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Ungrateful Iraqi War Orphan Ali (boy with no arms) Wants US Pilot to Suffer as he has

GrGr

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Interesting that CNN is beginning to "print" anti-war stories like that.
 

Tripleshot

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Sad, Sad he was hurt, sad he lost his family, sad his country had to suffer because of the ruthless leader of Iraq, and the vengful turd running the US.

Very sad indeed. :(
 

Lonyo

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So, he was stuck in a war he didn't need to be in, and lost his arms, despite being a civilian child, and he's meant to be grateful?
The kid did nothing to anyone, yet he was someone who suffered greatly.

And you have the audacity to suggest he should be grateful for losing both arms and, from what it seems, both parents?!

What a great tradeoff.
 

Gaard

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Poor kid. I don't blame him for having bitter feelings. He may look at things differently when he grows up, but I wouldn't expect a kid, especially one who lost 15 family members, to feel any different than the way he does.
 

Gaard

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Lonyo, after a while you'll learn that Justin lives on Bizarro World and realize that he believes the exact opposite of what he says. ;)
 

Corn

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Lonyo, after a while you'll learn that Justin lives on Bizarro World and realize that he believes the exact opposite of what he says. ;)
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Poor kid. I don't blame him for having bitter feelings. He may look at things differently when he grows up, but I wouldn't expect a kid, especially one who lost 15 family members, to feel any different than the way he does.
... and there are untold thousands more just like him.
 

Drift3r

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Maybe he was hiding the WMD's in his house. Hell maybe we'll see some un-confirmed forged Nigerian papers attesting to this claim.
 

Moonbeam

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What people don't realize, being as how they're asleep, is that this is actually heaven. So since those who are in heaven feel nothing but infinite love, all the bitterness and problems the rest of us see in the world are all from our own mental illness. We create the world in our own self image.
 

JackStorm

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The boy has no reason to be "grateful" to the U.S for anything. The boy lost his family and both arms due to U.S. bombing raids. He's the "victim" here. He's fully within his right as a human being to blame the person or people that caused his suffering. And no, just because the U.S helped him (this was a PR stunt that happens in all wars to make the county that comited the act seem like a good guy, while not helping the 1000s of other people who got hurt) doesn't mean anyone has the right to call him "ungrateful" or anything of such nature.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
But what of all the other children that will now keep their arms because Saddam isn't there to blow them off?

Don't worry we will make sure that they and their families starve to death.


US soldiers bulldoze farmers' crops
Americans accused of brutal 'punishment' tactics against villagers, while British are condemned as too soft
By Patrick Cockburn in Dhuluaya


12 October 2003

US soldiers driving bulldozers, with jazz blaring from loudspeakers, have uprooted ancient groves of date palms as well as orange and lemon trees in central Iraq as part of a new policy of collective punishment of farmers who do not give information about guerrillas attacking US troops.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=452375
 

dexvx

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
But what of all the other children that will now keep their arms because Saddam isn't there to blow them off?
I'm sure that reporters are flocking to make a huge story about the thousands of children that will keep their arms because Saddam is gone.
 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
But what of all the other children that will now keep their arms because Saddam isn't there to blow them off?
That's not really what this thread is about. We all know (I hope) of the damage hussein has and would have done in the future ( I was for him being removed, just didn't like the way they went about doing it). The problem is that people are somehow EXPECTING him to be grateful, and that's absured. I know I sure as hell wouldn't be grateful for any "help" I got from the person (or people) who caused my familys death and the loss of my arms. The boy has all the right in the world to be angry at the one who caused his suffering.

p.s: I really find it annoying when people try to turn this into something political or use it as propaganda, so please people, lets not go there (even though this is a political forum) this belongs in the "news" part of P&N. I also hope news reporters (and everyone else for that matter) will have the desency to not attack the boy (such as calling him ungrateful) after what's happened to him.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
But what of all the other children that will now keep their arms because Saddam isn't there to blow them off?
That's not really what this thread is about. We all know (I hope) of the damage hussein has and would have done in the future ( I was for him being removed, just didn't like the way they went about doing it). The problem is that people are somehow EXPECTING him to be grateful, and that's absured. I know I sure as hell wouldn't be grateful for any "help" I got from the person (or people) who caused my familys death and the loss of my arms. The boy has all the right in the world to be angry at the one who caused his suffering.

p.s: I really find it annoying when people try to turn this into something political or use it as propaganda, so please people, lets not go there (even though this is a political forum) this belongs in the "news" part of P&N. I also hope news reporters (and everyone else for that matter) will have the desency to not attack the boy (such as calling him ungrateful) after what's happened to him.

Your damn right he is ungrateful and we as Americans are right to be righteously angry at this sort of attitude. We went to Iraq to liberate them after they allowed thier country to spiral out of control becoming a threat to the US, the region, and its own people. They did nothing, forcing us to take the initiative.

