Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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Londo_Jowo

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That's for me to decide, of which I will do in time. I know one thing, the police department has a lot of answering to do.

The police have to apply the laws as they're written without prejudice or emotion. I will bet once the DoJ, FBI, and Florida Dept of Law Enforcement reviews the case they will come up with the same conclusion that the Sanford PD has done in this case. The law is clear and unless you have overwhelming evidence that shows it wasn't self-defense Zimmerman is immune from criminal prosecution and civil actions.

Gotta be careful with premeditated actions as they will ensure you go away for a long, long time.
 

micrometers

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I disagree. Like I said in the beginning, this asshole felt 10' tall with that gun on him. He wanted this. He wanted to put this black teenager in his place. Anyone matured enough would think hard before they confront someone with a deadly weapon. I know I would. It's no toy.

I've had conversations on here with people who say that they own guns because a crazy criminal could attempt to get them at any moment.

I tell them that they're paranoid and crazy.

They're just like Zimmerman. That's kind of what guns do I think.
 

StarTech

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Wow, nice crystal ball you have there. What if the kid ran to the car, reached in and a scuffle ensued? I don't think that's very likely, but I don't know because I wasn't there. That's why there such a thing as a *gasp* investigation.

What about these crystal ball viewings.. had the guy in the car not followed the kid, then the kid would be alive.. and.. had the kid been white, the kid would be alive.
 

Dari

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Actually its more likely that Spidey was on the wrong side of a cuckold and the other guy was black, then Z's claim of self-defense.

It would explain a lot.

lol. Maybe. But spidey07 has claimed that he has a large penis (what else do you expect from an attention whore?). He once wrote that when he's tired of this forum he will leave with a picture of his penis. I believe he said it out of frustration because black people are always assumed to have a large penis or something.
 

Fern

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It's tragic, stupidity on both sides,

Yes.

Bad judgement/decisions on both sides.

And not to defend Zimmerman, but it occurred to me days ago that had Mr. Martin chosen to simply run no way that Zimmerman could have caught him or even kept up. The guy's just way too overweight. Just run home young man.

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Since I can't hear audio I'm hoping someone can explain where we are with this now, or post a link to an article about the 911 tapes etc.

Fern
 

Londo_Jowo

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No, the lesson to be learned is that any of us could end up like Zimmerman. Guilty of an innocent person's murder.

Especially the 2nd amendment gun rights people.

The lesson is:

No neighborhood watch should be carrying a weapon.

Upon contacting the police, remain in your vehicle until they arrive.

Florida needs to review their Castle Doctrine/"Stand your ground" laws and correct the wording to not protect someone who has provoked the need for force.
 

Dari

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The police have to apply the laws as they're written without prejudice or emotion. I will bet once the DoJ, FBI, and Florida Dept of Law Enforcement reviews the case they will come up with the same conclusion that the Sanford PD has done in this case. The law is clear and unless you have overwhelming evidence that shows it wasn't self-defense Zimmerman is immune from criminal prosecution and civil actions.

Gotta be careful with premeditated actions as they will ensure you go away for a long, long time.

Don't worry about me. As for the PD, as CptCaveman mentioned, they put out the tapes on Friday night. And they lied about what was on the tapes. When the state and federal government investigates these animals, they will get what's coming to them.
 

micrometers

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The lesson is:

No neighborhood watch should be carrying a weapon.

Upon contacting the police, remain in your vehicle until they arrive.

Florida needs to review their Castle Doctrine/"Stand your ground" laws and correct the wording to not protect someone who has provoked the need for force.

Okay. Explain this to the "let's take guns to starbucks and if that bothers other people well then they're a bunch of pussies" crowd. Those people certainly populate this forum.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Don't worry about me. As for the PD, as CptCaveman mentioned, they put out the tapes on Friday night. And they lied about what was on the tapes. When the state and federal government investigates these animals, they will get what's coming to them.

The tapes show nothing that proves it wasn't self-defense. The police still have the physical evidence and sworn testimony. I guarantee that the DA's office would love to have something to charge Zimmerman with in the case as it would get the media and hot heads like you off their ass. However, it appears they don't.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Okay. Explain this to the "let's take guns to starbucks and if that bothers other people well then they're a bunch of pussies" crowd. Those people certainly populate this forum.

I wish I could but it would fall upon deaf ears. I have people who don't understand why I don't pack all the time due to the fact I have a CCW license.

