Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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blankslate

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Spidey can you provide link to this info? Police Chief Lee and the investigators have stated they have nothing to refute Mr Zimmerman's claim, some of the testimony/evidence backs up some of his claim, and the prosecutor said they don't have evidence to determine probable cause to charge him with manslaughter.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/19/us/911-tapes-released-in-killing-of-florida-teenager.html

Sergeant Morgenstern said that Mr. Zimmerman was in contact with the police and was cooperating with the investigation.

There's one link that says Mr. Zimmerman is co-operating. Haven't seen anything that says whether or not he has a lawyer.
 

spidey07

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Spidey can you provide link to this info? Police Chief Lee and the investigators have stated they have nothing to refute Mr Zimmerman's claim, some of the testimony/evidence backs up some of his claim, and the prosecutor said they don't have evidence to determine probable cause to charge him with manslaughter.

It was in the police press conference (linked earlier in this thread). I've googled some but finding hard evidence about this emotionally charged incident is proving to be difficult. I see the same drivel over and over again from the media "he chased him down and killed him for skittles as he was running away!". Can't even find a transcript of it.

OK - where is the evidence that happened?

If somebody can give me some evidence this wasn't self defense I'll change my tune. Until then - innocent until proven guilty.
 

ch33zw1z

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It was in the police press conference (linked earlier in this thread). I've googled some but finding hard evidence about this emotionally charged incident is proving to be difficult. I see the same drivel over and over again from the media "he chased him down and killed him for skittles as he was running away!". Can't even find a transcript of it.

OK - where is the evidence that happened?

If somebody can give me some evidence this wasn't self defense I'll change my tune. Until then - innocent until proven guilty.

Wish Zimmerman had learned this in the CJ material. Guess he was cleaning his gun instead.
 

CitizenKain

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It was in the police press conference (linked earlier in this thread). I've googled some but finding hard evidence about this emotionally charged incident is proving to be difficult. I see the same drivel over and over again from the media "he chased him down and killed him for skittles as he was running away!". Can't even find a transcript of it.

OK - where is the evidence that happened?

If somebody can give me some evidence this wasn't self defense I'll change my tune. Until then - innocent until proven guilty.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/031612-911-calls-released-in-Sanford-shooting
 
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I don't think there is any question Mr. Zimmerman chased Mr. Martin. His own 911 call makes that clear and I can see no other explanation for the fact that the killing occurred some distance from the road.

Again, spidey has fabricated a set of facts with no basis whatsoever, and even falsely claimed that the police substantiated it when they did no such thing. Makes his bias exceedingly clear.

So spidey, you staying with the "ghetto stomp" as the likeliest explanation here?
 

spidey07

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I don't think there is any question Mr. Zimmerman chased Mr. Martin. His own 911 call makes that clear and I can see no other explanation for the fact that the killing occurred some distance from the road.

Again, spidey has fabricated a set of facts with no basis whatsoever, and even falsely claimed that the police substantiated it when they did no such thing. Makes his bias exceedingly clear.

So spidey, you staying with the "ghetto stomp" as the likeliest explanation here?

Wounds to the front and back of head would be consistent with the ghetto stomp.

If you have evidence that this was not self defense I suggest you contact that police department, they want it. I look forward to this investigation being wrapped up and evidence being made public. That should shut up all the people trying to hang a hispanic male.
 

Capt Caveman

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Wounds to the front and back of head would be consistent with the ghetto stomp.

If you have evidence that this was not self defense I suggest you contact that police department, they want it.

If someone in a car was following me and after I started running, he got out of his vehicle to continue to follow me. I'm in self-defense mode. He's not a cop nor has he identified himself.

If this was you, I'm sure you would have shot and killed Zimmerman, claiming that he was a threat and that it was in self-defense. Unfortunately, the kid didn't have a gun, just a pack of skittles, can of ice tea and a mp3 player.
 

blankslate

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Wounds to the front and back of head would be consistent with the ghetto stomp.

Just because you someone has a bloody nose and an injury on the back of their head that doesn't mean that they didn't provoke the fight at all. He definitely left his vehicle to look for Trayvon Martin after the kid ran. The kid took off that's what Mr. Zimmerman said.
 
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Wounds to the front and back of head would be consistent with the ghetto stomp.

If you have evidence that this was not self defense I suggest you contact that police department, they want it.

Ah, so the ghetto stomp strikes again! I take it you're sticking with that because Mr. Martin was African American? I knew an astute legal mind like yours wouldn't overlook such a critical detail . . .

I never said this was not self-defense within the meaning of the FL law. That remains to be seen. You, on the other hand, fabricated a detailed description of what occurred, out of thin air. An earlier version of it included the assertion that Mr. Zimmerman didn't know Mr. Martin's race when he approached him - that was categorically false.

