Unemployment Rolls drops to 4 year low

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Interesting news

As I predicted, the number of new jobs needed each month to sustain new workers is down from the 150k mark, now pegged at 125-130k.

Ecnomists still downplaying oil, saying high job growth will keep the effect of high oil in check.

Aug. 25 (Bloomberg) -- The number of Americans filing first- time claims for jobless benefits fell to 315,000 last week as companies held on to workers in an expanding economy.

Initial jobless claims declined by 4,000 in the week ended Aug. 20 from 319,000 the week before, the Labor Department said today in Washington. Claims have stayed below 320,000 for six straight weeks, the longest such run since 2000. Claims averaged 375,000 a week during the last five years.

Companies including Wal-Mart Stores Inc. are planning to hire new workers to meet demand even as record gasoline prices threaten to curb consumer spending. Businesses are also hiring more and firing less as worker productivity growth slows.

``This data supports the idea that payrolls will be strong again in August,'' said Ellen Beeson, an economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi Ltd. in New York, who correctly forecast the decline to 315,000 claims. ``At some point employers are going to cut back on hiring if they can't pass along these higher energy prices. The fact that claims are still so low suggests that's not happening yet.''

Jobs

Employers will probably add 199,000 jobs in August, the median forecast of 20 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. That would bring the total for the year to 1.54 million, ahead of the 1.5 million created during the same period of 2004, which was the best year for job creation since 1999.

Jobless claims in the 310,000 to 320,000 range suggest companies are adding about 220,000 new jobs a month, said Anthony Chan, senior economist at JPMorgan Asset Management in Columbus, Ohio. U.S. payrolls increased by 207,000 jobs in July. The economy needs to add 125,000 to 130,000 new jobs each month to keep pace with new workers joining the labor force, Chan said.

Jobless claims were expected to fall to 315,000, the median forecast in a Bloomberg News survey of 33 economists, from the 316,000 originally reported last week. Estimates ranged from 310,000 claims to 328,000.

The four-week average of claims, a less volatile measure, rose to 315,000 from 313,750, today's report showed.

The number of people continuing to collect state jobless benefits decreased to 2.578 million in the week ended Aug. 13 from 2.587 million the week before. The four-week moving average of continuing claims was the lowest since March 2001.

The insured employment rate, which tends to track the U.S. jobless rate, was unchanged at 2 percent. The Labor Department said 43 states and territories reported fewer claims, while 10 had more. These data are reported with a one-week lag.

Economic Growth

The pace of economic growth is expected to accelerate to 4.1 percent this quarter from 3.4 percent in the prior three months, according to a Bloomberg News economists' forecast completed Aug. 8. Housing continues to support faster growth. New home sales unexpectedly set a record in July, the Commerce Department reported yesterday.

Chan said oil prices above $50 a barrel may shave half a percentage point from the annual rate of economic expansion in the third quarter.

The average monthly oil price on the New York Mercantile Exchange has risen steadily since May. Crude oil for October delivery rose as much as 68 cents, or 1 percent, yesterday to a record $68 a barrel in after-hours electronic trading. It averaged $49.77 in May.

Oil

``When the economy is creating 200,000 new jobs a month, we can tolerate $65 to $70 a barrel oil,'' Chan said. ``It masks the impact on consumer confidence.''

The University of Michigan's gauge of consumer sentiment fell to 92.7 in August from 96.5 in July. The average retail price for all grades of gasoline this month rose to $2.50 a gallon from $2.33 during the same period in July, according to the U.S. Energy Department.

Economists track unemployment claims to gauge job creation because hiring typically accelerates as firing slows.

Average weekly claims fell 6.3 percent this year to 324,130 from the same period of 2004. Average monthly payroll gains rose 2.3 percent from a year earlier to 191,000.

The volume of help-wanted advertising in major U.S. newspapers unexpectedly increased last month, suggesting companies may be hiring more this summer, a Conference Board study today showed. The New York-based business research group said its gauge of advertising volume in 51 U.S. newspapers rose to 39 in July from 38 in June.

