Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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alkemyst

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I have a solution.

Some people here have callousily stated Treyvon can't claim self defense because he is dead. There is circumstantial evidence Z's self defense claim is bogus and T deserves the claim.

Why not waterboard Zimmerman? There are enough people who have already claimed waterboarding is not torture so it doesn't violate his constitutional rights. We've been told enhanced interrogation is an effective method of intelligence gathering. Zimmerman is a big pussy. If he's lying it will come out.

A little tongue in cheek but maybe not.

OMG you figured it out. Zimmerman was a big pussy, Martin wanted to fuck. All the kids are screwing their teachers today.

seriously, you are not helping the kid at all.
 

alkemyst

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where the hell is HomerJS getting his stories? I live in S. Florida and this is on the news regularly...I hear nothing like his claims.
 

Londo_Jowo

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where the hell is HomerJS getting his stories? I live in S. Florida and this is on the news regularly...I hear nothing like his claims.

It's coming from the family's lawyer.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...ness-intimidation-police-job-press-conference

Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Travon's family, said this morning that he may file a complaint against Sanford police for witness intimidation, tampering and obstruction of justice.
"If the Sanford Police Department continues to engage in this unsavory fashion, we will assist with filing an official complaint with the Department of Justice for witness tampering, witness intimidation and obstruction of justice," Crump said.

Crump asserted that the police have taken shooter George Zimmerman's side in the investigation, only releasing information that would be beneficial to Zimmerman and attempting to discredit witnesses who have come forward in Trayvon's defense.

"The police job is to obtain all statements whether they like them or not," Crump said. "Police cannot interfere with an ongoing investigation, to deter future witnesses from coming forward."

Mary Cutcher, who lives in a townhome near where Trayvon was shot, said she heard what sounded like a child crying and then a gunshot. When Cutcher went outside, she said she saw Zimmerman crouched over the boy's body. Trayvon, who was shot once in the chest, was face down, Cutcher said.

"I thought it was common sense that [Zimmerman] would be arrested," Cutcher said. "This was not self-defense."

Cutcher, a single mother who works full-time and goes to school, said her child was outside playing in that same area just before the shooting.
"If this were my child and a neighbor knew or saw or could help in any, I hope they would step forward," Cutcher said. "That is the only reason I did."
 

WelshBloke

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this is beyond ridiculous at this point

Alky keeps pointing out that the kid 'was pretending to pull a gun out' - which is a bunch of bullshit - he was walking, with at least 3 things that could have been in his pocket - skittles, a drink, and some sort of music player - also, it's quite possible he had baggy pants on, and was simply holding them up.

There is nothing that says he was pretending to have a gun in his possession - nothing - all Zimmerman said is that there is something in his waistband.

If Zimmerman really thought this kid had gun - would he have done nothing when mentioning it to the 911 caller? Would he have been such a tough -guy in pursing this kid if the really thought the kid had a gun?

Spidey - you keep saying Martin attacked Zimmerman - how can you even think that at this point given what we know, for a fact? Zimmerman himself says the kid ran from him - that takes the whole 'it was self defense' issue completely off the table. While it does appear there was a physical struggle at some point - it didn't happen in Zimmerman's car, which would have been the only time/place that 'self defense' would have been a justifiable situation.

He got out of his car and chased the kid. He lost sight of the kid. He continued to look for the kid - at this point he is the aggressor, not the kid. Any altercation that takes place after this, it's the kid who can claim self-defense.

Picking a fight out, and then possibly getting your ass kicked, doesn't give you the right to shoot the guy you picked a fight with.

Zimmerman is at least guilty of manslaughter, period. It's really not up for debate. Why the police didn't act on this faster is really beyond me, and I'm going to guess we see some sort of investigation into all of the officers involved.

I cant be arsed to read all 2000 odd posts in this thread but is the bolded accurate?
 

WelshBloke

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No is not. Police and evidence say T was the aggressor

Evidence that he chased him? This is the story many are imagining in their head.

But the guy did get out of his car and pursue him? And expressed worry to the police that he might get away?
 

HomerJS

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where the hell is HomerJS getting his stories? I live in S. Florida and this is on the news regularly...I hear nothing like his claims.

In recent days, other witnesses have come forward to say that the police attempted to twist their testimony to support Zimmerman's claims of self-defense or ignored them entirely, including two witnesses who joined the Martin family during a press conference on Friday.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html

But after the shooting, a source inside the police department told ABC News that a narcotics detective and not a homicide detective first approached Zimmerman. The detective pepppered Zimmerman with questions, the source said, rather than allow Zimmerman to tell his story. Questions can lead a witness, the source said.

