Under cover cam presenting a visit to Canadas hospital

[Specop 007]

Is it impartial and unbiased? Probably not entirely. Is it completely accurate? Most likely not. But it does show some of the weaknesses of "free" (Taxpayer funded) healthcare.

Frankly, I'm ok with my private healthcare knowing I can walk in and be in and out for about anything outside of surgery or monitoring in 2 hours.

The fact is "universal" healthcare is healthcare of the lowest common denominator. Sure everyone has it, but the overall quality is lower.

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[Craig234]

Amazing the things you find when there's a many-million propaganda campaign by the insurance industry to protects its billions by creating fear.

 

[spidey07]

LOL! I've got a few Candian Citizens working with me. They constantly telling me "WTF are you guys doing! You don't want this! I came to this country to avoid this shit! WTF are you doing!"

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Is it impartial and unbiased? Probably not entirely. Is it completely accurate? Most likely not. But it does show some of the weaknesses of "free" (Taxpayer funded) healthcare.

Frankly, I'm ok with my private healthcare knowing I can walk in and be in and out for about anything outside of surgery or monitoring in 2 hours.

The fact is "universal" healthcare is healthcare of the lowest common denominator. Sure everyone has it, but the overall quality is lower.

Click

Frankly you are OK with private health care because you have it and don't really care that others don't even have the lower quality care.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL! I've got a few Candian Citizens working with me. They constantly telling me "WTF are you guys doing! You don't want this! I came to this country to avoid this shit! WTF are you doing!"

There are your anecdotes - and you can't please everyone - and there are the polls much more accurately showing the opinion of Canadians and others with UHC.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL! I've got a few Candian Citizens working with me. They constantly telling me "WTF are you guys doing! You don't want this! I came to this country to avoid this shit! WTF are you doing!"

There are your anecdotes - and you can't please everyone - and there are the polls much more accurately showing the opinion of Canadians and others with UHC.

Because they haven't experienced our great health care. The utter shit they put up with is what they consider "normal". Why the fuck does the rest of the world come here for our healthcare? When I work with people from all over the world one of the main reasons they came here is for our healthcare and opportunity.

But that fucking Bastard Barrack is trying to kill both of them. When foreigners tell me what we all know is true, well, it's more confirmation. Travel the world some, deal with other cultures and personally speak with people that have to deal with this nonsense.

The video posted is absolute proof of how wrong it is.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL! I've got a few Candian Citizens working with me. They constantly telling me "WTF are you guys doing! You don't want this! I came to this country to avoid this shit! WTF are you doing!"

There are your anecdotes - and you can't please everyone - and there are the polls much more accurately showing the opinion of Canadians and others with UHC.

And you fail. This is Canadians view of Canadian healthcare. 1 in 5 think wait time is the biggest problem with healthcare. 1 in 5!! Less then half of the Canadians think healthcare will improve!

Canadians view of Canadian healthcare

Quality of Health Care in Canada
What is the most important health care issue facing Canada today? (open-ended)
public:
Wait times, 2007: 20%
Wait times, 1998: 4%
Physician shortage/going to US, 2007: 19%
Physician shortage/going to US, 1998: 3%
Aging population, 2007: 8%
Aging population, 1998: 5%
Lack of funding/govt. cutbacks, 2007: 2%
Lack of funding/govt. cutbacks, 1998: 18%

Over the next five years, do you believe that Canadians? access to timely, quality health
care services will significantly improve, improve somewhat, worsen somewhat or
significantly worsen?
who says significantly improve or improve somewhat:
Public: 48% (7% significantly)
Doctors: 37% (3% significantly)
Pharmacists: 46% (1% significantly)
Nurses: 33% (4% significantly)
Managers: 69% (7% significantly)

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Specop 007
Is it impartial and unbiased? Probably not entirely. Is it completely accurate? Most likely not. But it does show some of the weaknesses of "free" (Taxpayer funded) healthcare.

Frankly, I'm ok with my private healthcare knowing I can walk in and be in and out for about anything outside of surgery or monitoring in 2 hours.

The fact is "universal" healthcare is healthcare of the lowest common denominator. Sure everyone has it, but the overall quality is lower.

Click

Frankly you are OK with private health care because you have it and don't really care that others don't even have the lower quality care.

Funny thing is, most anyone with a JOB can afford healthcare as long as you prioritize it correctly. But to most cable TV, a nice car and beer and smokes seem more important then health insurance.

 

[senseamp]

So how come Canadians don't switch their system to US style medicine if it's so great?

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Amazing the things you find when there's a many-million propaganda campaign by the insurance industry to protects its billions by creating fear.

