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I don't have any doubt the kid pretended to go for a 'gun' in his waistband. That's the move all the little kids here do when they know you see them doing shit.
Wow, you need help...
I don't have any doubt the kid pretended to go for a 'gun' in his waistband. That's the move all the little kids here do when they know you see them doing shit.
The NRA is a big reason why Zimmerman has not been arrested, since they likely lobbied for and even wrote the laws extending castle doctrine and granting prosecutorial immunity to people who claim self-defense.
Yes, I do blame the NRA for Zimmerman not being arrested, and for the general direction in which they have influenced gun legislation in this country.
I dunno.
I am a gun owner but am ambivalent about the less restrictive concealed-carry laws that have become de rigeur in recent years, and this case is a good illustration of the reason why. Zimmerman seems like a well-meaning but paranoid guy. He was, in my view, overzealous, but seems to have been sincerely seeking to protect his community. He was obviously told by the police dispatcher that he didn't need to personally pursue Trayvon Martin, but he chose to. I can't help but think that if he hadn't been armed, he would have left this to the police, since it appears he is hardly a master of hand-to-hand combat. If he had just stayed in his car, Trayvon Martin would still be alive.
In general I have no problem with law-abiding people having guns, but this case illustrates what can flow from that - a relatively innocuous situation can turn deadly.
Dunno if you guys saw Young Turks on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wj9YJw8whI&
Sounds like the cops are fucking crooked and should be fired.
there was? you got a link to that?
IF true it is easy to see by how many shells and bullet holes in other houses.
I posted this last night but it appears the 911 call has been removed.
Trayvon Martin shooting: Screams, shots heard on 911 call
Anybody have another link with the 911 call? I'm guessing the call may have been removed b/c you do hear the slaying of the kid.
This is the clip I posted about, good info.
No one has commented on the reporter's racist behavior I mentioned from it.
I posted this last night but it appears the 911 call has been removed.
Trayvon Martin shooting: Screams, shots heard on 911 call
Anybody have another link with the 911 call? I'm guessing the call may have been removed b/c you do hear the slaying of the kid.
Here is an article about the FL law from the time it was enacted. It references the NRA's involvement but doesn't talk about it in detail. http://writ.news.findlaw.com/sebok/20050502.html
Here is a 2010 article that details the NRA's involvement in the law, and the fact that it had led to an increase in legally justifiable homicides in the intervening five years. http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1128317.ece
I dunno.
I am a gun owner but am ambivalent about the less restrictive concealed-carry laws that have become de rigeur in recent years, and this case is a good illustration of the reason why. Zimmerman seems like a well-meaning but paranoid guy. He was, in my view, overzealous, but seems to have been sincerely seeking to protect his community. He was obviously told by the police dispatcher that he didn't need to personally pursue Trayvon Martin, but he chose to. I can't help but think that if he hadn't been armed, he would have left this to the police, since it appears he is hardly a master of hand-to-hand combat. If he had just stayed in his car, Trayvon Martin would still be alive.
In general I have no problem with law-abiding people having guns, but this case illustrates what can flow from that - a relatively innocuous situation can turn deadly.
yeah i read about the reporter's response. i would love to find it to see if if its real or just BS. seems a little far fetched to me but hell anything is possible.
It seems to me that the way the laws are written in Florida the SPD's hands may very well have been tied. Unfortunately, the apparent lack of diligence in investigating Mr. Zimmerman's background and the assertions by some witnesses that they didn't follow up the initial interviews with any sense of urgency has raised questions about SPD's objectivity in their handling of this case.
I really hope that this law is looked at and repealed because it looks to me that if not for this lax standard regarding self-defense that Mr. Zimmerman would have been arrested and charged with some level of negligent manslaughter by now.
According to new stories coming out, Zimmerman's father says that he and his son are Hispanic so they cant be racists. He emphasizes that they are Hispanics...I guess in his world only White-Protestant males with a background coming from North West Europe can be the only racists on Earth ?
http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120317/US.Neighborhood.Watch.Death/
"Zimmerman had called police to report a suspicious person walking through the gated community. He has said he shot the teen in self-defense. Zimmerman's father said in a letter to the Orlando Sentinel that his son, who is Hispanic, has been cruelly and unfairly portrayed in the media as a racist."
Also do Hispanics have a basic education in history ? It seems like most Hispanics dont realize that Hispanic is not a race but a cultural group, in FL there are all types of Hispanics. If Zimmerman could pass as a White guy [Spanish background or not] then he is most likely is just a White guy but with a Spanish background. The Spaniards who brought slaves to the Carribean and murdered Mexican Indians were White guys afterall to...But from Spain [guess this doesn't help my point in that any race can be racist but still].
Agree, had Z been unarmed I also don't believe he would have pursued Trayvon. From all I can see the only reason Z in not in jail is due to poorly written law.
I genuinely believe that Zimmerman is not a racist, but rather an idiot.
The problem IMO is that he was an idiot with a gun. Thanks to the general wave of pro-gun legislation driven by gun nuts.
I genuinely believe that Zimmerman is not a racist, but rather an idiot.
The problem IMO is that he was an idiot with a gun. Thanks to the general wave of pro-gun legislation driven by gun nuts.
Looking at his photo is clear he is in fact Hispanic and would not pass and a None Hispanic White, but that is besides the point. Anyone can be racist, racism isn't limited to one group of people or one race. The idea that only whites can be racist is ridiculous.
Just watch the video. I linked a short clip on page 80.
