Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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In this interview that someone already posted, the woman states her neighbor a few doors down called the police about a fight. Where he shot the kid in her back yard at that time she heard no fighting going on at the time. And he was standing over the kid with the kid laying facedown with his arms stretched out.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/interview-with-witness-of-sanford-teen-shooting/vGYPW/

I just don't know how anyone can justify this shooting.
 
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alkemyst

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That's because he is offering himself up as a) the most opinionated person here; b) an expert on the killing moves "preferred by African Americans"; c) a lawyer, despite not even being qualified to play one on TV; d) an expert on facts he has no knowledge of; and e) the most vocal advocate for the "right" to chase down an unassuming teenager, instigate a losing physical conflict with him, then kill him with impunity.

I gather you are used to acting like a jackass on these forums, then being flamed - that seems to be your sad, chosen lot in life - but that doesn't mean that is how these forums are meant to operate.

tsk tsk as a lawyer you'd know personal attacks just make you look like an idiot.

I avoid them, unless attacked. So why practice law in Minnesota when you want an M3?

My first serious g/f went there when I was 18...Dawson no less. She went to live with her dad and got a bartender job. they'd line up in snowstorms.

I really don't think even the best lawyer in Minnesota means much.
 

HomerJS

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In this interview that someone already posted, the woman states her neighbor a few doors down called the police about a fight. Where he shot the kid in her back yard at that time she heard no fighting going on at the time. And he was standing over the kid with the kid laying facedown with his arms stretched out.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/interview-with-witness-of-sanford-teen-shooting/vGYPW/

I just don't know how anyone can justify this shooting.

I'm sure spidey will because Z getting out of his car armed to go after T makes T the agressor.
 

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I'm sure spidey will because Z getting out of his car armed to go after T makes T the agressor.

All this time I thought he shot the kid where they engaged in the fist fight. He shot him "after". Thats okay, I have no doubt :), someone's going to step in to get to the bottom of this one.
 

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tsk tsk as a lawyer you'd know personal attacks just make you look like an idiot.

I avoid them, unless attacked. So why practice law in Minnesota when you want an M3?

My first serious g/f went there when I was 18...Dawson no less. She went to live with her dad and got a bartender job. they'd line up in snowstorms.

I really don't think even the best lawyer in Minnesota means much.

You out of all people got a lot of nerve to talk about someone with personal attacks.
 

spidey07

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I'm sure spidey will because Z getting out of his car armed to go after T makes T the agressor.

Can you not read? The police and the DA have evidence and eye witness testimony that T was the aggressor.

Do you know what CONCEALED carry is? It's concealed, meant to be hidden and used only if needed.
 

alkemyst

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You out of all people got a lot of nerve to talk about someone with personal attacks.

i am attacked personally daily here with nothing to do with the thread.

What are my personal attacks other than PROVING someone wrong each time?
 

spidey07

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In this interview that someone already posted, the woman states her neighbor a few doors down called the police about a fight. Where he shot the kid in her back yard at that time she heard no fighting going on at the time. And he was standing over the kid with the kid laying facedown with his arms stretched out.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/interview-with-witness-of-sanford-teen-shooting/vGYPW/

I just don't know how anyone can justify this shooting.

Kid was on top of him, Z shot in self defense to get him off, kid is now dead.

A natural action to saving your life would be to get on your feet after being helpless. You don't know how it can be justified because you're racist and cannot imagine a black guy doing any wrong.

All evidence and eye witness reports are lawful use of self defense. T being the aggressor.
 

alkemyst

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In this interview that someone already posted, the woman states her neighbor a few doors down called the police about a fight. Where he shot the kid in her back yard at that time she heard no fighting going on at the time. And he was standing over the kid with the kid laying facedown with his arms stretched out.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/interview-with-witness-of-sanford-teen-shooting/vGYPW/

I just don't know how anyone can justify this shooting.

that was a chick that wouldn't talk to police at first. Now that she knows it's her ticket to fame she will get her makeup on and talk.

yeah even mention details that oddily dont match the situation for the win...

then explain it later.

there was definitely no fight.

maybe there was a fight, buy we didnt hear it.

there was a fight somewhere, but...
 

HomerJS

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Here is a story with one of the 911 calls. The family and attorney have listened to at least this one. Few items of note

Natalie Jackson, another attorney, said Zimmerman fired a warning shot then a kill shot.
"You hear a shot, a clear shot, then you hear a 17-year-old boy begging for his life," Jackson said. "Then you hear a second shot."
It was the first time that anyone said two shots were fired that night.

Call confirms there was a fight. Z fired a warning shot. T starts begging/screaming for his life. Z then fires a kill shot. Screaming stops.

Once Z fired the warning shot and T started screaming for his life I doubt the fight was continuing at that point. Z then killed T. At that moment isn't the self defense claim lost??

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...all-20120316_1_warning-shot-tapes-dispatchers
 

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Kid was on top of him, Z shot in self defense to get him off, kid is now dead.

A natural action to saving your life would be to get on your feet after being helpless. You don't know how it can be justified because you're racist and cannot imagine a black guy doing any wrong.

All evidence and eye witness reports are lawful use of self defense. T being the aggressor.