When I visited Canada (Toronto) last year, my cousin had a cold around December on a weekend. He was adament about not wanting to go to the hospital (since the clinics are closed) because of the long wait.

Nobody is saying that the US system doesn't need some reform. But I have a feeling that Obamessiahcare will fail just because the Federal government can't really do anything right.

 

[Ryan711]

I'd imagine the same reason we don't axe social security. Too many people already depend on it to get rid of it.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: senseamp
So how come Canadians don't switch their system to US style medicine if it's so great?

Because once enslaved by the gubment with no other recourse (citizens) why would gubment give up that control?

 

[jpetermann]

Originally posted by: senseamp
So how come Canadians don't switch their system to US style medicine if it's so great?

Because once the Government gets control of something, you never get it back...

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: pastorjay

Originally posted by: senseamp
So how come Canadians don't switch their system to US style medicine if it's so great?

Because once the Government gets control of something, you never get it back...

Why not? They can vote the government out and vote in one that wants to do away with universal health care. But for some reason, they don't...

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: pastorjay

Originally posted by: senseamp
So how come Canadians don't switch their system to US style medicine if it's so great?

Because once the Government gets control of something, you never get it back...

Why not? They can vote the government out and vote in one that wants to do away with universal health care. But for some reason, they don't...

When you give a pet food, water, shelter and an exercise wheel it never leaves. It doesn't know any better. It is taken care of by it's master.

 

[First]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Frankly, I'm ok with my private healthcare knowing I can walk in and be in and out for about anything outside of surgery or monitoring in 2 hours.

In what farking universe? lmao. I had to wait 3 hours just to get in a room, and another hour to get morphine for an appendicitis in one of the best hospitals in the country, St. Johns here in Santa Monica. And my appendix nearly burst.

The fact is "universal" healthcare is healthcare of the lowest common denominator. Sure everyone has it, but the overall quality is lower.

Click

Might be lower, but you're covering 50M people who don't have it. The biggest reason healthcare quality is so good in the U.S. is partially because not everyone is covered. People who are OK with the immorality of getting covered at the expense of 50M people because their healthcare might be of lower overall quality with everyone covered, well, it speaks for itself. Not a proponent of UHC either, necessarily, but this nonsense about private healthcare has been debunked so many times it's pretty obvious we're already socializing the costs right now with private care, we're just doing it about as inefficiently as imaginable.

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: pastorjay

Originally posted by: senseamp
So how come Canadians don't switch their system to US style medicine if it's so great?

Because once the Government gets control of something, you never get it back...

Why not? They can vote the government out and vote in one that wants to do away with universal health care. But for some reason, they don't...

When you give a pet food, water, shelter and an exercise wheel it never leaves. It doesn't know any better. It is taken care of by it's master.

Really, they don't know any better? We are told Canadians go to US for treatment all the time, so they can compare the two systems first hand. Yet for whatever reason they don't want to adopt our system at home?
It is taken care of by the master, the master being the voter.

 

[Slew Foot]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Frankly, I'm ok with my private healthcare knowing I can walk in and be in and out for about anything outside of surgery or monitoring in 2 hours.

In what farking universe? lmao. I had to wait 3 hours just to get in a room, and another hour to get morphine for an appendicitis in one of the best hospitals in the country, St. Johns here in Santa Monica. And my appendix nearly burst.

My 2 week old went from the primary care clinic, to the NICU, to having an EEG, and a cardiology visit, in about 2 hours on a friday afternoon. Net bill to me, $0.

I love my private insurance

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Evan

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Frankly, I'm ok with my private healthcare knowing I can walk in and be in and out for about anything outside of surgery or monitoring in 2 hours.

In what farking universe? lmao. I had to wait 3 hours just to get in a room, and another hour to get morphine for an appendicitis in one of the best hospitals in the country, St. Johns here in Santa Monica. And my appendix nearly burst.

What part of surgery didn't you understand?

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: Craig234
Amazing the things you find when there's a many-million propaganda campaign by the insurance industry to protects its billions by creating fear.

When I visited Canada (Toronto) last year, my cousin had a cold around December on a weekend. He was adament about not wanting to go to the hospital (since the clinics are closed) because of the long wait.

Nobody is saying that the US system doesn't need some reform. But I have a feeling that Obamessiahcare will fail just because the Federal government can't really do anything right.

WTF is he going to the doctor for a cold?

A large part of the wait time problem is standing in line behind dipshits who go to the hospital for colds, scrapes, and bruises.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: pastorjay

Originally posted by: senseamp
So how come Canadians don't switch their system to US style medicine if it's so great?

