Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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WHAMPOM

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I'm going to post the law one more time with the areas highlighted that allow Mr Zimmerman to claim self defense even if he initiated the conflict. If he's on the bottom and can't free himself from being struck can use force up to and including deadly force. A punch to the windpipe or temple can result in death.

Here's other sections of the law.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0776.032.html


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0776.012.html



Again unless the Police department and prosecutor's office refute Mr Zimmerman's claim to self-defense he has immunity to criminal prosecution and civil actions. This immunity also prevents arresting and detaining him.

RIGHT! An armed, hundred pound heavier, former bouncer, four year law enforcement(bragging up something he got from a diploma mill?) trained cop-wanna-be in fear for his life and calling for help just before the shooting is so believable.
 

Capt Caveman

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Nope, just the facts. Unlike some in here I leave my emotions, bias, and prejudice out of the situation.

Nope. Just your interpretation. The same thing with the laws that you're using to back your interpretation. Hopefully, other authorities will have the opportunity to review the case. B/c we already know that the Sanford Police have lied about the case.
 
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alkemyst

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Win the internet? LoL, you continue to crack me up.

Then move to Palm Beach? I don't see it in my immediate area anymore, because I was smart enough to move the fuck out of the area I lived in.

Even if I or you won a 50 million dollar lottery, we couldn't move to the Palm Beach Island unless we were renting little places.

Most of my issues don't happen where I have lived. I am also in the process of moving as my neighborhood now is going to hell fast with Section 8 and the like being allowed.

Like I am saying though, I don't think you understand the issues at play down here yet want to try to be a qualified individual on it.

S. Florida has problems, and this is the crux of our liberal gun laws. The Police can't always be there to save us.
 

alkemyst

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RIGHT! An armed, hundred pound heavier, former bouncer, four year law enforcement(bragging up something he got from a diploma mill?) trained cop-wanna-be in fear for his life and calling for help just before the shooting is so believable.

Versus a high school footballer.

High school football in S. Florida is serious business.

I was about 5'10" 175lbs as a freshman...no not fat, single digit bodyfat. They put me straight into varsity. I trained 3 months, six hours+ a day...dying at the end; only to have an Achilles tendon give way my first game day, get me blacklisted from all sports immediately...I got healed up but the re-entry process was too hard (mandatory 2 years off), so I focused my time into martial arts.

I worked security part time once I turned 18 in problematic crowds. I'd never have entered that foray, but while out with some co-workers at a part time job I stopped a big fight. It was a company function that mixed with non-company people. I handled it well and they offered me another job after hours. I was making good money for that age in an office, it doubled my hourly rate.
 

rchiu

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I'm going to post the law one more time with the areas highlighted that allow Mr Zimmerman to claim self defense even if he initiated the conflict. If he's on the bottom and can't free himself from being struck can use force up to and including deadly force. A punch to the windpipe or temple can result in death.

Here's other sections of the law.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0776.032.html


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/.../0776.012.html



Again unless the Police department and prosecutor's office refute Mr Zimmerman's claim to self-defense he has immunity to criminal prosecution and civil actions. This immunity also prevents arresting and detaining him.

read your own freaking post. The phrase imminent danger and great bodily harm is repeated over and over. Care to explain how 17 year old l00lb lighter than Zimmerman armed with candies and ice tea present imminent danger and can cause great bodily harm to Zimmerman? When Zimmerman is the one with gun?

Zimmerman is the one who killed a boy going back to his own home, with only candy in his pocket. With absolutely no motive to be the aggressor, with absolutely no physical attribute, have no weapon or in anyway to present an imminent danger and could cause great bodily harm to Zimmerman. You don't think the burden of proof is on him to justify his so called self-defense when anyone with some reason can see his force is not proportional to the threat present?
 
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Capt Caveman

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Versus a high school footballer.

High school football in S. Florida is serious business.

I was about 5'10" 175lbs as a freshman...no not fat, single digit bodyfat. They put me straight into varsity. I trained 3 months, six hours+ a day...dying at the end; only to have an Achilles tendon give way my first game day, get me blacklisted from all sports immediately...I got healed up but the re-entry process was too hard (mandatory 2 years off), so I focused my time into martial arts.

I worked security part time once I turned 18 in problematic crowds. I'd never have entered that foray, but while out with some co-workers at a part time job I stopped a big fight. It was a company function that mixed with non-company people. I handled it well and they offered me another job after hours. I was making good money for that age in an office, it doubled my hourly rate.

He did not play high school football. More like pop warner. And obviously wasn't physical enough to play high school or didn't care to.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...120317_1_shooting-death-english-teacher-uncle

Trayvon — who was known as "Tray" or "Slimm" — played youth football during his early teens and helped his father coach Little League baseball, said Fulton, whose sister, Sybrina Fulton, is Trayvon's mother.

Oh, and mandatory 2 years off? I tore my achilles tendon playing basketball, after surgery, two months of healing followed by six months of rehab, I was back playing basketball. You must not heal quickly. And blacklisted? I injured my knee junior playing football that required surgery. I was still able to play on the HS baseball team in the spring, play American Legion baseball in the summer then go back to football in the fall.
 
