Londo_Jowo
Lifer
Z gets him again on the ground standing over him and shoots him. (all of this by witness's)
Proof of this being the case. It wasn't on the 911 tapes nor has it been released by the police
Z gets him again on the ground standing over him and shoots him. (all of this by witness's)
This was also after the shot, so he could been when Z was getting up. Based on the calls it was very dark as most didn't realize what had happened until flashlights were at the scene. There's far to many think that are still no available. Forensics and ballistic reports will tell much, bullet entry (possible exit) wounds and trajectory.
You can keep yours and we will keep ours.
Proof of this being the case. It wasn't on the 911 tapes nor has it been released by the police
True. I wish I could say I had confidence in the local authorities. I think it would be a good idea to have the state troopers or FBI take over this investigation given that it appears to have been mishandled and I gather the Sanford police have been accused of bad practices in the past. No matter what the outcome, I think it will be a miscarriage of justice if this case is investigated in an incompetent fashion and there is never confidence regarding the outcome as a result.
True. I wish I could say I had confidence in the local authorities. I think it would be a good idea to have the state troopers or FBI take over this investigation given that it appears to have been mishandled and I gather the Sanford police have been accused of bad practices in the past. No matter what the outcome, I think it will be a miscarriage of justice if this case is investigated in an incompetent fashion and there is never confidence regarding the outcome as a result.
As far as I know both the DoJ, Fla Dept of Law Enforcement, and US AG dept will be reviewing the case. I think the Congresswoman, Mayor, and Police Chief has invited them to review the case.
I will bet your law will change within the next year.
you should NEVER be able to start a fight and when you get your ass kicked kill the person and claim self defense. Thats just fucked up.
And that's what the law says. wich is why i said odds are he will get away with murdering this kid.
Dunno - Florida has among the most corrupt and incompetent governance in the United States. There will certainly be lobbying by civil rights groups and police officers to change the law (cops almost never like laws like this), but people like the NRA will fight to keep it in place as-is.
As has been discussed before in this thread, I think this law is really dangerous because it creates an incentive for anyone involved in any kind of physical fight to end it by killing his opponent, since a death actually decreases the likelihood of charges being brought (though obviously it increases the risk of a severe sentence if you are convicted).
As far as I know both the DoJ, Fla Dept of Law Enforcement, and US AG dept will be reviewing the case. I think the Congresswoman, Mayor, and Police Chief has invited them to review the case.
Because they always get away? Nuts....
Dunno - Florida has among the most corrupt and incompetent governance in the United States. There will certainly be lobbying by civil rights groups and police officers to change the law (cops almost never like laws like this), but people like the NRA will fight to keep it in place as-is.
As has been discussed before in this thread, I think this law is really dangerous because it creates an incentive for anyone involved in any kind of physical fight to end it by killing his opponent, since a death actually decreases the likelihood of charges being brought (though obviously it increases the risk of a severe sentence if you are convicted).
One thing that strikes me about Mr. Zimmerman's initial call to the police is that he is relatively calm and is clearly, from his perspective, acting in good faith to protect his community. In retrospect he seems completely misguided and rather overzealous (I don't think there's any reason to believe, in hindsight, that Trayvon Martin was on drugs or casing the neighborhood to commit crimes), but he seems well-meaning. Obviously there is no shortage of cop wannabes out there acting this way. I just wish he hadn't been armed.
Yes. Although, to be fair I'm not sure if legislators quite understood how
1) extending castle law to where you stand in public
and
2) giving prosecutorial immunity to someone who shoots in self-defense
would synergies in such a sickening way.
My goodness I despise the NRA.
NRA has this kid's blood on their hands.
No. the NRA has nothing to do with this. This is 100% Z'a fault.
sadly i figured some anti-gun nuts would use this just as Spidey and akly are using it for pro-gun (and anti black) stance.
This is what I summize happened that night.
After the phone call Zimmerman chases Trayvon, but Trayvon gets away. But Trayvon who doesn't live there is now lost. Zimmerman mad he got away continues to search for him. Couple minutes goes by and then he spots him and confronts him. Zimmerman now confronts him, likely in a hostile manner because the kid ran away. A fight breaks out and again the kid starts to try and run. Tussling ensues, they separate. Its raining, the kid loses his balance and now he sees the gun.
He starts begging and pleading with Zimmerman coming closer. Zimmerman shoots him in the chest, the kid falls, rolls on to his stomach, then tries to pull himself up, but collaspes dead. Zimmerman then stands over top the kid, probably in shock himself. Which would explain his causal reply to the woman call the police, because he himself was in shock probably.
No. the NRA has nothing to do with this. This is 100% Z'a fault.
sadly i figured some anti-gun nuts would use this just as Spidey and akly are using it for pro-gun (and anti black) stance.
The NRA is a big reason why Zimmerman has not been arrested, since they likely lobbied for and even wrote the laws extending castle doctrine and granting prosecutorial immunity to people who claim self-defense.
Yes, I do blame the NRA for Zimmerman not being arrested, and for the general direction in which they have influenced gun legislation in this country.
There were two shots and there was crying for help before the first shot and before the second shot.
No. the NRA has nothing to do with this. This is 100% Z'a fault.
sadly i figured some anti-gun nuts would use this just as Spidey and akly are using it for pro-gun (and anti black) stance.