Again, does it concern you that you are so certain of things like this, without evidence? You were absolutely certain Rick Perry would be our next President a few months ago - how does that prediction look now?
 

AznAnarchy99

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If someone in a car was following me and after I started running, he got out of his vehicle to continue to follow me. I'm in self-defense mode. He's not a cop nor has he identified himself.

If this was you, I'm sure you would have shot and killed Zimmerman, claiming that he was a threat and that it was in self-defense. Unfortunately, the kid didn't have a gun, just a pack of skittles, can of ice tea and a mp3 player.

Just listened to the 911 recording..

Like I said before in my previous post, if some random person was following me in a car, I'd start running the fuck away as well. Then if he got out of his car then I'd be ready to defend myself as well. This guy thought the kid was guilty before anything already. Black guy in a black hoodie, "these guys always get away".
 

Capt Caveman

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Just listened to the 911 recording..

Like I said before in my previous post, if some random person was following me in a car, I'd start running the fuck away as well. Then if he got out of his car then I'd be ready to defend myself as well. This guy thought the kid was guilty before anything already. Black guy in a black hoodie, "these guys always get away".

If I was the kid, with all of the crime that Alky has stated is going on in the area, this ghetto thug following me probably wants to jack my ipod.
 

spidey07

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Just because you someone has a bloody nose and an injury on the back of their head that doesn't mean that they didn't provoke the fight at all. He definitely left his vehicle to look for Trayvon Martin after the kid ran. The kid took off that's what Mr. Zimmerman said.

And what happened after that has not been released, but zimmerman says Martin was the aggresor (backed up by evidence) and there is no evidence to dispute this.

From the calls I heard zimmerman get out of his car to keep an eye on the suspicious person.

zimmerman is not going to be charged with a crime, this was self defense. The claims of a "warning shot" by the family and others from the tapes would give probably cause a crime was committed (you don't do warning shots, that's the movies).

I await more evidence from the mob that a crime was committed. So far you have nothing.
 

blankslate

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So far you have nothing.

You're stating without a doubt that Trayvon Martin instigated the fight. So far you have no evidence of that either.

Even with the marks on Mr. Zimmerman it's unclear other than what he says... as you said he's the only eyewitness alive.

Mr. Zimmerman might have instigated the fight then maybe was out of shape enough be overpowered by a frightened kid who had adrenalin from fear.
 
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Wounds to the front and back of head would be consistent with the ghetto stomp.

If you have evidence that this was not self defense I suggest you contact that police department, they want it. I look forward to this investigation being wrapped up and evidence being made public. That should shut up all the people trying to hang a hispanic male.

a 140 pound 17 year old "ghetto-stomped" a 250 pound man?

Fuck you, you piece of shit racist.
 
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You're stating without a doubt that Trayvon Martin instigated the fight. So far you have no evidence of that either.

We don't have any evidence that Zimmerman took the first aggressive actions either.

For all we know, this is what might have happened.

1. Zimmerman calls 911, sees Trayvon running, follows him.

2. Zimmerman hangs up 911.

3. Trayvon runs into Zimmerman and punches him.

It's plausible.
 

blankslate

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We don't have any evidence that Zimmerman took the first aggressive actions either.

For all we know, this is what might have happened.

1. Zimmerman calls 911, sees Trayvon running, follows him.

2. Zimmerman hangs up 911.

3. Trayvon runs into Zimmerman and punches him.

It's plausible.

That's as plausible as 1. 2. being the same.

Then Trayvon Martin and Mr. Zimmerman run into each other again and Trayvon Martin tries to get away again and Mr. Zimmerman tries to stop him by grabbing him and then Trayvon swings.
 

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We don't have any evidence that Zimmerman took the first aggressive actions either.

For all we know, this is what might have happened.

1. Zimmerman calls 911, sees Trayvon running, follows him.

2. Zimmerman hangs up 911.

3. Trayvon runs into Zimmerman and punches him.

It's plausible.

We know that didn't happen. We know for a fact that Zimmerman returned to his vehicle and drove till he found him again. A newscast tracked where Zimmerman first made the call to where Martin was shot. It was a way over on the other side of the development.
 

Capt Caveman

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We don't have any evidence that Zimmerman took the first aggressive actions either.

For all we know, this is what might have happened.

1. Zimmerman calls 911, sees Trayvon running, follows him.

2. Zimmerman hangs up 911.

3. Trayvon runs into Zimmerman and punches him.

It's plausible.

If someone is following me in the dark in a crime infested area, I consider them a threat. Self-defense by Trayvon.
 

DCal430

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What the f*ck is this Ghetto Stomp. Sounds like something a racist made up to disparage blacks. Really WTF.