Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Stop saying "chased". This is the consistent story folks have in their head that is NOT supported by evidence. Media is just fueling your confirmation bias.

Zimmerman was trying to keep an eye on him, then Martin came up and said "what's your problem" and then viciously attacked him like when Zimmerman asked who he was visiting or where he lived or whatever WORDS were exchanged. Martin felt he was disrespected and a vicious beatdown was his choice to that disrespect. The kid broke the law when he performed felony assault placing zimmerman in fear of his life.

Martin's choice to visciously attack another lead to him getting shot. Police, evidence, testimony state Martin was the aggressor.

Until folks have something else (and if you do, contact that police department, they want your evidence), those are the current facts.


Not only are you speculating about these "facts," they are not even based on second- or third-hand accounts. You have simply fabricated them.
 

Capt Caveman

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Stop saying "chased". This is the consistent story folks have in their head that is NOT supported by evidence. Media is just fueling your confirmation bias.

Zimmerman was trying to keep an eye on him, then Martin came up and said "what's your problem" and then viciously attacked him like when Zimmerman asked who he was visiting or where he lived or whatever WORDS were exchanged. Martin felt he was disrespected and a vicious beatdown was his choice to that disrespect. The kid broke the law when he performed felony assault placing zimmerman in fear of his life.

Martin's choice to visciously attack another lead to him getting shot. Police, evidence, testimony state Martin was the aggressor.

Until folks have something else (and if you do, contact that police department, they want your evidence), those are the current facts.

Zimmerman's 911 call completely contradicts this. Nice to see you ignoring the 911 calls.
 

spidey07

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Not only are you speculating about these "facts," they are not even based on second- or third-hand accounts. You have simply fabricated them.

So the police have it all wrong then? They say evidence, testimony, etc says T was the aggressor and zimmerman's account of events is correct.
 
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So the police have it all wrong then? They say evidence, testimony, etc says T was the aggressor and zimmerman's account of events is correct.

No, they don't. They say they can't prove this was not self-defense, but they have not provided anything like the detailed account you made up.

This thread would probably be 40% smaller but for your insistence on making things up. First, the "ghetto stomp," the killing move "preferred by African Americans." Next, "there is no way Zimmerman knew Martin's race before he approached him" (which is now demonstrably false). Now, this detailed story you have pulled from thin air.

Does it concern you that you were just as certain (perhaps more so) that Rick Perry would be President as you are about this incident? Has it occurred to you that you are strong-willed but often poorly-thought-out?
 

NeoV

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Ok -at this point Spidey - it's clear you haven't even listened to the 911 call that Zimmerman made - why are you even talking about this?
 

classy

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Stop saying "chased". This is the consistent story folks have in their head that is NOT supported by evidence. Media is just fueling your confirmation bias.

Zimmerman was trying to keep an eye on him, then Martin came up and said "what's your problem" and then viciously attacked him like when Zimmerman asked who he was visiting or where he lived or whatever WORDS were exchanged. Martin felt he was disrespected and a vicious beatdown was his choice to that disrespect. The kid broke the law when he performed felony assault placing zimmerman in fear of his life.

Martin's choice to visciously attack another lead to him getting shot. Police, evidence, testimony state Martin was the aggressor.

Until folks have something else (and if you do, contact that police department, they want your evidence), those are the current facts.

You zero proof that Martin did any of those things. And based on Zimmerman's on words, he CHASED him.
 

CLite

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Zimmerman was trying to keep an eye on him, then Martin came up and said "what's your problem" and then viciously attacked him like when Zimmerman asked who he was visiting or where he lived or whatever WORDS were exchanged. Martin felt he was disrespected and a vicious beatdown was his choice to that disrespect. The kid broke the law when he performed felony assault placing zimmerman in fear of his life.

A 140 pound 17 year kid viciously beat down a 250 pound paranoid asshole stalking said kid with a 9mm?

/tap sarcasm meter, this working?
 

blankslate

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I agree the laws need to be reviewed and this case be the catalyst to get it reviewed. However at this time the must be applied as currently written.

I do understand that and I'm not angry with the police, rather concerned that there does seem to be disconnect between early statements the police have and later statements. Also that there is a possibility that the initial questioning of Mr. Zimmerman may have been improperly handled.
 

Capt Caveman

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Explain. If anything they back up zimmerman's account.

None of the 911 calls backs up Zimmerman's story. Did you listen to them?

We know that they prove that the police were lying when they said Zimmerman did not know the race of the Martin. We do know that Martin ran after noticing that he was being followed by Zimmerman. And we do know that after Martin ran, that Zimmerman continued to follow him.

And why hasn't the Police or Zimmerman provided their full account of the story?
 

classy

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Ok -at this point Spidey - it's clear you haven't even listened to the 911 call that Zimmerman made - why are you even talking about this?

He has listened to them. But now he knows he looks like a total ass and he was wrong. So now he wants to play dumb. He is such a sissy.............
 

spidey07

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None of the 911 calls backs up Zimmerman's story. Did you listen to them?

We know that they prove that the police were lying when they said Zimmerman did not know the race of the Martin. We do know that Martin ran after noticing that he was being followed by Zimmerman. And we do know that after Martin ran, that Zimmerman continued to follow him.