I always tell them it's because I may get the urge to shoot some asshole that cuts me off on the way to and from work. This happens as much as 10-15 times a week.
 

alkemyst

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You are describing a problem that is not isolated to your area, and has been going on for a long time. My "LoL, are you serious" was directed at your apparent generalization of individuals particular choice of style.

i am not generalizing here. I am posting specifically about most of my area.

When I am on Palm Beach, I don't see this crap.

Perhaps you win the internet though?
 

alkemyst

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Don't worry about me. As for the PD, as CptCaveman mentioned, they put out the tapes on Friday night. And they lied about what was on the tapes. When the state and federal government investigates these animals, they will get what's coming to them.

they didn't lie WTF are you talking about?

The tapes are pretty clear how they described it.
 

spidey07

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Don't worry about me. As for the PD, as CptCaveman mentioned, they put out the tapes on Friday night. And they lied about what was on the tapes. When the state and federal government investigates these animals, they will get what's coming to them.

Animals? Really? You're calling Hispanics animals?
 
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alkemyst

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Wow. You're another Zimmerman. First, you're wrong and Zimmerman was able to identify that he was black. The kid ran away. So, if you thought he was packing, you would still chase after him like Zimmerman b/c you can't let another one of these axxholes get away.

Everything he said, you have recited in your own experiences. Hope you don't kill an innocent kid also.

no, at that point I would know he wasn't packing because only a dumbass fakes he has a gun.

I went after a car break in just this week. Got to point them out even.
 

alkemyst

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Good shoot

No duty to retreat

Ghetto Stump

Walking like a gangster

N****r

Yay me!


The racists came hard into this thread and let it all hang out. They are a disgrace to their communities.

And here you are leading the opposite side.

Why do you hate white people?
 

Capt Caveman

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they didn't lie WTF are you talking about?

The tapes are pretty clear how they described it.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/16/2697604/trayvon-martins-parents-criss.html

In an interview this week with the Miami Herald, Police Chief Bill Lee said the 911 calls would prove the incident was not a case of racial profiling, because when asked whether the suspect was white or black, Zimmerman did not know. However the recording clearly shows that when asked, Zimmerman said, “He looks black.” And then a few moments later, “He’s a black male.”
 

spidey07

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Capt Caveman

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And just wtf does that have to do with anything?

Have you ever called a suspicios person or 911? The first things they ask are race/height/what clothing

Stop being racist. Previous post suggested z was all pumped up ready to kill a man.

Now the tapes are public that isn't so. Let your racial hatred stew inside you. Racist.

The only racist is yourself. All I did was show that the Police lied but that obviously that went right over your head since you decided to ignore the post that I was responding to. The Police that you are protecting. The one that has already been caught in the past for corruption. Keep defending the corrupt police.
 

NeoV

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Spidey - the self defense argument, to me, is out the window once that kid ran - which Zimmerman clearly says in his 911 call - the kid ran from him - at that point Zimmerman was no longer in any danger.

Spidey - you really can't see that Z was in fact all pumped about about playing neighborhood ninja? Why did he get out of his car, why did he pursue the kid, why did he say 'they always get away' - he was clearly enjoying his moment. Maybe he wasn't all pumped up to kill someone, but he sure as hell was caught up in the moment.

Alky - the kid had skittles, a drink, and I believe a music/mp3 player of somekind - if his hand was 'in his waistband', it was likely for one of those things - also, when Zimmerman pointed out that the kid had something in his waistband - he wasn't saying it like the kid was motioning anything towards him, just that he was walking and there was something in his pants.

If Zimmerman really thought the kid had a gun - would he have chased after him?
 

Phokus

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According to new stories coming out, Zimmerman's father says that he and his son are Hispanic so they cant be racists. He emphasizes that they are Hispanics...

The funny thing is, "Hispanic" isn't a race.. there are white, black, and even Asian hispanics (a lot in Brazil).

It's disgusting how much the police lied about the incident. I hope the police chief is fired.

Yet another thread where Spidey is revealed to be a bigot/racist, what a surprise.

"No muslims, no athiests, no gays" - Spidey07 (he wanted to add 'no blacks' too, but he would have been banned)
 

Phokus

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Couldn't imagine the taste in the mouth of those who kept defending Zimmerman. Way to show your character.

Spidey and his ilk don't have any character. The only thing he values is a) money and b) supporting his own race/sexual orientation/religion above all others.