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spidey07

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Wounds to Zimmerman prove he was in great danger of death or grave bodily harm

What crime was committed here?
 

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rchiu

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Wounds to Zimmerman prove he was in great danger of death or grave bodily harm

What crime was committed here?

Really? Was Zimmerman in hospital after? Did he had a concussion? Did he need medical attention?

You don't even know if Trayvon caused that wound or Zimmerman just fell. The fact is, there is no serous wound, there is no fact backing up his and your self-defense BS. There is only one fact, Trayvon Martin is dead, walking to his own house with absolutely no weapon and absolutely no physical attribute to present a threat to Zimmerman what so ever.
 

HomerJS

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Londo_Jowo

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read your own freaking post. The phrase imminent danger and great bodily harm is repeated over and over. Care to explain how 17 year old l00lb lighter than Zimmerman armed with candies and ice tea present imminent danger and can cause great bodily harm to Zimmerman? When Zimmerman is the one with gun?

Zimmerman is the one who killed a boy going back to his own home, with only candy in his pocket. With absolutely no motive to be the aggressor, with absolutely no physical attribute, have no weapon or in anyway to present an imminent danger and could cause great bodily harm to Zimmerman. You don't think the burden of proof is on him to justify his so called self-defense when anyone with some reason can see his force is not proportional to the threat present?

Yet there's no evidence to refute the claim of self defense. The evidence has been in the hands of the state and no arrest has been made.
 

-Slacker-

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at Homer:

Oh. Well I didn't know that.

Spidey, check your junk mail folder dude. I'm sure there are at least a few advertizement emails for penile enlargement drugs. Should help with your anxiety toward black men's endowments.
 

micrometers

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I might put Zimmerman up for like involuntary manslaughter or some sort of reckless endangerment. I do not believe that he is evil or that he had malice in his heart.
 

rchiu

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I might put Zimmerman up for like involuntary manslaughter or some sort of reckless endangerment. I do not believe that he is evil or that he had malice in his heart.

Maybe not, but try explain that to the family who just lost their son, and every parents out there (me included) that fears our boy could walk down the street and some overzealous police wanna be could put his life at risk.
 

umbrella39

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I wondered how, once the tapes were released, the Z fanbois would go forward with their ignorance... now I have the answer. Only a couple of holdouts left... those with brains and integrity changed their tunes after hearing Z's call in it's entirety.
 

alkemyst

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I wondered how, once the tapes were released, the Z fanbois would go forward with their ignorance... now I have the answer. Only a couple of holdouts left... those with brains and integrity changed their tunes after hearing Z's call in it's entirety.

What are you problems with Zimmerman's call?

Please post it out in it's ENTIRETY as:

911 operator:

Zimmerman:
 

blankslate

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Maybe not, but try explain that to the family who just lost their son, and every parents out there (me included) that fears our boy could walk down the street and some overzealous police wanna be could put his life at risk.

I think this is why I find a couple of posters here beyond despicable. They cannot seem to show any empathy for the parents.

Sadly many parents do experience the tragedy of outliving sons or daughters. It could be due to disease, accident as well as natural disasters... Losing offspring to a shooting has got to be the worst except for maybe suicide.

I too believe that Mr. Zimmerman wasn't out there just waiting for the chance to kill someone. The situation just spun out of control due to his poor choices beginning with the decision to ignore the police dispatcher. Unfortunately the initial well meaning motives of Mr. Zimmerman does nothing to assuage the grief of Trayvon Martin's parents.

It's a senseless tragedy and one or two posters in this thread should just stfu and go back to masterbating over the 911 tapes.
 
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alkemyst

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Before talking about empathy we have to know more evidence.

One of the points I don't understand is why the family was only releasing photos 2 years old or more.

I too agree it was poor choices and poor reactions.

The main problem is people today simply don't talk.
 

blankslate

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Before talking about empathy we have to know more evidence.

We have enough evidence to be virtually certain that Trayvon Martin wasn't out looking for trouble. Mr. Zimmerman wasn't looking to go out and shoot someone in cold blood however he did discharge his weapon and someone died. The shooting is something that a reasonable person (imo) can say wouldn't have happened if Mr. Zimmerman followed the dispatchers advice.

We may need more evidence to figure out the likely exact sequence of sequence of events but I think the above statements can be accepted right now.
 

micrometers

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Maybe not, but try explain that to the family who just lost their son, and every parents out there (me included) that fears our boy could walk down the street and some overzealous police wanna be could put his life at risk.

Well, I still believe that he should be prosecuted. THis is 100% of my fear about increased gun ownership. This is exactly what happens when more people have guns.
 

rchiu

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So we've established there is no evidence of a crime committed then.

Good. That settles it.

What do you call a dead kid with candy in his pocket? that's a murder in every country including America and the last time I checked, that's pretty serious crime.

it's your boy Zimmerman who need to come up with evidence to back up his ridiculous claim of self defense against 17 year old with no weapon.