Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

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alkemyst

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If your continued claim is all the witnesses are unreliable then the cover-up will be complete. So far I understand there are 6, I posted info on 4 and your response is you can't count them.

I guess that means we only believe Z, sad.

I am not sure what you mean, but this is on the local news here.

I believe the police at this moment. Zimmerman has not made a statement to the news at all.
 

momeNt

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The physical evidence supports it as well...you can't bias physical evidence

The bodily injury?

They didn't even examine him and compare bruises to the size of the kids fists, elbows, knees. For all we know he could have had those from before he shot the kid, which could account for the short fuse and ready to get even with at least somebody, for the asswhooping he got earlier in the day.
 

alkemyst

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the story says shots instead of a shot... people need to proofread their stories because things like this can add to the speculation about this incident.

Well human nature is also to exaggerate. I am sure many times a single gun shot is heard in a neighborhood the police get calls about automatic weapons being used even.
 

alkemyst

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The bodily injury?

They didn't even examine him and compare bruises to the size of the kids fists, elbows, knees. For all we know he could have had those from before he shot the kid, which could account for the short fuse and ready to get even with at least somebody, for the asswhooping he got earlier in the day.

He was examined. They also said the evidence supports signs of a struggle which they believe _so far_ to be started by Martin.

They have not released the evidence as the investigation is still under way.

This is the normal process.
 

corwin

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The bodily injury?

They didn't even examine him and compare bruises to the size of the kids fists, elbows, knees. For all we know he could have had those from before he shot the kid, which could account for the short fuse and ready to get even with at least somebody, for the asswhooping he got earlier in the day.
That he was actively bleeding from a head wound and his nose isn't something from earlier...and by this point it would include the physical injuries to the "child" as well...close range gun shot from below not from a distance etc.
 

blankslate

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Good grief,

maybe this was posted before and I missed it but the militia mentioned in this story is stupid...

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...ens-arrest-in-fla-shooting-of-trayvon-martin/

(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - The leader of a self-described black militia group says members will go to Sanford next week to attempt a citizen's arrest on George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch leader who admitted to fatally shooting unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin.

Najee Muhammad, a member of the New Black Liberation Militia, announced Thursday that members of the group plan to take the 28-year-old Zimmerman to federal authorities since local police haven't acted.

An attorney for slain 17-year-old's family said they disagreed with actions such as what the militia proposed.

"They want justice at the hands of authorities and nobody else," said attorney Benjamin Crump. "Everybody has a right to peacefully assemble but we certainly want to leave any kind of arrests ... to the authorities."
 

corwin

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Where am I guessing this?
By saying Trayvon was assaulted or detained or stalked etc...there's nothing that proves that happened in any way, hence you're guessing what happened once they spoke and before he fired
 

Pens1566

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The bodily injury?

They didn't even examine him and compare bruises to the size of the kids fists, elbows, knees. For all we know he could have had those from before he shot the kid, which could account for the short fuse and ready to get even with at least somebody, for the asswhooping he got earlier in the day.

Or from falling on the wet/slippery grass while chasing down a younger person that appeared to be in much better shape.
 

corwin

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Or from falling on the wet/slippery grass while chasing down a younger person that appeared to be in much better shape.
Yes he fell down and bumped his head then due to his blubber bounced completely over and bloodied his nose:rolleyes:
 

skyking

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By saying Trayvon was assaulted or detained or stalked etc...there's nothing that proves that happened in any way, hence you're guessing what happened once they spoke and before he fired
He was followed in the car, then obviously on foot. Those are more facts. I have not guessed what happened after that. Did I say he was assaulted? Stalked? Detained? Show me where.
 

momeNt

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the guy had nearly 80 calls to the police in a 6 month span or so.

I think he probably needs to be checked for mental health as well. Unless a significant portion of these were calls of actual arrests and not his suspicion, it really sounds like he's a paranoid schizophrenic with a gun.
 

blankslate

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Yes he fell down and bumped his head then due to his blubber bounced completely over and bloodied his nose

I think these two events are both inside the realm of the possible and can account for Mr. Zimmerman's injuries

  • Mr. Zimmerman catches up with Trayvon Martin throws a couple of punches that knock Mr. Zimmerman down and he hit's his head on hard earth or the sidewalk.
  • Mr. Zimmerman catches up with Trayvon Martin who throws a couple of punches knocks down Mr. Zimmerman then he decides to slam Mr. Zimmerman's head into the ground

Before or after either of the above happened

Some of the questions are...
  • Why did Trayvon Martin throw punches?
  • Did Mr. Zimmerman talk to him calmly or belligerently?
  • Did Trayvon Martin just throw punches when Mr. Zimmerman approached him?
  • Did Mr. Zimmerman throw the first punch and miss Trayvon Martin? (not outside the realm of possibility considering Trayvon played football and could have had very good reflexes)
  • Did Trayvon Martin blow Mr. Zimmerman off and try to walk away and was grabbed by Mr. Zimmerman by the clothes?
  • Was Trayvon Martin on top of Mr. Zimmerman when he was shot or was he moving away?
 

WHAMPOM

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He became a criminal when he viciously attacked zimmerman. The facts and evidence shows he attacked zimmerman. The evidence says no crime was committed.

But you will refuse to let that get in the way of your preconceived notion that you've made up in your head, despite the evidence, of what happened

Sorry but YOUR facts and evidence does not trump Zimmerman in a car stalking a kid walking home after dark, getting out of his vehicle, chasing the kid into some one's yard and shooting him to death. Please "WAAHH!" somewhere else.
 