Productivity

``The claims data are telling us that the labor market is continuing to improve and growing at a rate of about 200,000 jobs a month,'' said Joseph Abate, a senior economist at Lehman Brothers Inc. in New York.

Companies are hiring more workers as efficiency gains wane. Productivity growth slowed to a 2.2 percent annual rate in the second quarter from 3.2 percent in the first three months of the year, the Labor Department reported earlier this month. Productivity growth averaged 3.4 percent since the end of the last recession in November 2001.

``Companies are looking to expand profits more now through sales growth than cost cutting,'' said Lynn Reaser, chief economist of the Investment Strategies Group at Bank of America in Boston.

Wal-Mart, the world's largest retailer, is expanding its operations to reach more consumers even as sales growth slows because of rising gasoline prices. The Bentonville, Arkansas- based company said this week it plans to build a new distribution center in Merced, California, that will create 600 jobs there.

Smaller Profit

The retailer reported its smallest quarterly profit gain in four years last week and cut its full-year earnings forecast, citing the effect of record-high gasoline prices.

``I do feel good about the economy,'' Wal-Mart Chief Executive H. Lee Scott, said Aug. 16. ``But I worry about the effect of higher oil prices. So I anticipate that we will face challenges as the year progresses.''

Not every company is expecting business to expand.

Eastman Kodak Co. said today it will shut two facilities at its Rochester headquarters and reduce manufacturing capacity at a film plant in China, eliminating 900 jobs, more than half in Rochester.
I wonder which 10 states reported an increase in jobless claims.
 

piasabird

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As the unemployment rate gets lower, employers have fewer prospective employees to choose from. This mean demands for employees goes up and then they have a better bargaining position to demand higher wages.
 

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Originally posted by: piasabird
As the unemployment rate gets lower, employers have fewer prospective employees to choose from. This mean demands for employees goes up and then they have a better bargaining position to demand higher wages.

True story...

Unemployment will continue to drop, our economy is doing pretty dang good.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
Originally posted by: piasabird
As the unemployment rate gets lower, employers have fewer prospective employees to choose from. This mean demands for employees goes up and then they have a better bargaining position to demand higher wages.

True story...

Unemployment will continue to drop, our economy is doing pretty dang good.

while i just read today on msn that the average worker now takes home less per week. the point was made that the corporations are doing better but this isn't getting passed onto the workers yet. if things continue there is hope though...
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
Originally posted by: piasabird
As the unemployment rate gets lower, employers have fewer prospective employees to choose from. This mean demands for employees goes up and then they have a better bargaining position to demand higher wages.

True story...

Unemployment will continue to drop, our economy is doing pretty dang good.

Which is great, especially for low wage workers. IMO the current $5.15 minimum wage is outdated.
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
Originally posted by: piasabird
As the unemployment rate gets lower, employers have fewer prospective employees to choose from. This mean demands for employees goes up and then they have a better bargaining position to demand higher wages.

True story...

Unemployment will continue to drop, our economy is doing pretty dang good.

Which is great, especially for low wage workers. IMO the current $5.15 minimum wage is outdated.

You want to raise it?
 

ntdz

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
Originally posted by: piasabird
As the unemployment rate gets lower, employers have fewer prospective employees to choose from. This mean demands for employees goes up and then they have a better bargaining position to demand higher wages.

True story...

Unemployment will continue to drop, our economy is doing pretty dang good.

Which is great, especially for low wage workers. IMO the current $5.15 minimum wage is outdated.

Most states have a higher minimum wage. For example, here in California it's $6.75.
 

EatSpam

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Must be all those new Wal-mart jobs opening up. When you work 6 hours a week and they give you public aid forms, you're employed, congratulations!
 

Train

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Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
Originally posted by: piasabird
As the unemployment rate gets lower, employers have fewer prospective employees to choose from. This mean demands for employees goes up and then they have a better bargaining position to demand higher wages.

True story...

Unemployment will continue to drop, our economy is doing pretty dang good.

while i just read today on msn that the average worker now takes home less per week. the point was made that the corporations are doing better but this isn't getting passed onto the workers yet. if things continue there is hope though...
link?
 