Unfortunately the EYE WITNESESS said the fight took place a few doors down and the shooting took place after the fight. Look at the video, dumbass. And the other video of the newscast that tracked the whole thing showed it took place far away from the road.

But its all good. If you are right then Eric Holder won't get involved. But if your wrong, lol, :).
 

HomerJS

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Stranger on your property = The right to shoot

Not quite but even though T was walking down street/sidewalk. Even if you use the argument the entire gated community is pp which it isn't he was a guest of a resident so he had the absolute right to be there.
 

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that was a chick that wouldn't talk to police at first. Now that she knows it's her ticket to fame she will get her makeup on and talk.

yeah even mention details that oddily dont match the situation for the win...

then explain it later.

there was definitely no fight.

maybe there was a fight, buy we didnt hear it.

there was a fight somewhere, but...

Yea everybody wants to make shit up for no reason. What does this woman gain, nothing. :rolleyes: man stfu..................
 

spidey07

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Unfortunately the EYE WITNESESS said the fight took place a few doors down and the shooting took place after the fight. Look at the video, dumbass. And the other video of the newscast that tracked the whole thing showed it took place far away from the road.

But its all good. If you are right then Eric Holder won't get involved. But if your wrong, lol, :).

Oh please let eric holder get involved...PLEASE!

PLEASE let obama and his administration get involved...PLEASE let that happen. In florida, where a hispanic saved his life. PLEASE?
 

spidey07

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Here is a story with one of the 911 calls. The family and attorney have listened to at least this one. Few items of note



Call confirms there was a fight. Z fired a warning shot. T starts begging/screaming for his life. Z then fires a kill shot. Screaming stops.

Once Z fired the warning shot and T started screaming for his life I doubt the fight was continuing at that point. Z then killed T. At that moment isn't the self defense claim lost??

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...all-20120316_1_warning-shot-tapes-dispatchers

Two shots, center mass.

I assume there are shell casings/bullets to account for this testimony?

If Z did fire a warning shot then that's enough probable cause to arrest him. No evidence to arrest him means this conjecture is wrong.
 
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HomerJS

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Two shots, center mass.

I assume there are shell casings/bullets to account for this testimony?

If Z did fire a warning shot then that's enough probable cause to arrest him. No evidence to arrest him means this conjecture is wrong.

Problem is noone actually saw it yet so Z is the only eye-witness testimony to date. But if you listen to the tape there is a shot. You hear someone screaming for their life (assuming its T). You hear a second shot and the screaming stops.

After the first shot is fired and T is screaming for his life the threat from T is mitigated.
 

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Oh please let eric holder get involved...PLEASE!

PLEASE let obama and his administration get involved...PLEASE let that happen. In florida, where a hispanic saved his life. PLEASE?

LOL

Obama will win Florida again with no problems. And sadly in your small minded self, you actually think hispanics will back a man who killed a 17 year old kid. You nothing about hispanics, guy. We now know the woman was telling the truth when she said she knew it was the kid who was crying out.
 

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Here is a story with one of the 911 calls. The family and attorney have listened to at least this one. Few items of note



Call confirms there was a fight. Z fired a warning shot. T starts begging/screaming for his life. Z then fires a kill shot. Screaming stops.

Once Z fired the warning shot and T started screaming for his life I doubt the fight was continuing at that point. Z then killed T. At that moment isn't the self defense claim lost??

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...all-20120316_1_warning-shot-tapes-dispatchers

According to the investigator Trayvon's father said that voice on the 911 tape calling for help was not Trayvon.
 

HomerJS

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According to the investigator Trayvon's father said that voice on the 911 tape calling for help was not Trayvon.

I haven't seen that. Link and quote please. That is coming from an investigator not Trayvon's father himself so I have serious doubts

From 911 call article. Since this is from the Martin family lawyer the two statements cancel each other until we hear from the father himself
What Trayvon's parents heard on the recordings, Crump said, was their son crying for help. But Zimmerman shot him in cold blood, the attorney said.
 
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Londo_Jowo

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I haven't seen that. Link and quote please. That is coming from an investigator not Trayvon's father himself so I have serious doubts

From 911 call article. Since this is from the Martin family lawyer the two statements cancel each other until we hear from the father himself

Already posted hours ago. Maybe you spend more time reading posts in the thread before posting stories that have already been debunked.
 

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The thing is, I have a hard time believing that Trayvon started the fight. For one thing...he was listening to music.

For another thing, he wasn't just going for a walk. I can imagine that if he were going for a walk that afternoon that it might get to him. That is because he probably has time to think about things and is more aware of what is going on. But in this instance he was making a quick run to the corner store.

This is halftime of a basketball game after all.

The only pro-Zimmerman scenario I can think of is he gets out of the car, the kid turns around and says, "did you just call 911? what for?" and punches or shoves him, and keeps on hitting him.

But that is COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED by the chase. The fight started in one location and it ended like 100 yards away, and in a direction closer to the teenager's family.

If Trayvon had initiated a fight and was getting the better of Zimmerman, how in the world would it have moved that long a distance while they were trading blows?

This suggests to me that it is more likely that the boy was fleeing Zimmerman.