And why hasn't the Police or Zimmerman provided their full account of the story?

Zimmerman has met with police and is cooperating fully, WITHOUT an attorney present.

Why hasn't that been released? Investigation/DA are still working the case. At this point police say Trey was the aggressor and zimmerman's account is correct backed up by evidence and witness testimony. Why people continue to ignore facts is beyond me.
 
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Why is it you feel comfortable calling Mr. Martin "Trey"? That was not his name and you were not his friend. Nobody here is calling Mr. Zimmerman "Georgie."
 

Londo_Jowo

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I do understand that and I'm not angry with the police, rather concerned that there does seem to be disconnect between early statements the police have and later statements. Also that there is a possibility that the initial questioning of Mr. Zimmerman may have been improperly handled.

I want to see a 3rd party review of the case including all evidence and testimony/statements. I want to everything there is to know about this case.
 

classy

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Zimmerman has met with police and is cooperating fully, WITHOUT an attorney present.

Why hasn't that been released? Investigation/DA are still working the case. At this point police say Trey was the aggressor and zimmerman's account is correct backed up by evidence and witness testimony. Why people continue to ignore facts is beyond me.

Well laugh out loud, not one witness has come forward in support of what he did.
 

HomerJS

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Zimmerman has met with police and is cooperating fully, WITHOUT an attorney present.

Why hasn't that been released? Investigation/DA are still working the case. At this point police say Trey was the aggressor and zimmerman's account is correct backed up by evidence and witness testimony. Why people continue to ignore facts is beyond me.

Zimmerman with no attorney doean't mean a thing. Besides he doesn't need one with a corrupt investigation. Since the local DA makes decisions based based on what is provided by SPD we need the Federal Government to step in for any justice to be served which will happen soon.
 

Phokus

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Zimmerman has met with police and is cooperating fully, WITHOUT an attorney present.

Why hasn't that been released? Investigation/DA are still working the case. At this point police say Trey was the aggressor and zimmerman's account is correct backed up by evidence and witness testimony. Why people continue to ignore facts is beyond me.

Why would Zimmerman need an attorney when the cops are basically trying to help him sweep this under the rug, think for once you racist nitwit.
 
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Zimmerman has met with police and is cooperating fully, WITHOUT an attorney present.

Why hasn't that been released? Investigation/DA are still working the case. At this point police say Trey was the aggressor and zimmerman's account is correct backed up by evidence and witness testimony. Why people continue to ignore facts is beyond me.

Provide a cite for the "facts" you stated above.

The only statement I have seen by the police states that they lack probable cause. The statement I have seen is this:

"In this case, Mr. Zimmerman has made the statement of self-defense. Until we can establish probable cause to dispute that, we don't have the grounds to arrest him."

That is entirely different from what you have posted.
 

CitizenKain

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Zimmerman has met with police and is cooperating fully, WITHOUT an attorney present.

Why hasn't that been released? Investigation/DA are still working the case. At this point police say Trey was the aggressor and zimmerman's account is correct backed up by evidence and witness testimony. Why people continue to ignore facts is beyond me.

Its obvious you haven't listened to the 911 tapes, either because you are afraid they'll go against your preconceived notions (and they do) or you can't figure out how to make sounds play from your computer. You are a liar and a coward.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Zimmerman has met with police and is cooperating fully, WITHOUT an attorney present.

Why hasn't that been released? Investigation/DA are still working the case. At this point police say Trey was the aggressor and zimmerman's account is correct backed up by evidence and witness testimony. Why people continue to ignore facts is beyond me.

Spidey can you provide link to this info? Police Chief Lee and the investigators have stated they have nothing to refute Mr Zimmerman's claim, some of the testimony/evidence backs up some of his claim, and the prosecutor said they don't have evidence to determine probable cause to charge him with manslaughter.
 

RedString

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Stop saying "chased". This is the consistent story folks have in their head that is NOT supported by evidence. Media is just fueling your confirmation bias.

Zimmerman was trying to keep an eye on him, then Martin came up and said "what's your problem" and then viciously attacked him like when Zimmerman asked who he was visiting or where he lived or whatever WORDS were exchanged. Martin felt he was disrespected and a vicious beatdown was his choice to that disrespect. The kid broke the law when he performed felony assault placing zimmerman in fear of his life.

Martin's choice to visciously attack another lead to him getting shot. Police, evidence, testimony state Martin was the aggressor.

Until folks have something else (and if you do, contact that police department, they want your evidence), those are the current facts.

If they stop saying chased, will you stop saying things like "vicious beatdown"?

I asked before but I'll ask again - where does it say he had anything other than a bloodied nose and some blood on the back of his head (of which, they never said anything about the actual back-of-the-head wound)?

I've yet to hear a single account of Zimmermans wounds that imply he was receiving a "vicious beatdown".
 

umbrella39

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Fingers in their ears syndrome still for a couple of holdouts who pretend that even after hearing Z's call that Z didn't exit his car and chase after him when you can clearly hear him following him on foot now and breathing heavy... he even confirms this when the dispatcher asks him. Time to move the goalposts again to say he clearly must be innocent since he wasn't charged...