You know what is wrong in Iraq right now? The Iraqis. The US had a brilliant plan that resulted in military victory in 3 weeks. The pentagon led by Rumsfeld and his associates rightly expected that the Iraqis would welcome us as the liberators we are and step up to the plate and rebuild thier country. Did they do that? No!!!! The bitch and whine about the power, about bandits, about "security". Was it US soldiers who looted things? No!!! It is the Iraqis. Ungrateful is a mild term for it. Now we have to clean up thier mess once again.
 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
But what of all the other children that will now keep their arms because Saddam isn't there to blow them off?
That's not really what this thread is about. We all know (I hope) of the damage hussein has and would have done in the future ( I was for him being removed, just didn't like the way they went about doing it). The problem is that people are somehow EXPECTING him to be grateful, and that's absured. I know I sure as hell wouldn't be grateful for any "help" I got from the person (or people) who caused my familys death and the loss of my arms. The boy has all the right in the world to be angry at the one who caused his suffering.

p.s: I really find it annoying when people try to turn this into something political or use it as propaganda, so please people, lets not go there (even though this is a political forum) this belongs in the "news" part of P&N. I also hope news reporters (and everyone else for that matter) will have the desency to not attack the boy (such as calling him ungrateful) after what's happened to him.

Your damn right he is ungrateful and we as Americans are right to be righteously angry at this sort of attitude. We went to Iraq to liberate them after they allowed thier country to spiral out of control becoming a threat to the US, the region, and its own people. They did nothing, forcing us to take the initiative.

You know what is wrong in Iraq right now? The Iraqis. The US had a brilliant plan that resulted in military victory in 3 weeks. The pentagon led by Rumsfeld and his associates rightly expected that the Iraqis would welcome us as the liberators we are and step up to the plate and rebuild thier country. Did they do that? No!!!! The bitch and whine about the power, about bandits, about "security". Was it US soldiers who looted things? No!!! It is the Iraqis. Ungrateful is a mild term for it. Now we have to clean up thier mess once again.
Of course... this is all the Iraqs fault, they don't want to fallow our way of life/living so something most be "wrong" with them. You're also asuming all Iraqis wanted to be "liberated" sure the kurds wanted hussein gone, and most likely so did most of the shi'ite. But you forget, many of them remember the past and being abandoned (the shi'ite's) by the americans after being insited to rebel against hussin (can't remember if it was the CIA or the pentagon that did it, anyone who has more detailed info on is welcome to correct me here). Also, many Iraqs didn't want the U.S there anymore than they wanted hussein.

And again, you forget that all the "rebuilding" that needs to be done is due to sanctions (which U.S refued remove even though people were suffering) and the wars (first which was husseins fault, current war which is the current U.S administrations fault).

I see you also seem to think, regardless of proof one way or another, that hussin was somehow a threat to the U.S. Again here I'm inclined to tell you to wait untill any proof of such plaim is proven or dis-proven.

I don't know, but it's almost as if you expect all people to want to fallow your way of living. Ever crossed you mind that some people (and no, I'm not talking about terrorists here) don't want the american way of life or democracy?

Also, I wouldn't call this a military victory just yet. Wait untill the country has an elected goverment and untill the dayly fighting is over, before you call it that.

And please, remember this is a kid, his family died. of course he's angry, to expect anything else, is, as I've said before "absurd". He's bound to say things people wont "like".
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: JackStorm
Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
But what of all the other children that will now keep their arms because Saddam isn't there to blow them off?
That's not really what this thread is about. We all know (I hope) of the damage hussein has and would have done in the future ( I was for him being removed, just didn't like the way they went about doing it). The problem is that people are somehow EXPECTING him to be grateful, and that's absured. I know I sure as hell wouldn't be grateful for any "help" I got from the person (or people) who caused my familys death and the loss of my arms. The boy has all the right in the world to be angry at the one who caused his suffering.

p.s: I really find it annoying when people try to turn this into something political or use it as propaganda, so please people, lets not go there (even though this is a political forum) this belongs in the "news" part of P&N. I also hope news reporters (and everyone else for that matter) will have the desency to not attack the boy (such as calling him ungrateful) after what's happened to him.

Your damn right he is ungrateful and we as Americans are right to be righteously angry at this sort of attitude. We went to Iraq to liberate them after they allowed thier country to spiral out of control becoming a threat to the US, the region, and its own people. They did nothing, forcing us to take the initiative.

You know what is wrong in Iraq right now? The Iraqis. The US had a brilliant plan that resulted in military victory in 3 weeks. The pentagon led by Rumsfeld and his associates rightly expected that the Iraqis would welcome us as the liberators we are and step up to the plate and rebuild thier country. Did they do that? No!!!! The bitch and whine about the power, about bandits, about "security". Was it US soldiers who looted things? No!!! It is the Iraqis. Ungrateful is a mild term for it. Now we have to clean up thier mess once again.
Of course... this is all the Iraqs fault, they don't want to fallow our way of life/living so something most be "wrong" with them. You're also asuming all Iraqis wanted to be "liberated" sure the kurds wanted hussein gone, and most likely so did most of the shi'ite. But you forget, many of them remember the past and being abandoned (the shi'ite's) by the americans after being insited to rebel against hussin (can't remember if it was the CIA or the pentagon that did it, anyone who has more detailed info on is welcome to correct me here). Also, many Iraqs didn't want the U.S there anymore than they wanted hussein.