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Originally posted by: Train
Interesting news

As I predicted, the number of new jobs needed each month to sustain new workers is down from the 150k mark, now pegged at 125-130k.

Hey train, are you looking for work currently? Maybe in the advanced degree tech sector? If not, then shut your pie hole. These new jobs are low paying, no benefit, high school diploma sh!t jobs. I have been sending out coverletters and resumes for better than a month and havent even gotten an interview. I have a phd and may be unemployed at the end of december. Does that tell you anything?
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: tss4

You want to raise it?

Raise or repeal it. If there is a minimum wage it should be high enough to matter. Though perhaps due to the cost of living variation states should set their own laws.
 
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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: Train
Interesting news

As I predicted, the number of new jobs needed each month to sustain new workers is down from the 150k mark, now pegged at 125-130k.

Hey train, are you looking for work currently? Maybe in the advanced degree tech sector? If not, then shut your pie hole. These new jobs are low paying, no benefit, high school diploma sh!t jobs. I have been sending out coverletters and resumes for better than a month and havent even gotten an interview. I have a phd and may be unemployed at the end of december. Does that tell you anything?
Are you a "new worker?"

 

Train

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Originally posted by: homercles337
Originally posted by: Train
Interesting news

As I predicted, the number of new jobs needed each month to sustain new workers is down from the 150k mark, now pegged at 125-130k.

Hey train, are you looking for work currently? Maybe in the advanced degree tech sector? If not, then shut your pie hole.
Not currently but I just turned down a job offer for a higher paying job than I am at now.
These new jobs are low paying, no benefit, high school diploma sh!t jobs.
Thats your personal opinion/expirience. The BLS data shows avg wages are up every month. I live in Michigan, the worst state in the country for job growth (often the ONLY state to post negative jobs), and I'm doing ok. I was laid off last year, and was working again within 5 weeks. So don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.
I have been sending out coverletters and resumes for better than a month and havent even gotten an interview.
back in 2001 I did that for 6 months and only got 2 interviews, stick with it, evetually I got a very good paying job
I have a phd and may be unemployed at the end of december. Does that tell you anything?
So far, that your a cry baby? PHD's dont mean sh:t anways. ESPECIALLY in the tech sector. I usually sit in on interviews (we are hiring 2 new programmers and graphics developer right now) and if someone comes in with degrees and certifications up the ass, we will take a HS diploma with a few years on the job expirience over them in a heart beat.

 

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Originally posted by: Train
PHD's dont mean sh:t anways. ESPECIALLY in the tech sector. I usually sit in on interviews (we are hiring 2 new programmers and graphics developer right now) and if someone comes in with degrees and certifications up the ass, we will take a HS diploma with a few years on the job expirience over them in a heart beat.

Well, that depends on the job. For general programming, sure a PhD is waste of time for you to hire. For R&D of new protocol stacks, network architecture, graphical compression algorithms, etc. a PhD can be worth his/her weight in gold. So your PhD don't mean sh:t comment is over the top and kind of makes you sound a little less intelligent. Perhaps, you just don't need a PhD for the positions you hire for.
 

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Originally posted by: Train
Interesting news

As I predicted, the number of new jobs needed each month to sustain new workers is down from the 150k mark, now pegged at 125-130k.

Topic Title: Unemployment Rolls drops to 4 year low.

Of course it is low.

Everyone is either contracting or working service jobs at Wally World or McD's.

Where have you've been??? :confused:
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: Train
PHD's dont mean sh:t anways. ESPECIALLY in the tech sector. I usually sit in on interviews (we are hiring 2 new programmers and graphics developer right now) and if someone comes in with degrees and certifications up the ass, we will take a HS diploma with a few years on the job expirience over them in a heart beat.

Well, that depends on the job. For general programming, sure a PhD is waste of time for you to hire. For R&D of new protocol stacks, network architecture, graphical compression algorithms, etc. a PhD can be worth his/her weight in gold. So your PhD don't mean sh:t comment is over the top and kind of makes you sound a little less intelligent. Perhaps, you just don't need a PhD for the positions you hire for.

not only that the difference between no college education and phd versus BS degree and phd is huge. undergrad is the new HS diploma IMO. i def agree that phd being worth it is all about the type of work/job. that's hardly a good reason to get a phd though so it doesn't matter too much.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: Train
Originally posted by: Tommunist
Originally posted by: 5LiterMustang
Originally posted by: piasabird
As the unemployment rate gets lower, employers have fewer prospective employees to choose from. This mean demands for employees goes up and then they have a better bargaining position to demand higher wages.