WHAMPOM

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I think these two events are both inside the realm of the possible and can account for Mr. Zimmerman's injuries

  • Mr. Zimmerman catches up with Trayvon Martin throws a couple of punches that knock Mr. Zimmerman down and he hit's his head on hard earth or the sidewalk.
  • Mr. Zimmerman catches up with Trayvon Martin who throws a couple of punches knocks down Mr. Zimmerman then he decides to slam Mr. Zimmerman's head into the ground

Before or after either of the above happened

Some of the questions are...
  • Why did Trayvon Martin throw punches?
  • Did Mr. Zimmerman talk to him calmly or belligerently?
  • Did Trayvon Martin just throw punches when Mr. Zimmerman approached him?
  • Did Mr. Zimmerman throw the first punch and miss Trayvon Martin? (not outside the realm of possibility considering Trayvon played football and could have had very good reflexes)
  • Did Trayvon Martin blow Mr. Zimmerman off and try to walk away and was grabbed by Mr. Zimmerman by the clothes?
  • Was Trayvon Martin on top of Mr. Zimmerman when he was shot or was he moving away?

Self inflicted sounds good to me.
 

blankslate

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New UPDATE

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...in-shooting-911-call-20120316,0,5950789.story

Sanford police plan to release the 911 calls this afternoon in the controversial shooting of Trayvon Martin.

The 17-year-old boy was shot while walking through a gated neighborhood last month by a volunteer crime watch member, George Zimmerman.

Police had previously refused to release the calls.

Trayvon, who was black, was shot by Zimmerman, who is Hispanic.

The 911 calls by witnesses are under consideration
Meanwhile, a hearing in Sanford will be held at 10 a.m. Monday for the family's request to release 911 calls linked to the shooting. Police have not released those records, saying they are part of the ongoing investigation.
 

blankslate

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If they're going to release them, it will be because they support self defense.

Or it could be because they want to head of future incidents like the stupid "militia" that says they want to arrest Mr. Zimmerman...

either is possible...

this is for you spidey07 because I don't really think you care so much about the shooting as the possible results.

Spidey, do not for a second try to convince anyone that you didn't read that name and assume this irresponsible loser was white. Call him hispanic if you want, if that's how he defines himself--fine. But he is very likely of mixed origin, so why then define him as any particular race? Is Obama no more black than he is white?

How about we jsut refer to him as what he is: a parnoid and irresponsible loser that will soon become the poster child for more rabid anti-gun laws.

And I know this is what you truly fear, and this is why you are so passionate about this story. You and I both see what this means, and it scares you shitless
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After reading mindless parroting of "no duty to retreat" several times I think that this post is right... my bolding for emphasis.

Yeah, that will happen when you get 127 grains of hot lead ventilating your chest cavity for visciously attacking another.

The fact that you can be that glib when referencing dead person who was unarmed doesn't speak well about you.
 
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Londo_Jowo

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I don't think this will ever go to court.

Lee Jr., the case's lead detective, Investigator Chris Serino, and other department managers sat down for an exclusive interview with the Orlando Sentinel today.


They have worked closely with prosecutors, Serino said, and have not arrested Zimmerman because prosecutors have consistently told them they do not have enough evidence to win a manslaughter conviction.


That's because Zimmerman says he was defending himself, something he's allowed to do under Florida law.


The best account of what happened came from Zimmerman, Serino said. Other witnesses who saw or heard parts of what happened corroborate his version of events, the investigator said.


Zimmerman told police he got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot, and the 17-year-old came toward him.


The two got into a fight, and Zimmerman wound up on the ground, he told police. Trayvon hit him in the face, and Zimmerman yelled for help.
Several witnesses heard the fight, including a 13-year-old boy out walking his dog, but there have been different accounts of who was crying for help.


It was Zimmerman, Serino said. He said he is certain of that because he played a recording of that voice for Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, and the Miami man said the voice was not his son's.
 

spidey07

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So it's looking more and more like Trey attacked him. Remember, Trey said "what's your problem"? Evidence and eye witness testimony support this.

The cries for help are just icing on the cake to prove he was in great fear for his life. Being on your back being pummeled more than qualifies for justified use of deadly force in almost every state.
 
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Pens1566

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So it's looking more and more like Trey attacked him. Remember, Trey said "what's your problem"? Evidence and eye witness testimony support this.

The cries for help are just icing on the cake to prove he was in great fear for his life. Being on your back being pummeled more than qualifies for justified use of deadly force.

Where in the hell are you reading this from?
 

blankslate

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So it's looking more and more like Trey attacked him. Remember, Trey said "what's your problem"? Evidence and eye witness testimony support this.

That still doesn't allay your fears about this case.

Spidey, do not for a second try to convince anyone that you didn't read that name and assume this irresponsible loser was white. Call him hispanic if you want, if that's how he defines himself--fine. But he is very likely of mixed origin, so why then define him as any particular race? Is Obama no more black than he is white?

How about we jsut refer to him as what he is: a parnoid and irresponsible loser that will soon become the poster child for more rabid anti-gun laws.

And I know this is what you truly fear, and this is why you are so passionate about this story. You and I both see what this means, and it scares you shitless
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corwin

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Where am I guessing this?
Might have confused you with the host of others responding but you did say:
The problem is, with no witnesses that could also be the sign of an execution. He get smacked around (the wounds on his head), then knocks the victim down and shoots him. This whole thing stinks from every angle.
which is guessing...