Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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NeoV

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in that case, isn't it Martin who was defending himself? A fat guy follows him in a car, then gets out and words are exchanged - how is Martin not defending himself here?
 

corwin

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Where in the hell are you reading this from?

HERE

“For some reason he felt that Trayvon, the way that he was walking or appeared seemed suspicious to him,” Lee said. “He called this in and at one part of this initial call [the dispatcher] recommends him not to follow Trayvon. A police officer is on the way at that point.”

Lee said that Zimmerman instead followed Martin.

“I believe that Mr. Zimmerman was trying to, by his account, find an address to give the officers and also trying to keep Trayvon in eyesight.”

Zimmerman told the police that Martin noticed that he was being followed and asked, “what’s your problem?”

That's when a physical confrontation ensued, Lee said. And moments later, Martin was shot.
 

Dari

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Zimmerman's and spidey07's whole case hinges on the teenager attacking first so they will keep repeating it as if it's the truth.
 

corwin

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So it's not from a witness but Zimmerman. No possibility of any conflict of interest there at all :rolleyes:
Well Z is a witness but yeah...it's his word so...
Zimmerman's and spidey07's whole case hinges on the teenager attacking first so they will keep repeating it as if it's the truth.
If there's no evidence to the contrary how do you know it isn't? I'm sincerely curious?
 

momeNt

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Left his vehicle. He started the fight, and finished it. If Martin was alive to give his side, he could have easily said he felt threatened when the man got out of his vehicle as well.

It's at least second degree murder. First degree if they want to make an example out of his idiot vigilantism.

You are not defending yourself when you leave your vehicle and put yourself into a physical altercation. I also highly doubt he was dragged out of his car. Which is really the only way he can go from being inside his vehicle, to outside his vehicle, and claim self defense.
 

blankslate

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Hey spidy07


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...-puts-Stand-Your-Ground-law-on-trial/(page)/2

“This is a tragedy, and to the extent the law plays a role in encouraging this type of situation to happen, it calls into question the law,” says Professor Bellin. “At the same time, it's not clear that if this happens in a jurisdiction where there isn't a Stand Your Ground law, that you necessarily get a different result.”

The shooting of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, in a gated Florida community has raised allegations of racial injustice and highlighted the burden that 'Stand Your Ground' laws impose on law enforcement officers.

Your great fear about this case may come to fruition.
 

Londo_Jowo

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Left his vehicle. He started the fight, and finished it. If Martin was alive to give his side, he could have easily said he felt threatened when the man got out of his vehicle as well.

It's at least second degree murder. First degree if they want to make an example out of his idiot vigilantism.

You are not defending yourself when you leave your vehicle and put yourself into a physical altercation. I also highly doubt he was dragged out of his car. Which is really the only way he can go from being inside his vehicle, to outside his vehicle, and claim self defense.

That's not what the evidence is showing.

Zimmerman told police that Trayvon was the aggressor. Police have found no credible evidence, Serino said, to contradict that.
"Everything we have is adding up to what he says," said Serino.
There are gaps, Capt. Bob O'Connor admitted, in what police have been able to piece together. And they have yet to review what's on Trayvon's cell phone, something the family surrendered only after police issued a subpoena.
Lee said he has no qualms about the U.S. Department of Justice getting involved. He's been in touch with that office for several days, trying to set up a meeting, he said.
Someone from the U.S. Attorney's Office is expected to be in Sanford at a meeting Tuesday, Lee said.
"If the DOJ wants to come in and look at what we've done, we are an open book," said Lee.
Lee said he is dumbstruck by critics who demand that police simply arrest Zimmerman then let a judge and jury decide whether he acted in self-defense.
"You're violating their civil rights if you do that," he said.
And Zimmerman, despite all the criticism he's faced, does have civil rights, police said.
Said Serino, "We don't arrest punish. … We have a circumstantial case. We have a case that's one-sided. We have a lot of questions to be answered. I just hope we can get those answered so we can tell the Martin family what happened that night."
 

blankslate

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You just love projecting, doesn't concern me at all. There are way too many good outcomes from the laws for them to be overturned. Too many lifes saved, like the life of zimmerman.
Sure man, you've parroted the "no duty to retreat" line way to many times for you not caring one whit about it to be believable...

Remember that Mr. Zimmerman could've saved another life as well instead of taking it... if he didn't ignore sound advice.

Maybe if this law was repealed before hand and he knew that he might've followed that advice.
 

ch33zw1z

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That's not what the evidence is showing.

Not much to go on. From your quote:

'Said Serino, "We don't arrest punish. … We have a circumstantial case. We have a case that's one-sided. We have a lot of questions to be answered. I just hope we can get those answered so we can tell the Martin family what happened that night."'
 

spidey07

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Sure man, you've parroted the "no duty to retreat" line way to many times for you not caring one whit about it to be believable...

I was simply explaining how the law works and I did so marvelously, factually and accurately. I am also absolutely right about what happened as proven by evidence and eye witness testimony.

But I'm sure the mob will continue to ignore that and keep believing the stories they have made up in their head, spoon fed by the media and fanning the flames of racial tension.
 

blankslate

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I was simply explaining how the law works and I did so marvelously, factually and accurately. I am also absolutely right about what happened as proven by evidence and eye witness testimony.

But I'm sure the mob will continue to ignore that and keep believing the stories they have made up in their head, spoon fed by the media and fanning the flames of racial tension.

Sure man, we believe you really we do.
 

momeNt

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That's not what the evidence is showing.

I'd be willing to say that the simple act of leaving your vehicle after being asked "what's your problem" is enough to let anybody know that a physical altercation is about to ensue. So from then on, it no longer is self-defense.
 

zinfamous

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Very interesting choice of words..."slain teen". Nope, they're not trying to incite mob vengeance at all. The media has been going ape shit trying to turn this into a racial thing, and it's apparent in this very thread that folks are gobbling it up.

a bit similar to you branding him a criminal on pure assumption and personal bias, no?
 

Londo_Jowo

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Not much to go on. From your quote:

'Said Serino, "We don't arrest punish. … We have a circumstantial case. We have a case that's one-sided. We have a lot of questions to be answered. I just hope we can get those answered so we can tell the Martin family what happened that night."'

Yet, this is what they will use. Unless they can prove it wasn't self-defense Zimmerman will by law be immune from criminal prosecution and civil actions.
 

airdata

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26 year old persuing criminal justice ( probably in a community college )

See, what did I just say in my previous post? Some loser who wants to be a cop. Going around racially profiling people... moonlighting as a bouncer that gets his jaw broken and so he buys a gun because obviously he can't fight.

Murder 2, case closed. Let him spend the next 10-15 years thinking about what he did wrong here.