True story...

Unemployment will continue to drop, our economy is doing pretty dang good.

while i just read today on msn that the average worker now takes home less per week. the point was made that the corporations are doing better but this isn't getting passed onto the workers yet. if things continue there is hope though...
link?

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/p126956.asp?GT1=6821
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Train
Interesting news

As I predicted, the number of new jobs needed each month to sustain new workers is down from the 150k mark, now pegged at 125-130k.

Topic Title: Unemployment Rolls drops to 4 year low.

Of course it is low.

Everyone is either contracting or working service jobs at Wally World or McD's.

Where have you've been??? :confused:

I dont think a single person on this forum is working at either of those places.
 

Tommunist

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Train
Interesting news

As I predicted, the number of new jobs needed each month to sustain new workers is down from the 150k mark, now pegged at 125-130k.

Topic Title: Unemployment Rolls drops to 4 year low.

Of course it is low.

Everyone is either contracting or working service jobs at Wally World or McD's.

Where have you've been??? :confused:

I dont think a single person on this forum is working at either of those places.

i bet someone does - but i bet that person is living with their parents. either way that isn't very meaningful since this forum is far from a good sample of america.
 

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Unemployment dropped to a four year low? Is that number correct? Did they count people who aren't looking for jobs activly, but if one becomes availible, they'll take it? THAT is what I'm thinking is happening. People have given up. They don't think that there are any jobs out there, so they stop searching for them. They still will take jobs if offered to them, but they won't apply for jobless claims or whatever.

You guys should read this OP ed article. 11,000 people applied for Jobs in Northern Cali for a newly opened wal-mart but only 400 were availible...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/26/opinion/26krugman.html
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Train
Interesting news

As I predicted, the number of new jobs needed each month to sustain new workers is down from the 150k mark, now pegged at 125-130k.

Topic Title: Unemployment Rolls drops to 4 year low.

Of course it is low.

Everyone is either contracting or working service jobs at Wally World or McD's.

Where have you've been??? :confused:

I dont think a single person on this forum is working at either of those places.

Possibly none here in P&N but there are plenty in OT that work at both.
 

Train

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Originally posted by: tss4
Originally posted by: Train
PHD's dont mean sh:t anways. ESPECIALLY in the tech sector. I usually sit in on interviews (we are hiring 2 new programmers and graphics developer right now) and if someone comes in with degrees and certifications up the ass, we will take a HS diploma with a few years on the job expirience over them in a heart beat.

Well, that depends on the job. For general programming, sure a PhD is waste of time for you to hire. For R&D of new protocol stacks, network architecture, graphical compression algorithms,
Thats funny, me and my project leader have yet to finish our undergrad but we are working on just that, graphical compression algorithms. our prototype has already caused 3 of the Fortune 500 to finance the rest of our development
etc. a PhD can be worth his/her weight in gold.
in a relatively small percentage of jobs. so a month looking is nothing, for a skillset that can only be used in a small amount of companies, you should expect a LONG time searching for a job.
So your PhD don't mean sh:t comment is over the top and kind of makes you sound a little less intelligent.
if you say so, but hey,this "unintelligent" programmer got the kind of job your looking for didnt he?
Perhaps, you just don't need a PhD for the positions you hire for.
No, we need intelligence, which a phd does not prove. If you think a peice of paper guarantees you a good job, you need a dose of reality.
 

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Originally posted by: Train
, we need intelligence, which a phd does not prove.
How many unintelligent individuals do you know that have a Doctorate? All the ones I know are pretty sharp
 

Train

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
How many unintelligent individuals do you know that have a Doctorate? All the ones I know are pretty sharp
I'm sure they are, but if they have no real work expirience, they are still a a higher risk compared to someone who has done the same type of work before.