Understanding the current societal situation of the Israelites

[norseamd]

Some research reveals the huge hate and fanaticism that infests Israeli society. Liberal and moderate Israelis are attacked and oppressed with some of the same vigor that Fundamentalist Israelis have against the Palestinians.

http://www.vice.com/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511

http://www.vice.com/read/when-genocide-is-permissible-the-unsettling-op-ed-that-never-was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMI4gbSOSVI



And this discussion can take some logical oversight from the Greek heathens.

Thankyou.

 

[Greenman]

You should be dating sandeagle.

 

[D-Man]

You should be dating sandeagle.

Where is Moonbeam when you need him?

 

[Moonbeam]

Where is Moonbeam when you need him?

What did you want me to say, that we become what we fear, that we are what we hate, that identification as any kind of nationalists is death for the true self?

 

[LegendKiller]

Some research reveals the huge hate and fanaticism that infests Israeli society. Liberal and moderate Israelis are attacked and oppressed with some of the same vigor that Fundamentalist Israelis have against the Palestinians.

http://www.vice.com/read/israeli-racism-gaza-kleinfeld-511

http://www.vice.com/read/when-genocide-is-permissible-the-unsettling-op-ed-that-never-was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMI4gbSOSVI



And this discussion can take some logical oversight from the Greek heathens.

Thankyou.

Trying to find evidence that moderate Israelis are being attacked and oppressed.

Nice trying to hide behind some veneer of respectability by posting logical fallacies. As if that can shield you from the rabid anti-Jew behavior you guys have.

 

[norseamd]

Trying to find evidence that moderate Israelis are being attacked and oppressed. Nice trying to hide behind some veneer of respectability by posting logical fallacies. As if that can shield you from the rabid anti-Jew behavior you guys have.

You obviously did not read the article you moronic imbecile.

 

[Moonbeam]

You obviously did not read the article you moronic imbecile.

Did you notice that ad hominem attacks is on the list of illogical reactions you inveighed against?

 

[JEDIYoda]

You obviously did not read the article you moronic imbecile.

The God of the Jewish people still loves you!!

 

[Oric]

Ex Israel solider speaks out

http://www.popularresistance.org/ex-israeli-soldier-speaks-shocking-truth-about-israel/

 

[Abwx]

The God of the Jewish people still loves you!!

The god of the jewish people loves to be offered the blood of innocents by the hand of the most despicable beasts one could imagine....

 

[Borealis7]

The god of the jewish people loves to be offered the blood of innocents by the hand of the most despicable beasts one could imagine....

you fell for the oldest trick in the (face)book.
take someone's picture, create a fake profile and post it with some hateful words.

his name is "David Ovadia", not "Davidd Ovadia". why would he spell his name wrong?

keep trying though, it's cute to see you fail each time.

 

[irishScott]

I'm not all that shocked. I actually read a decent New York Times comment that put the situation nicely.

Imagine the US is in Israel's place, hated by most of the world, formerly invaded by and still threatened by its neighbors. Now imagine Cuba got its hands on some rockets and started lobbing them into the southern states, and received massive amounts of worldwide sympathy while doing so. Would the US stand for that? Do you see the US forming healthy international relationships under such circumstances? No way in hell, we'd blast Cuba back into the stone age and be proud of it.

And honesty if you're going to be racist towards anyone, the Arabs practically invite it. Things might improve after a few more Arab springs if the moderates can somehow retain control, but for right now every Arab nation is essentially a medieval society with imported modern technology. Without western oil $$$ they'd still be little more than packs of brutal desert nomads on camel-back.

 

[Hmoosa101]

I'll be honest. I can understand Israel's anger. For several years they have been fighting with Palestine over Gaza. But the Arabs living in Gaza hate Israel. Therefore conflict is definite. There have been missiles firing in both directions and no-one seems to want to take a huge step. Powerful countries like America and the UK resort to "peaceful protesting" to deal with a 50+ year conflict. And when the fighting reaches record high, they still take a back seat.
They have to understand that it is not just a war between two armies. It is a conflict where the innocent are being killed. I know that especially in the UK, major news broadcaster BBC have been turning a blind eye to the conflict by not broadcasting any news on the topic. Innocent women children, heck even men are dying. But we chose to ignore it. I think that people don't learn from the past. I don't think that anybody has a clear view as to why this is even happening. The Israelis, Palestinians or any other country.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/yochanan-genocide-permissible.html

 

[nageov3t]

OT, but do you have that picture on speed dial? I feel l'm about ready to create an adblock rule to mark it as spam at this point.

 

[irishScott]

I'll be honest. I can understand Israel's anger. For several years they have been fighting with Palestine over Gaza. But the Arabs living in Gaza hate Israel. Therefore conflict is definite. There have been missiles firing in both directions and no-one seems to want to take a huge step. Powerful countries like America and the UK resort to "peaceful protesting" to deal with a 50+ year conflict. And when the fighting reaches record high, they still take a back seat.
They have to understand that it is not just a war between two armies. It is a conflict where the innocent are being killed. I know that especially in the UK, major news broadcaster BBC have been turning a blind eye to the conflict by not broadcasting any news on the topic. Innocent women children, heck even men are dying. But we chose to ignore it. I think that people don't learn from the past. I don't think that anybody has a clear view as to why this is even happening. The Israelis, Palestinians or any other country.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/yochanan-genocide-permissible.html

Meh, it's rather simple to me. People don't care about people on the other side of the world. Much of sub-Saharan Africa makes Israel/Palestine look like a picnic, flat-out genocides have gone on for years without a single meaningful action from the international community.