Another officer corrected a witness after she told him that she heard the teen cry for help.

The officer told the witness, a long-time teacher, it was Zimmerman who cried for help, said the witness. ABC News has spoken to the teacher and she confirmed that the officer corrected her when she said she heard the teenager shout for help
http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborho...-probe-reveals-questionable/story?id=15907136


Also answer the question why before the tapes came out did the police chief lie about Z knowing the race of T when he called. After the tapes came out it shows Z did know T's race.

Again more lying by the police and you still say their investigation can be trusted???
 

Dari

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No is not. Police and evidence say T was the aggressor

Evidence that he chased him? This is the story many are imagining in their head.

Not true at all, racist. Also, the police have a serious problem of their own. They are known liars in this case and will be investigated.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Not true at all, racist. Also, the police have a serious problem of their own. They are known liars in this case and will be investigated.

When these 3rd party investigations find that the Sanford Police department is not guilty of any wrong doings and performed their investigation per the laws of Florida are you going to post an apology in this thread?
 

DrewSG3

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/17/trayvon-martin-killing-yo_n_1355795.html


http://abcnews.go.com/US/neighborho...-probe-reveals-questionable/story?id=15907136


Also answer the question why before the tapes came out did the police chief lie about Z knowing the race of T when he called. After the tapes came out it shows Z did know T's race.

Again more lying by the police and you still say their investigation can be trusted???

Apparently words of a murderer that had problems with black people are held higher than the witnesses themselves.
 

spidey07

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Zimmerman didn't even retain an attorney. While stupid, it just goes to show how innocent he is. He's been cooperating with police, WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY present.

And remember how I went on and on about how a neighborhood watch guy likely asked him who he was and if he lived there (as most do)? Seems zimmerman would do that as well, he was really keeping an eye out for the neighborhood - voluntarily.

The neighborhood started the watch program because of all the crime that was going on.

He has cooperated with the investigation and never retained an attorney, Lee said. His phone numbers are disconnected and no one answered the door at his home or his parents’ home. His in-laws shooed a reporter away. After death threats and an avalanche of hate mail, Lee said Zimmerman went into hiding. Local station WFTV Channel 9 reported that he showed up with a truck last week and moved out.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/...n-a-habitual.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy
 

Dari

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When these 3rd party investigations find that the Sanford Police department is not guilty of any wrong doings and performed their investigation per the laws of Florida are you going to post an apology in this thread?

And when they find that they were guilty of wrong doings will you paypal me $500?
 

Dari

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Zimmerman didn't even retain an attorney. While stupid, it just goes to show how innocent he is. He's been cooperating with police, WITHOUT AN ATTORNEY present.

And remember how I went on and on about how a neighborhood watch guy likely asked him who he was and if he lived there (as most do)? Seems zimmerman would do that as well, he was really keeping an eye out for the neighborhood - voluntarily.

The neighborhood started the watch program because of all the crime that was going on.

That's because the police are corrupt as has been proven many times in this thread.
 

spidey07

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A long debate that just went around and around. Don't waste your time reading it all, there's enough information out now to make an informed decision.

The informed decision is there is no evidence of a crime committed and it was lawful use of self defense against an aggressor. The victim reasonably feared for his life at the hands of his attacker.
 

ch33zw1z

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The informed decision is there is no evidence of a crime committed and it was lawful use of self defense against an aggressor. The victim reasonably feared for his life at the hands of his attacker.

lol...yea, he totally ghetto stomped him. you're 100% right in your own mind. it's ok, we understand.
 

ch33zw1z

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Sorry ch33zw1z but I have to disagree with you here. We don't have the sworn statements from the witnesses or physical (forensic and ballistic) evidence. Without this vital data no one can't make an informed decision on what transpired.

no need to be sorry.

I've heard enough, and the 911 tapes cleared it up. Zimmerman was in no immediate danger, but chose to pursue a potential suspect. I don't care what race, age, or gender the suspect was...Zimmerman's actions alone brought about the confrontation. At that point, the suspect had the right to fight for their life, not knowing who Zimmerman was. He isn't a LEO, he has no right to pursue and confront a suspect.

I don't know if he'll get a charged or a trial, I do not believe he was anything other than paranoid and well intentioned until I hear otherwise.. He still took an innocent kids life.