Unidentified federal law enforcement arresting Portland protesters in unmarked vehicles, for unknown reasons...

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zinfamous

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AFAIK...but correct me if I'm wrong...

  1. CBP can operate anywhere to enforce immigration violations and federal crimes
  2. CBP can perform warrantless search and detention within 100 miles of the border
  3. Portland is less than 100 miles from a border (the Pacific Ocean)
  4. As are 2 out of 3 American residents
So this situation is not so much “oh my god the cops have stopped following the law” and more of “oh my god here’s another giant loophole for Trump to abuse unaccountable power.”

He’s testing the waters for his plan to "dominate the space", as he mentioned in one of his speeches. He’s testing to see if it binds cops together, to roll WITH him, if Republicans and his base rallies around the police/feds, and are rolling with him, and how bad it owns the libs.

If it hits all the right notes, across the board, he’ll roll it out nationwide.

If it doesn’t fly, he’ll denounce all involvement, claim no responsibility and probably fire somebody.

Right out of the fascist playbook.

technically, the beach isn't a border. National maritime borders extend miles out into oceans and seas.
 

FaaR

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Which in this case is to protest peacefully and without property damage.
Typically, it's not the people protesting who break stuff and set things on fire, unless things are so bad that it's a feeling of revolution-time in the air and everybody are filled with outrage and hate for the state.

Regardless what you want to say about Dumpy (and a lot could be said!), I don't think things are quite that bad yet...

So the people wrecking stuff are generally just common vandals seeing an opportunity to destroy things for kicks. And, the more paranoid amongst us might also suspect agent provocateurs with a mission to make the protestors look bad, of course... :p
 
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cytg111

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Trump wants it to escalate. That's what it's all about. It's in the manual. Go to 3:00-


The prequel


Now I am sad. Super way to end the weekend.

Btw, super channel .. gonna start watching his shit.
 
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FaaR

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30 million+ dead Americans. Can you fit 30 million dead people in 5th Ave?
I don't think 10% mortality rate is realistic, no other country has come anywhere close to that. But the worst-case scenario which apparently was the one thing kickstarting Dumpy into at least acknowledging covid as an actual, serious thing (this past spring-ish, as I recall), rather than a scam like he'd claimed previously, was two million dead.

And that's a pretty big deal too.
 

cytg111

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I don't think 10% mortality rate is realistic, no other country has come anywhere close to that. But the worst-case scenario which apparently was the one thing kickstarting Dumpy into at least acknowledging covid as an actual, serious thing (this past spring-ish, as I recall), rather than a scam like he'd claimed previously, was two million dead.

And that's a pretty big deal too.
Sorry, bad math moment, 3 million of course, in line with 1% or just under, but in this particular case where it runs rampant and hospitals choke up, who knows what the actual toll will be.

Back on topic here:



Weeeeeeeee
 
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“Attorney General Barr is weighing in on that with [acting Homeland Security] Secretary [Chad] Wolf, and you’ll see something rolled out this week, as we start to go in and make sure that the communities—whether it’s Chicago or Portland or Milwaukee or someplace across the heartland of the country—we need to make sure their communities are safe,” Meadows said.

Like I said, buckle up.
 

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While I support protesting, and am horrified at the 'black bagging' by the feds, I have to say that the property damage needs to stop. I went downtown yesterday, and did not like what I saw. The destruction of the Elk fountain was a particularly hard blow. If you want people to side with you on police reform (which I support), you need to demonstrate the ability to police yourselves.

Agreed...Peaceful protesters cannot peacefully protest with a subset of agitators causing property damage and breaking the law. If the mayor and governor are not having the police arrest people when they do damage, they are creating a power vacuum that Trump and his handlers are all to happy to step in and exploit. It's a lack of leadership if these people are being allowed to get out of control. I see the governor is a woman. Another reason he's moved on Portland. Trump Wants a made-for-TV-Riot. Don't give it to him.
 

ch33zw1z

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I don't think 10% mortality rate is realistic, no other country has come anywhere close to that. But the worst-case scenario which apparently was the one thing kickstarting Dumpy into at least acknowledging covid as an actual, serious thing (this past spring-ish, as I recall), rather than a scam like he'd claimed previously, was two million dead.

And that's a pretty big deal too.

Pretty sure Italy did.

