the demand is much higher than the supply, or the workers, on average, aren't willing to work for much less than that (and customers are willing to pay what the workers are demanding)
 

shilala

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I'm a union plumber/pipefitter out of Local 354 in Youngwood, PA.
I have just a few comments.
1.) Tom Brady and the Patriots can go suck a dick. Big Ben and the Steelers are the way to go.
2.) Boston has an awesome rate. But it ain't $60 an hour. Unless it's a Sunday. Then it's more than that.
3.) I'm not sure what SarcasticDwarf hit his head on, but I deserve a hell of a lot more than $60 and hour for what I do. If only he had any idea in the world of "what I do", he'd probably not have made the statement. Or maybe he would have. Head injuries are funny like that.
 

SarcasticDwarf

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Originally posted by: shilala
3.) I'm not sure what SarcasticDwarf hit his head on, but I deserve a hell of a lot more than $60 and hour for what I do. If only he had any idea in the world of "what I do", he'd probably not have made the statement. Or maybe he would have. Head injuries are funny like that.

AH, but so do I, yet my field pays considerably less than yours. People in my field deserve at least 80/hour, but very rarely make more than $30 hour (with a Masters or phd). The fact is that there are certain industries where the pay is far outside the normal trend for people with the experience/education that they have, and plumbing is one of them.