And again, you forget that all the "rebuilding" that needs to be done is due to sanctions (which U.S refued remove even though people were suffering) and the wars (first which was husseins fault, current war which is the U.S fault).

I see you also seem to think, regardless of proof one way or another, that hussin was somehow a threat to the U.S. Again here I'm inclined to tell you to wait untill any proof of such plaim is proven or dis-proven.

I don't know, but it's almost as if you expect all people to want to fallow your way of living. Ever crossed you mind that some people (and no, I'm not talking about terrorists here) don't want the american way of life or democracy?

Also, I wouldn't call this a military victory just yet. Wait untill the country has an elected goverment and untill the dayly fighting is over, before you call it that.

And please, remember this is a kid, his family died. of course he's angry, to expect anything else, is, as I've said before "absurd". He's abound to say things people wont "like".
Blah, blah, blah, blah bleeding heart.

Step aside and let the real Americans take care of business.
 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Your damn right he is ungrateful and we as Americans are right to be righteously angry at this sort of attitude. We went to Iraq to liberate them after they allowed thier country to spiral out of control becoming a threat to the US, the region, and its own people. They did nothing, forcing us to take the initiative.

You know what is wrong in Iraq right now? The Iraqis. The US had a brilliant plan that resulted in military victory in 3 weeks. The pentagon led by Rumsfeld and his associates rightly expected that the Iraqis would welcome us as the liberators we are and step up to the plate and rebuild thier country. Did they do that? No!!!! The bitch and whine about the power, about bandits, about "security". Was it US soldiers who looted things? No!!! It is the Iraqis. Ungrateful is a mild term for it. Now we have to clean up thier mess once again.
Damn, you must be getting "short" here in CONUS, aren't you? ;)

Seriously though, good luck when you deploy.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Your damn right he is ungrateful and we as Americans are right to be righteously angry at this sort of attitude. We went to Iraq to liberate them after they allowed thier country to spiral out of control becoming a threat to the US, the region, and its own people. They did nothing, forcing us to take the initiative.

You know what is wrong in Iraq right now? The Iraqis. The US had a brilliant plan that resulted in military victory in 3 weeks. The pentagon led by Rumsfeld and his associates rightly expected that the Iraqis would welcome us as the liberators we are and step up to the plate and rebuild thier country. Did they do that? No!!!! The bitch and whine about the power, about bandits, about "security". Was it US soldiers who looted things? No!!! It is the Iraqis. Ungrateful is a mild term for it. Now we have to clean up thier mess once again.
Damn, you must be getting "short" here in CONUS, aren't you? ;)

Seriously though, good luck when you deploy.
contracter actually. Looks like November 10 or therabouts I head to Kuwait.

 

burnedout

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: burnedout
Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Your damn right he is ungrateful and we as Americans are right to be righteously angry at this sort of attitude. We went to Iraq to liberate them after they allowed thier country to spiral out of control becoming a threat to the US, the region, and its own people. They did nothing, forcing us to take the initiative.

You know what is wrong in Iraq right now? The Iraqis. The US had a brilliant plan that resulted in military victory in 3 weeks. The pentagon led by Rumsfeld and his associates rightly expected that the Iraqis would welcome us as the liberators we are and step up to the plate and rebuild thier country. Did they do that? No!!!! The bitch and whine about the power, about bandits, about "security". Was it US soldiers who looted things? No!!! It is the Iraqis. Ungrateful is a mild term for it. Now we have to clean up thier mess once again.
Damn, you must be getting "short" here in CONUS, aren't you? ;)

Seriously though, good luck when you deploy.
contracter actually. Looks like November 10 or therabouts I head to Kuwait.
Oh hell, you'll be OK then.

I had an offer to go over there about 6 weeks ago. Grad school, steady job, the comparatively crappy pay and age 41 dictated otherwise.
 

JackStorm

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Bleeding heart? oh please... listen to yourself. Your kind always loves to shout how hussein destoys lifes. But when the tables are reversed your kinds shows no regard for human life. Hell, I see you're not even worth my time. You obviusly have so regard for human life. You're just using this for propaganda purposes. Just like the Bush bashers use propaganda to attack Bush. You're no better than them. Crist, this bullsh!t is going is circles. One side starts it, the other picks it up. Oh, and if you think I'm a liberal, I'm not. So save that bleeding heart BS.
 

tallest1

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
from CNN.COM

After we liberated his country, and paid for his treatment....what gall. Shows that Arabs will just never learn.
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
You know what is wrong in Iraq right now? The Iraqis. The US had a brilliant plan that resulted in military victory in 3 weeks.
Originally posted by: tnitsuj

Blah, blah, blah, blah bleeding heart.

Step aside and let the real Americans take care of business.
The Compassionate Conservative speaks!
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: OFFascist
Sucks to be him.

It would have been better had he died with the rest of his family.
Actually it is better that he die now. He already expressed hatred for Americans, and he will probably grow up hating us just as all Arabs do. Haven't we learned anything yet? You do not allow the enemy to fester and grow, you take action before they become a threat. I wouldn't be surprised if little Ali has an "accident".

 

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