 
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I don't think 10% mortality rate is realistic, no other country has come anywhere close to that. But the worst-case scenario which apparently was the one thing kickstarting Dumpy into at least acknowledging covid as an actual, serious thing (this past spring-ish, as I recall), rather than a scam like he'd claimed previously, was two million dead.

And that's a pretty big deal too.

To my understanding once hospitals get so full they have no space and the virus spreads to hospitals staff pretty quick which reduces care the mortality rate increases rapidly.
I’m no expert but that makes sense.
 

cytg111

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Pretty sure Italy did.


True, on paper, though, when you are overwhelmed, unable to test enough, the ppl that arrives at the hospital are already half dead, surprise, tests positive for covid19, then continues to die, this is the picture you get, a high mortality rate.

Trump is such a massive moron! I cant fathom how anyone can not balance these simple things upstairs - and it would be a powerful campaign topic too. Its like this : More positive cases equals a lower mortality rate WHEN you are out of the Italy scenario. (plus Italy has a larger elderly population and customs that are counter productive in an epidemic).

The thing is Trump is not a moron, his metrics is a balance of this

-Number of covid cases is in correlation with states willingness to open up economy.
-Open up economy equals better odds of reelection
-Ramp down testing now equals higher mortality rate and wider spread.
-Mortality rate only picks up post election.
-Vaccine arrives. Victory lap.

The delta in deaths from the slowing of testing is what Trump is willing to sacrifice for himself. Or rather FURTHER deaths, more deaths. He wants to kill even more that is already on him.

I dont know why I am typing out what everyone here already knows. Stupid.
 

cytg111

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To my understanding once hospitals get so full they have no space and the virus spreads to hospitals staff pretty quick which reduces care the mortality rate increases rapidly.
I’m no expert but that makes sense.

It is precisely my understanding as well.
 
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ch33zw1z

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True, on paper, though, when you are overwhelmed, unable to test enough, the ppl that arrives at the hospital are already half dead, surprise, tests positive for covid19, then continues to die, this is the picture you get, a high mortality rate.

Trump is such a massive moron! I cant fathom how anyone can not balance these simple things upstairs - and it would be a powerful campaign topic too. Its like this : More positive cases equals a lower mortality rate WHEN you are out of the Italy scenario. (plus Italy has a larger elderly population and customs that are counter productive in an epidemic).

The thing is Trump is not a moron, his metrics is a balance of this

-Number of covid cases is in correlation with states willingness to open up economy.
-Open up economy equals better odds of reelection
-Ramp down testing now equals higher mortality rate and wider spread.
-Mortality rate only picks up post election.
-Vaccine arrives. Victory lap.

The delta in deaths from the slowing of testing is what Trump is willing to sacrifice for himself. Or rather FURTHER deaths, more deaths. He wants to kill even more that is already on him.

I dont know why I am typing out what everyone here already knows. Stupid.

lol, I dunno. I have a pretty good handle on how the numbers work. At least one country, Italy, had a overwhelmed healthcare system and the mortality rate skyrocketed. There's other potential variables, like average age of the population, that can come into play. But one thing is for certain, if the hospitals meet max capacity, it will be a very big contributing factor in the mortality rate increasing. Another example would be NYC.
 

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lol, I dunno. I have a pretty good handle on how the numbers work. At least one country, Italy, had a overwhelmed healthcare system and the mortality rate skyrocketed. There's other potential variables, like average age of the population, that can come into play. But one thing is for certain, if the hospitals meet max capacity, it will be a very big contributing factor in the mortality rate increasing. Another example would be NYC.

NYC? That will look like a walk in the park after the Rona has its way with the whole tier of southern states & Arizona. Maybe California, too. It won't matter if you get sick in Florida or Zimbabwe because the level of care will be about the same for regular folk.
 
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Not confusing at all. ISIS used women as shields too. Law enforcement can distinguish between moms and anarchists.
Lol it would appear not.

More police rioting. Looks like we can’t stop at reigning in local police, we will need to cut and regulate federal law enforcement as well.
 

ch33zw1z

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NYC? That will look like a walk in the park after the Rona has its way with the whole tier of southern states & Arizona. Maybe California, too. It won't matter if you get sick in Florida or Zimbabwe because the level of care will be about the same for regular folk.

it certainly appears that's the direction we're heading.