Because once the Government gets control of something, you never get it back...

Why not? They can vote the government out and vote in one that wants to do away with universal health care. But for some reason, they don't...

Vote away free money? Dont be ridiculous. You know damn good and well why it isnt voted away.

Its nothing more then buying votes, plain and simple.

 

[StageLeft]

The fact is "universal" healthcare is healthcare of the lowest common denominator. Sure everyone has it, but the overall quality is lower.

As I've said from the get-go.

Amazing the things you find when there's a many-million propaganda campaign by the insurance industry to protects its billions by creating fear.

Amazing things you find when the availability heuristic has so poisoned people's sense of the numbers that they think it almost inevitable they'll end up with some major medical event to nullify all the wealth they've accumulated over their life.

LOL! I've got a few Candian Citizens working with me. They constantly telling me "WTF are you guys doing! You don't want this! I came to this country to avoid this shit! WTF are you doing!"

That's what I tell them, too. Apparently a lot of Americans know better, though. Granted, many Canadians think the system there is better, but then they are quite well indoctrinated, too, and it's the smart ones who left

So how come Canadians don't switch their system to US style medicine if it's so great?

Many have tried, but there's just that little issue about the fact it's been made illegal to do so, so the best Canada has is half-assed clinics. I suppose I should ask: If Canada's system is so great, why have they made it literally illegal to have substantial private competition with the government issued healthcare? That is a fvcking downright discrace if I've ever heard one. Talk about oppressive rubbish.

Really, they don't know any better?

Really, they don't. They are just like most other people, inundated with biased media at every turn and unable to think clearly, and this goes for people on both sides. Although everybody in the US knows the basics of the healthcare system here, Canadians I talk to are completely ignorant of it, so they are clearly misinformed on a grand scale, just like Americans are.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: spidey07
LOL! I've got a few Candian Citizens working with me. They constantly telling me "WTF are you guys doing! You don't want this! I came to this country to avoid this shit! WTF are you doing!"

There are your anecdotes - and you can't please everyone - and there are the polls much more accurately showing the opinion of Canadians and others with UHC.

And you fail. This is Canadians view of Canadian healthcare. 1 in 5 think wait time is the biggest problem with healthcare. 1 in 5!! Less then half of the Canadians think healthcare will improve!

Canadians view of Canadian healthcare

Quality of Health Care in Canada
What is the most important health care issue facing Canada today? (open-ended)
public:
Wait times, 2007: 20%
Wait times, 1998: 4%
Physician shortage/going to US, 2007: 19%
Physician shortage/going to US, 1998: 3%
Aging population, 2007: 8%
Aging population, 1998: 5%
Lack of funding/govt. cutbacks, 2007: 2%
Lack of funding/govt. cutbacks, 1998: 18%

Over the next five years, do you believe that Canadians? access to timely, quality health
care services will significantly improve, improve somewhat, worsen somewhat or
significantly worsen?
who says significantly improve or improve somewhat:
Public: 48% (7% significantly)
Doctors: 37% (3% significantly)
Pharmacists: 46% (1% significantly)
Nurses: 33% (4% significantly)
Managers: 69% (7% significantly)

When you ask a question, "what is the biggest problem", guess what, you are going to get a 'problem' as an answer.

It didn't ask anything that you infer without justification from the poll about their views of the system.

I have US private healthcare and *I* think the biggest problems in what I see is probably the wait times, too. So, I guess they totally suck then, right? Or maybe not, for both.

I don't expect US healthcare to get better in the next five years (but hopefully more universally available), either. So there you go. Your post was nonsense.

In fact, the fact that 4 in 5 Canadians don't think the major issue with the system is waiting is the wait time, is surprising for how few feel that way. I wonder what a US poll would say.

There are only so many things on the list to get answered - quality of care, timeliness of care, cost of care, availability of care.

No big surprise, probably, if those last two get to the top of the list more often for Americans, and not for Canadians.

 

[her209]

Does Canada have a primary physician care or does everyone get treated at clinics/hospitals?

 

[senseamp]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: pastorjay

Originally posted by: senseamp
So how come Canadians don't switch their system to US style medicine if it's so great?

Because once the Government gets control of something, you never get it back...

Why not? They can vote the government out and vote in one that wants to do away with universal health care. But for some reason, they don't...

Vote away free money? Dont be ridiculous. You know damn good and well why it isnt voted away.

Its nothing more then buying votes, plain and simple.

Well, if a politician offered them a tax cut in exchange for dropping universal health care, surely he'd be wildly successful?
I mean who wouldn't want a tax cut in exchange for getting rid of a "flawed" system?