At the end of the day, such things are simply not our problem. The world screams, because screaming about something is easy. Ask for volunteers among western Palestinian sympathizers to buy a rifle, sneak into Palestine with some other foreign fighters and guard a Palestinian family from "Israeli aggression". You will get no volunteers. Ask them to vote for their elected leaders based on the Israel/Palestine issue, you will get no volunteers outside of the Jewish lobbies. Oh sure we'll send aid workers, humanitarian aid, etc, but asking people to lay down their lives for those beliefs they scream so loudly about? Forget it.

I don't find this all that reprehensible though. Humans have been violently dying for stupid reasons since we evolved fists, and historically speaking we're living in an unprecedented age of peace, we're just more aware of the scale of our own violence than we've ever been.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Yes - the poor Israelis,.. taking over land that does not belong to them - while suffering international outcry. How will they ever get over such back lash??



They aren't losing anything more than what is expected. Their solider's deaths and rocket bombardment is the price to pay for what they are doing.

 

[LegendKiller]

Yes - the poor Israelis,.. taking over land that does not belong to them - while suffering international outcry. How will they ever get over such back lash??



They aren't losing anything more than what is expected. Their solider's deaths and rocket bombardment is the price to pay for what they are doing.

Doesn't belong to them? Such a ridiculous concept, does any land "belong" to somebody past modern laws? Were they not kicked out of country after country, shunned and despised, killed, and reviled?

Let them have their little slice. From their neighbor's reaction it's obvious the Palestinians aren't wanted - why?

 

[D-Man]

What did you want me to say, that we become what we fear, that we are what we hate, that identification as any kind of nationalists is death for the true self?

Summed up very nicely thank you

 

[Newell Steamer]

Let them have their little slice.

Oh, they are having a lot more than their little slice - they get billions from the US as well.

 

[norseamd]

Did you notice that ad hominem attacks is on the list of illogical reactions you inveighed against?

Ah that is why I brought that infograph to this discussion so that we can identify the particular logical fallacies that individual posts are using in this discussion.

Thankyou.

 

[norseamd]

Doesn't belong to them? Such a ridiculous concept, does any land "belong" to somebody past modern laws? Were they not kicked out of country after country, shunned and despised, killed, and reviled? Let them have their little slice. From their neighbor's reaction it's obvious the Palestinians aren't wanted - why?

They were shunned, oppressed, vilified, hated, and even suffering genocide in Christian countries. But they were tolerated and even accepted in Islamic Emirates and Caliphates. Did you not actually know about that convenient world history fact?

 

[Adia]

Some research reveals the huge hate and fanaticism that infests Israeli society. Liberal and moderate Israelis are attacked and oppressed with some of the same vigor that Fundamentalist Israelis have against the Palestinians.

The image of reality in Israel you'r trying to paint is inaccurate.
Liberal, moderate and left-winged israelis actually speaks out quiet a much here, especially in this days of war.
There are many left-winged protests, gathering hundreds to thousands of israelis, calling against the war.
They show up a lot on TV shows and newspapers.
There are, unfortunatley, occasions when extreme right-wing people try to oppress them, but it ends up with arrests and condemnations by almost every politician and media body.
Here's one from the begining of the operation.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4537790,00.html

On the other side, do you see any Palestinian protests against war or for peace?
No you don't, but I dont blame the Palestinian people, do you know why?
Because Hamas kills whoever protests against it.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...ed-20-Palestinian-Anti-War-Protestors-in-Gaza

 

[Adia]

They were shunned, oppressed, vilified, hated, and even suffering genocide in Christian countries. But they were tolerated and even accepted in Islamic Emirates and Caliphates. Did you not actually know about that convenient world history fact?

That is true, but, in every islamic state that the radical islam came to rule, the situation was changed.
Did you know that until 1979 Israel and Iran had quiet close relationship? even my favorite soccer team, Hapoel Tel-Aviv, won the Asia Champions Cup in 1967, playing the final game in Tehran.
in 1979 the radicals made revolution and took control of Iran, and disconnected all relationship with Israel.

 

[norseamd]

The image of reality in Israel you'r trying to paint is inaccurate. Liberal, moderate and left-winged israelis actually speaks out quiet a much here, especially in this days of war. There are many left-winged protests, gathering hundreds to thousands of israelis, calling against the war. They show up a lot on TV shows and newspapers. There are, unfortunatley, occasions when extreme right-wing people try to oppress them, but it ends up with arrests and condemnations by almost every politician and media body. Here's one from the begining of the operation. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...537790,00.html On the other side, do you see any Palestinian protests against war or for peace? No you don't, but I dont blame the Palestinian people, do you know why? Because Hamas kills whoever protests against it. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...estors-in-Gaza

Well thankyou.

And if you have more links we would very much appreciate them!